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Posted by: Gjeebes 16.Mar.2019, 06:38 PM

https://www.thelocal.se/20190316/teacher-in-sweden-reported-to-police-for-ejecting-pupil

Way to go Meatballs! You're finally living the high-life, mission complete.

You've cultivated the ultimate entitlement culture.

Something you've been working towards at least since the 70's.

""There's a risk that we can get to an untenable situation where almost anything can constitute an offence," she said. "We need to define clearly what an offence is.""

Far too late for that, you idiots!

Intent doesn't play a role, unfortunately, anymore, ever since the Twittiot outrage culture bred the guilty-by-simply-being-accused phenomenon, which the Meatballs have embraced like no other...

Posted by: Bsmith 16.Mar.2019, 06:51 PM

No wonder there are teacher shortages.

Posted by: Gjeebes 16.Mar.2019, 07:00 PM

I would imagine, after observing the Meatballs directly for 6 years, that the Meatballs will resort to some serious virtue-signalling here, since it's all they have left.

This means the teachers involved will be fired and then socially castrated for trying to uphold "standards", and the ass-hole punk kid will be given an honorary Professorship in the field of his choosing.

And as an additional gesture of exaggerated goodwill, the Meatballs will finally (fast-track) approve the family unification, whereby the parents, of said parents, and 28 close relatives, will finally be able to join them in the Meatball party in which they find themselves, after already waiting 12 years for their applications to be processed.

Posted by: intrepidfox 16.Mar.2019, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 16.Mar.2019, 07:00 PM) *
I would imagine, after observing the Meatballs directly for 6 years, that the Meatballs will resort to some serious virtue-signalling here, since it's all they have left.

This means the teachers involved will be fired and then socially castrated for trying to uphold "standards", and the ass-hole punk kid will be given an honorary Professorship in the field of his choosing.

And as an additional gesture of exaggerated goodwill, the Meatballs will finally (fast-track) approve the family unification, whereby the parents, of said parents, and 28 close relatives, will finally be able to join them in the Meatball party in which they find themselves, after already waiting 12 years for their applications to be processed.


Typical Sweden. Before i used to be pissed of with your posts but after living here for 30 years, you are spot on with many of your comments. I wish i could win the lottery and get out

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Mar.2019, 09:21 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 16.Mar.2019, 08:36 PM) *
Typical Sweden. Before i used to be pissed of with your posts but after living here for 30 years, you are spot on with many of your comments. I wish i could win the lottery and get out


Agreed.

Sweden is a downward slope.

Still no news about the increase in knife attacks going on...it's daily.

This is what happens when you allow criminals who are well over 25 to be classified as gymnasium students and have a right to stay. Fucked up.

Posted by: intrepidfox 16.Mar.2019, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 16.Mar.2019, 09:21 PM) *
Agreed.

Sweden is a downward slope.

Still no news about the increase in knife attacks going on...it's daily.

This is what happens when you allow criminals who are well over 25 to be classified as gymnasium students and have a right to stay. Fucked up.


It´s sad. Sweden used to be great. Now there is so much crime, you hardly see a Swede or a white person, rarely hear the language when in town (just a noise like chickens), no respect, politicians that have no idea about anything, isis fighters coming back and being offered flats and jobs etc. Totally fucked up and it will get worse.

R.I.P

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 16.Mar.2019, 10:18 PM

VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Mar.2019, 11:01 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 16.Mar.2019, 09:42 PM) *
It´s sad. Sweden used to be great. Now there is so much crime, you hardly see a Swede or a white person, rarely hear the language when in town (just a noise like chickens), no respect, politicians that have no idea about anything, isis fighters coming back and being offered flats and jobs etc. Totally fucked up and it will get worse.

R.I.P


I agree.

Everything has turned to shit.
We have schools declining, questionable housing system, hospitals are overflooded.

The politicians don't care. They just want to get their pay so that they can go to Thailand once a year.

I am sad that going out at night anywhere is no longer safe as it used to be.
There are these refugees up to no good. And even the police is fed up with the politicians.

Lets state the fact. It will get worse, before any good.
None of these refugees will ever get jobs. They are unemployable. They will just get lured into crime, and it will continue to get worse..

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Mar.2019, 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 16.Mar.2019, 10:18 PM) *
VOTE THEM OUT!!!


We did. We all did.
But election system failed us, even though none of us want this incompetent PM.

Posted by: Bsmith 17.Mar.2019, 03:20 AM

It's always darkest before the dawn...let's hope that things will start to turn around.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Mar.2019, 05:56 AM

Optimism...

I used to have it but at this stage of my life I find it to be meaningless...

Will things get "better"???

Maybe, but for who???

The country and the values that I was born into no longer exist, at the end of the war(what war? laugh.gif ) August 1945 this country was a world wonder and example of what a united people can become...

