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Job discrimination based on heritage?

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delta76
post 15.Feb.2017, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 15.Feb.2017, 07:56 PM) *
USA and Canada have a roughly one to one ratio. Sweden is 5 to one. Saying "it's the same anywhere" is denying facts.. http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...st&p=900219


I'm really tired with you trying to bash Sweden every chance you have. This is the last time I reply to you.

You are comparing orange and apple. The link you posted has nothing to do with this thread.
The point of OP was he/she was denied a job because of his/her origin - assuming that he/she has comparable skills/experiences with other applicants. I pointed out that languages/culture is another hidden factor that he/she did not consider. If he/she is superior in skills/experiences than Sweden-born competitors, enough to fill the gap of languages/culture then there should be no problem finding a job.

If the foreign born people have no comparable skills/experience with Sweden born competitors, they basically stand no chance. Sweden has taken the highest number of refugees per capita, far more than any other country in the list. Those refugees, not all, but a majority, are under-educated, with very few sellable skills, speak broken English and almost no Swedish. What do you think the chance for them to find a job?
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rex
post 10.Jul.2017, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 16.Feb.2017, 10:59 AM) *
Does anyone have access to data where the co factors of education and Swedish born status is compiled along unemployment? I would really like to convince myself of the above h ... (show full quote)


The OECD number is accurate because unemployment rates do not account for those who are studying full-time, which encompasses most refugees without a degree; most of them either have a job or are studying. The unemployment rate represents people who are actively searching for a job.

The estimates for other countries are computed in exactly the same way, so the comparison is valid. Some people don't like the conclusions because they implicate that foreign-born residents in Sweden do not have good access to the labor force, but that is a question for another time.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 10.Jul.2017, 09:51 PM
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Unemployment statistics are very misleading...everywhere...

In the US, if you cannot find full time work and accept a part time job, you are no longer unemployed...I think it should be counted as half employed...

If you cannot find a job and cease searching, you are not counted as unemployed even though others are supporting you...Not fair!!!

And what about people who are reemployed way below their previous salary income level???
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superdrive
post 10.Jul.2017, 10:08 PM
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"There are also some stores in Sweden that sell skin bleach, often in places like Afro hair stores etc. This can help give you more of a "European" look."

The guy is not from Somalia, he's slavic. He doesn't need skin bleach to look more white. WTF.
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rex
post 10.Jul.2017, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 10.Jul.2017, 10:51 PM) *
Unemployment statistics are very misleading...everywhere...In the US, if you cannot find full time work and accept a part time job, you are no longer unemployed...I think it s ... (show full quote)


Not for the sake of the comparison, the OECD number is good enough to discover potential differences between countries, just like it has.

Some might say that it's okay, that's how it's supposed to be, after all Sweden is for Swedes and all that story, however, don't forget that unemployment among immigrants is measured for people who have the right to stay in Sweden, i.e., they're not going anywhere. Therefore, such discriminatory ideologies lead to greater socio-economic differences between immigrants and natives, which opens the door to a society where you have two classes of citizens. This is a recipe for disaster especially in a society like Sweden where ten percent of the population is comprised of first and second generation immigrants.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 10.Jul.2017, 10:41 PM
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My post was to show possible differences to how unemployment statistics are achieved...nothing else, I don't have to prove anything...Some do it one way another does it differently...

Trust what you want...
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 10.Jul.2017, 10:45 PM
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"There are also some stores in Sweden that sell skin bleach, often in places like Afro hair stores etc. This can help give you more of a "European" look."

Stores sell what customers need and ask for...everywhere!!!
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rex
post 10.Jul.2017, 10:56 PM
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Joined: 3.Jul.2017

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 10.Jul.2017, 11:15 PM) *
Show me the data! All cool hypothesis to test with data. In the meantime we can speculate on what it would change compare to what we have data to rely on. Until then I wil ... (show full quote)



I think I found the data you were looking for. Just google "Employment rates by place of birth and educational attainment" It's an OECD table.

Check the attached table below.
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Svedallas
post 12.Jul.2017, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (superdrive @ 10.Jul.2017, 11:08 PM) *
"There are also some stores in Sweden that sell skin bleach, often in places like Afro hair stores etc. This can help give you more of a "European" look."T ... (show full quote)


And who was it that said Savage works for BBC?
This is the advice that was given...Yes. WTF.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 17.Jul.2017, 07:04 PM
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What purpose is served by letting people that are different than native Swedes into Sweden???

And then denying them fair treatment, or is fair treatment in the eye of the beholder???
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rex
post 17.Jul.2017, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 17.Jul.2017, 08:04 PM) *
What purpose is served by letting people that are different than native Swedes into Sweden???. And then denying them fair treatment, or is fair treatment in the eye of the beholder???


From what I've seen it mostly comes down to the argument that they would have been killed or simply lived much worse lives back at home, so whatever they're getting in Sweden is already enough for them. You've got a job because *we* gave it to you and not because you are sufficiently qualified for it. This is (mostly) fine for the parents but when the children face similar discrimination then you get riots like the last one in Stockholm.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 17.Jul.2017, 09:06 PM
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What happens when Sweden has more foreigners than jobs, do they stop them from coming to Sweden and risk being branded as racists???
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maxrax
post 18.Jul.2017, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (rex @ 17.Jul.2017, 09:58 PM) *
From what I've seen it mostly comes down to the argument that they would have been killed or simply lived much worse lives back at home, so whatever they're getting in ... (show full quote)


very good point and frankly a dangerous path for Sweden to go down. Hopefully things will change in the future.
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Svedallas
post 18.Jul.2017, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 17.Jul.2017, 11:54 PM) *
They invited every single non eu foreign worker. They didn't just showed up. You should ask, why Sweden delivered so many work permit and now wants to see those employees ... (show full quote)


How were non EU "invited"?
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Svedallas
post 18.Jul.2017, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 18.Jul.2017, 02:14 PM) *
With an "offer of employment" by the employer, backed by the union and approved by migrationsverket. None of that can be imposed by the applicant. https://www.migrat ... (show full quote)



No. You are wrong!

You were not "invited" - the job, as many jobs, is for anyone who is rightfully qualified and has the right qualifications necessary for the job.

This process is the same for many migration processes in the world, for any job to which an applicant is qualifies. Simple as that.

The same "invite" could also be the same for a job in the US, or any job in Europe.

Only because you had a bad experience, does not mean you should blame the system fully.Rules are rules for foreign work permits. It is temporary, and if they think a home resident fits, so be it. Try another country.
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