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Posted by: Peter1234 10.Feb.2018, 01:06 PM

For ethical reasons I am avoiding any purchase of "Made in China" or "Made in PRC" already for a long time.

Why:
China is one of the most repressive dictatorships, still executes thousands of its citizens every year (=killing several citizens each day!), is leading state in human trafficking, selling robbed children as "orphans", selling unregistered girls (thanks to the child policy...) into the biggest prostitution network on this globe, is stealing intellectual property of western companies, is the by far biggest polluter on this globe, is threatening its neighbors with war and forcefully occupying their territories, etc., etc., etc...

Therefore I am sometimes buying products from US and other countries outside the EU and I had to pay import tax and VAT each time for my (few) orders in the past years!

I very surprised and astonished to learn, that mass-import of goods from China, one of the most criminal counties on earth is in contrary is not taxed! This is shocking and deeply immoral!

I would like to know more and would like to ask the question, if this can be considered as severely discriminatory and if the non-taxation of private imports from China / but taxation of private imports of USA can be considered a violation of international law and trade regulations?

In the case that my impression is right, then I am considering to bring this topic to an international court for decision.

Looking forward to your comments and suggestions.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 10.Feb.2018, 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Peter1234 @ 10.Feb.2018, 01:06 PM) *
For ethical reasons I am avoiding any purchase of "Made in China" or "Made in PRC" already for a long time.

Why:
China is one of the most repressive dictatorships, still executes thousands of its citizens every year (=killing several citizens each day!), is leading state in human trafficking, selling robbed children as "orphans", selling unregistered girls (thanks to the child policy...) into the biggest prostitution network on this globe, is stealing intellectual property of western companies, is the by far biggest polluter on this globe, is threatening its neighbors with war and forcefully occupying their territories, etc., etc., etc...

Therefore I am sometimes buying products from US and other countries outside the EU and I had to pay import tax and VAT each time for my (few) orders in the past years!

I very surprised and astonished to learn, that mass-import of goods from China, one of the most criminal counties on earth is in contrary is not taxed! This is shocking and deeply immoral!

I would like to know more and would like to ask the question, if this can be considered as severely discriminatory and if the non-taxation of private imports from China / but taxation of private imports of USA can be considered a violation of international law and trade regulations?

In the case that my impression is right, then I am considering to bring this topic to an international court for decision.

Looking forward to your comments and suggestions.


The amount of tax not paid on Chinese gods is flyshit to the tax avoided by American companies such as Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon. The Americans will also aid anyone to kill others if they need to suit themselves.

Posted by: intrepidfox 10.Feb.2018, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 10.Feb.2018, 02:27 PM) *
The amount of tax not paid on Chinese gods is flyshit to the tax avoided by American companies such as Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon. The Americans will also aid anyone to kill others if they need to suit themselves.


+1

Posted by: Mib 10.Feb.2018, 03:39 PM

Anything that I've bought or shipped from China has been imposed with import duty to Sweden. In fact, PostNord will charge a standard fee, I think it will be 125kr per package regardless of value + the Moms for customs. So the days of importing cheap stuff direct from China is effectively over in Sweden.

Posted by: intrepidfox 10.Feb.2018, 05:12 PM

QUOTE (Mib @ 10.Feb.2018, 03:39 PM) *
Anything that I've bought or shipped from China has been imposed with import duty to Sweden. In fact, PostNord will charge a standard fee, I think it will be 125kr per package regardless of value + the Moms for customs. So the days of importing cheap stuff direct from China is effectively over in Sweden.


I am wondering if that is legal. Surely it must go through the finance dept and government first, not just Postnord and the customs.

Also the 125 kr is just an admin cost. There will also be a 25% vat on top of that

Posted by: Uncle Fred 10.Feb.2018, 07:52 PM

This simply a case of an incompetent private company using the customs people to cover up their own failures.
Yes I do think what Postnord is doing is illegal.
Most people including myself buy from China, Honk Kong, Singapore and Thailand etc. not to avoid taxes but to avoid the huge overcharging of retailers in Sweden.
This action by Postnord will (it has already started) make Chinese wholesalers move to Europe.