That's all gone and unity is but a dream...

So be it...

The Western World is over and we let it happen!!!

Posted by: Gjeebes 17.Mar.2019, 06:46 AM

Perhaps I arrived in Sweden just for the beginning of this real lowering of everything there. I have only known it since it has been in this mess.

I remember not being able to find an appropriately sized flat already in 2011, and after digging into the situation, I realised then, there was already a shortage. I warned faculty that if they were hiring post-docs etc, they needed to get their names on the lists 8 months prior to new staff arriving (if not sooner), knowing that there would be problems.

This was met with the typical disbelief and it was assumed that I just didn't understand their system (you know, because Swedes are smarter than foreigners, right). No one listened, and sure enough, the problems became apparent within 1-2 years.

Swedes seemed then to have zero understanding of what was happening, and were too arrogant and proud to bother taking a deeper look. And perhaps it did not sit well with them, that someone who'd not been there very long, could see the cracks forming before they could. It is not surprising to me that they welcomed with open arms the open borders non-sense.

Anyway, not my problem now. I can only hope to make people think about what they will be coming to, when they set their sights on Sweden.

And the immigrant fiasco is but one of several HUGE problems they have happily created for themselves, but for which they can comprehend no solution.

Posted by: skogsbo 17.Mar.2019, 07:41 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 17.Mar.2019, 05:46 AM) *
Perhaps I arrived in Sweden just for the beginning of this real lowering of everything there. I have only known it since it has been in this mess.

I remember not being able to find an appropriately sized flat already in 2011, and after digging into the situation, I realised then, there was already a shortage. I warned faculty that if they were hiring post-docs etc, they needed to get their names on the lists 8 months prior to new staff arriving (if not sooner), knowing that there would be problems.

This was met with the typical disbelief and it was assumed that I just didn't understand their system (you know, because Swedes are smarter than foreigners, right). No one listened, and sure enough, the problems became apparent within 1-2 years.

Swedes seemed then to have zero understanding of what was happening, and were too arrogant and proud to bother taking a deeper look. And perhaps it did not sit well with them, that someone who'd not been there very long, could see the cracks forming before they could. It is not surprising to me that they welcomed with open arms the open borders non-sense.

Anyway, not my problem now. I can only hope to make people think about what they will be coming to, when they set their sights on Sweden.

And the immigrant fiasco is but one of several HUGE problems they have happily created for themselves, but for which they can comprehend no solution.

I think the refugee problem was created by those countries that decided to invade Iraq, Libya etc..
Immigrant problem.. that would be eu right to travel.

The teacher; I imagine the locals click bait is not the whole story. In the UK I had at least 2 teachers who should have been sacked instantly and others who these days should be in court for assault etc.. So I wouldn't presume one article here is the whole story even if it backs your agenda. There are good and bad in every profession in every country, including unis as long as a person gets at least a 2:1 in the end no one complains.

Ps. You've still yet to say what perfect nation you left and what wonderful land you now live in? Or are you just trolling?

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Mar.2019, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 17.Mar.2019, 06:46 AM) *
Perhaps I arrived in Sweden just for the beginning of this real lowering of everything there. I have only known it since it has been in this mess.

I remember not being able to find an appropriately sized flat already in 2011, and after digging into the situation, I realised then, there was already a shortage. I warned faculty that if they were hiring post-docs etc, they needed to get their names on the lists 8 months prior to new staff arriving (if not sooner), knowing that there would be problems.

This was met with the typical disbelief and it was assumed that I just didn't understand their system (you know, because Swedes are smarter than foreigners, right). No one listened, and sure enough, the problems became apparent within 1-2 years.

Swedes seemed then to have zero understanding of what was happening, and were too arrogant and proud to bother taking a deeper look. And perhaps it did not sit well with them, that someone who'd not been there very long, could see the cracks forming before they could. It is not surprising to me that they welcomed with open arms the open borders non-sense.

Anyway, not my problem now. I can only hope to make people think about what they will be coming to, when they set their sights on Sweden.

And the immigrant fiasco is but one of several HUGE problems they have happily created for themselves, but for which they can comprehend no solution.


Sweden was great. The services worked, and there was little or no crime at all, and everything used to function very well.

The problems began after Reinfeldt. Persson and Bildt have both been saying for the last few years that the migration policies are naive...

20% of Sweden are from MENA. They brought the war with them. This is just the beginning of a shit show. And now we have ISIS murderers among us, who are welcomed back...

Back to the main topic. These are Afghans who are the main culprits of abuse in schools. And if not, it is one of the MENA! It always is the case.
They are rude, disrespectful, and migrationsverket has given the a "chance" to continue to stay in Sweden. So they have a sense of entitlement in Sweden. They shout back to teachers, police...they dont care, because the system is on their side.

