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No child benefits for swedes abroad

Universal child bene. is resident based benefit

sv100
post 28.Mar.2015, 11:51 PM
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We discussed this issue, you could find discussion here :
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...c=66261&hl=

The discussion gave some points like child benefit is RESIDENT based benefit nothing else .
Major cases will get rejection unless special conditions applied (very few )
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sv100
post 28.Mar.2015, 11:58 PM
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[quote name='LLHope' post='854322' date='27.Mar.2015, 07:28 PM']Then you have not been insured by the Swedish social insurance, simple as that! And that even counts for Swedish Citizens.

It is very clear with regards the State Pension. The Guarantee Pension will not be paid if you are outside of the EU, and the Income related pension parts will be paid wherever in the world you are (including the window-pension for your spouse/child that may be applicable after your death).

Note: It is often missed by expats (and many Swedish residents) that whist the State Pension has an income related portion, it is capped. There is no additional contribution (nor later pension) for income over 37000:-/m. So, if you earned 40.000:-/m and someone else earns 100.000:-/m, you will both get the same income related State Pension. So anyone earning >37000:-/m should make private/employer provisions for additional pension saving.

Sounds like your friends never had income in Sweden they paid pension contributions on and hence they are rejected.

It is very clear in the law:

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sv100
post 29.Mar.2015, 12:50 AM
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If child benefit is not based on residency , then once the family de-registered from Swedish population register and provided all the necessary documents ( including PN for children , address ,,etc ) then it's the family right to receive child benefit . ( Unfortunately it's not /hardly applicable , even if that is possible by 1% )
We don't know Isit law that not clear or FK problems with decisions , anyway we concluded that it's hardly possible because it's based on many factors and residency ( in Sweden ) is one of those factors unless special conditions applied in Very few cases ) .

Note :Many Swedish families have never been in Sweden at all , so it's clear that they are not registered over Swedish population register (Skatteverket ) .
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sv100
post 29.Mar.2015, 06:54 AM
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Note that , the residents are liable to taxes ( income , fees , sales , etc but income taxes alone could pay for your children benefits and it remain even more , so you indirectly pay for your children from taxes . (Even taxes are more than the children benefits that never changed /increased for many years ). That's one reason why the state / system is very smart ( connecting all benefits to residency & insurance ) , Of course you've other social benefits / assists but the point is that , taxes covers children benefits while being resident because you must be liable to taxes . ( you may get back income taxes at age of 65+ )( when become old , as pension )
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Hisingen
post 29.Mar.2015, 01:39 PM
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I see our resident barrack room lawyer - sv99
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LLHope
post 30.Mar.2015, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE (sv100 @ 28.Mar.2015, 10:51 PM) *
The discussion gave some points like child benefit is RESIDENT based benefit nothing else .
No, that is your conclusion and not anyone else's. It is a residence based universal benefit. Residence does not always have to mean physically here in Sweden. The law allows for a number of specific exceptions directly, and also provides FK with the authority to continue paying child benefit if they feel a reasonable case has been made in cases that are not directly addressed in law.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 28.Mar.2015, 10:58 PM) *
and insurance is the exceuse
In most countries it is called Social Insurance! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (sv100 @ 28.Mar.2015, 10:58 PM) *
whether they are living in Sweden or NOT , which is not possible )
Yes it is possible. Your understanding of residence seems based upon physically being in Sweden, but that is not simply true in the legal definition. There are circumstances where you are considered in law to be resident in Sweden but are physically not here. For example, Child Benefit will still be paid if:
- The child is under 18 and at school in another country, but returns to sweden during vacations.
- You are a Civil Servant posted overseas.
- You are employed by an aid agency/mission and sent abroad, you are considered resident in sweden for a maximum of 5 years, even though you are anywhere else in the world, and entitled to residence based benefits. If your husband/wife/sambo/children follow, then they also are automatically classed as still resident in Sweden (even though they do not work for the aid agency)
...there are more cases where you can be outside of Sweden physically, but still classed as resident.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 28.Mar.2015, 10:58 PM) *
The pension is already paid out of EU , ( what you said is incorrect )
Learn to read...You will see it is correct what I wrote. I said the guarantee pension is not available outside of EU, but income related pension & death benefits are. Maybe you do not understand what guarantee pension is?

QUOTE (sv100 @ 28.Mar.2015, 11:50 PM) *
We don't know Isit law that not clear or FK problems with decisions , anyway we concluded that it's hardly possible because
Who is the WE? sounds like a multi-personality disorder! You certainly do not speak for Me, I said the law is clear, so I am not part of the we, who are the others?

QUOTE (sv100 @ 29.Mar.2015, 05:54 AM) *
taxes covers children benefits while being resident because you must be liable to taxes .
You can be liable to pay taxes whether you are resident or not! The question is whether you are considered insured by Sweden social insurance or not, and you do not always have to be resident to be so.

QUOTE (sv100 @ 29.Mar.2015, 05:54 AM) *
( you may get back income taxes at age of 65+ )( when become old , as pension )
You continue to pay income tax even once a pensioner! (and probably more and more tax with Mr Welder as Prime Minister, already they want to make it cost more to employ pensioners and youths and will also increase income tax on your savings in ISK's!)
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wallace1837
post 24.Jan.2017, 09:26 AM
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Barnbidrag and not a residence based benefits only. You can be rejected if you are legally working in Sweden and legally residing in Sweden.
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=86516
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