Posted by: mjennin2 11.Feb.2018, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Mib @ 10.Feb.2018, 03:39 PM) *
Anything that I've bought or shipped from China has been imposed with import duty to Sweden. In fact, PostNord will charge a standard fee, I think it will be 125kr per package regardless of value + the Moms for customs. So the days of importing cheap stuff direct from China is effectively over in Sweden.

But even with a 125kr fee + 25% VAT, the base value of the goods will still be ridiculously reduced as compared to Swedish goods, so you still may end up with a discount in relation to the Swedish equivalent; it just won't be AS dirt-cheap.

Posted by: robbie1985 8.Mar.2018, 11:10 AM

Not sure if anyone is interested, but yesterday I received an item I ordered over a month ago and was not charged anything. The item was clearly marked that it came from China, the value and the fact it was not a gift. Anybody else have any experiences?

Posted by: Martian 10.Mar.2018, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 8.Mar.2018, 11:10 AM) *
Not sure if anyone is interested, but yesterday I received an item I ordered over a month ago and was not charged anything. The item was clearly marked that it came from China, the value and the fact it was not a gift. Anybody else have any experiences?



Following this for sure.
I am still waiting for a phone pouch that I ordered around one month ago. Once it arrives and I need to pay the 125kr charge (I don't mind the VAT anytime), then the pouch becomes Postnord's property.

Posted by: Martian 12.Apr.2018, 10:06 AM

I just got an SMS from postnord to pay 79.14kr before they ship an item I bought for around 25kr from China. Postnord just got themselves a gift from China! They can take the item already. I don't need it anymore. They need to review the administrative charges on items of negligible values if they want to be reasonable . My personal opinion.

Posted by: bonviveur 12.Apr.2018, 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Martian @ 12.Apr.2018, 11:06 AM) *
I just got an SMS from postnord to pay 79.14kr before they ship an item I bought for around 25kr from China. Postnord just got themselves a gift from China! They can take the item already. I don't need it anymore. They need to review the administrative charges on items of negligible values if they want to be reasonable . My personal opinion.


just ask seller mark it as a gift next time

Posted by: Nordmann 14.Apr.2018, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 8.Mar.2018, 11:10 AM) *
Not sure if anyone is interested, but yesterday I received an item I ordered over a month ago and was not charged anything. The item was clearly marked that it came from China, the value and the fact it was not a gift. Anybody else have any experiences?

aren't you so lucky!!!
I WISH I have the same experience but NO sad.gif

I paid the necessary fees which is more expensive
than the total value of the product.

I was told that the letters are not automatically sent
when the payment has been received.
The customs office will approve the declaration
before sending the letter to the recipient.

Furthermore, because both postnord and the customs
are new in these kind of routines,
it may take a little longer before the letter is delivered

Posted by: robbie1985 3.May.2018, 08:21 AM

Another update. I ordered two items from the same site in China again. They sent them as two separate packages. Each incurred the 75kr import charge PLUS tax. So my first toll free import appears to have been a lucky one.

Posted by: niallyr 4.May.2018, 01:12 PM

The new rules are applied to incoming packages from ALL countries outside the EU - not just China.

I don't mind paying the import tax but the 75kr PostNord administration fee is ridiculous profiteering. However, it is however inline with the administration fee which DHL were already charging for collection import tax.

Really the government needs to step in and regulate the administration fee companies can charge for the collection of import tax.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 6.May.2018, 11:35 AM

Well, I hope that the items you guys are buying from China are legal. A lot of the TÜV, SGS, Lloyds certificates for IS9001, CE etc, shown on Chinese factory websites are fake. Their cosmetics often contain ingredients that are illegal in the EU.

Notwithstanding their human rights record, they also put up barriers to trade - such as requiring animal testing on imported cosmetics, while not have the same requirement for cosmetics manufactured in China.

But anything to save a buck, eh?

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