Sweden's fault.


Disaster.

Posted by: Gjeebes 17.Mar.2019, 03:00 PM

"Ps. You've still yet to say what perfect nation you left and what wonderful land you now live in? Or are you just trolling?"

A shame how small minded you are. And an even bigger shame that you actually believe there is no place better than Sweden.

And still as presumptuous as ever...never said I moved to a perfect nation (but I have already said what great place I am from).

Where I am now has flaws, but I'll take those any day over those I left behind in idiot-stick Meatballia.

Posted by: Gjeebes 17.Mar.2019, 03:11 PM

"20% of Sweden are from MENA. They brought the war with them."

Yes, the Meatballian approach to making everything sweet in life is by coating everything in sugar.

It's as if they thought they were above having the typical, expected problems, importing unemployables from war torn nations, without ANY PLAN WHATSOEVER.

Oddly, the book written by a Swedish "immigrant", "splaining" to the Meatballs how their own welfare state works, in terms of "basic" economics, was banned at the same libraries that "Mein Kampf" is openly available.

Seems like once you Meatballs are on the path to self-destruction, there is no talking sense to yous.

The book, written by Tino Sanandaji (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tino_Sanandaji) is entitled, "Mass Challenge", for any Meatball "brave" enough to pull their head out of their ass, it might help you to make sense of the "New Country" that has been made for you, by Big-Nanny, in your own back-yard.

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Mar.2019, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 17.Mar.2019, 03:00 PM) *
"Ps. You've still yet to say what perfect nation you left and what wonderful land you now live in? Or are you just trolling?"

A shame how small minded you are. And an even bigger shame that you actually believe there is no place better than Sweden.

And still as presumptuous as ever...never said I moved to a perfect nation (but I have already said what great place I am from).

Where I am now has flaws, but I'll take those any day over those I left behind in idiot-stick Meatballia.


Who said I ever left???
As much as I do not agree with our policies, there is no country I would rather be in.

If there is any leaving, I would move to Denmark. They have their shit together.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 17.Mar.2019, 03:54 PM

Very sad reading here, it's hard to believe that it is Sweden that is being discussed.

And yet Sweden still sees itself as the perfect model, utopia.

You can blame who you want, but at the end of the day Swedes rely on the media for information.

We all know about current crime in Sweden and who commits most of it and how it is not reported.

Maybe The Local has a better chance of getting real news from this forum.

At the moment it seems we have 9,000,000 people burring their heads in the sand, while the other 1,000,000 kick their asses.

As for the teacher, well whether right or wrong, phones should NOT be allowed in schools.

Posted by: skogsbo 17.Mar.2019, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 17.Mar.2019, 02:00 PM) *
"Ps. You've still yet to say what perfect nation you left and what wonderful land you now live in? Or are you just trolling?"

A shame how small minded you are. And an even bigger shame that you actually believe there is no place better than Sweden.

And still as presumptuous as ever...never said I moved to a perfect nation (but I have already said what great place I am from).

Where I am now has flaws, but I'll take those any day over those I left behind in idiot-stick Meatballia.

So you claim to know best, but aren't willing to state how or why. I think you still live here, perhaps you are even Swedish too. All bitter and twisted.

I never said sweden was perfect either. No where is perfect. But it suits me. That's all that matters, is findjng places that match what you enjoy in life. There are possibly better places than sweden, I would have said nz until 3 days ago. There are also a huge number of places that overall are far worse than sweden. Be it, healthcare, education facilities etc.

I'm content with my lot, it seems pretty clear gjeebes that you are not content with yours

Posted by: Uncle Fred 17.Mar.2019, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 17.Mar.2019, 03:25 PM) *
Who said I ever left???
As much as I do not agree with our policies, there is no country I would rather be in.

If there is any leaving, I would move to Denmark. They have their shit together.

I think Gjeebes was aiming at skogsbo.

Posted by: skogsbo 17.Mar.2019, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 17.Mar.2019, 02:59 PM) *
I think Gjeebes was aiming at skogsbo.

Or anyone who will listen to a grumpy bitter swede. I don't think they have left, but wish they had.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 17.Mar.2019, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 17.Mar.2019, 03:59 PM) *
So you claim to know best, but aren't willing to state how or why. I think you still live here, perhaps you are even Swedish too. All bitter and twisted.

Making a judgement like this can put yourself into an embarrassing position, because a person could have personal reasons that is nobody else's business.

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 17.Mar.2019, 03:59 PM) *
I'm content with my lot, it seems pretty clear gjeebes that you are not content with yours

Good to see you are content with your life. Do you live in a high immigrant area?
It seems that because you are content that we should all be content. One thing EVERYBOBDY is discontent with is immigration, even though we are immigrants rolleyes.gif .

Posted by: skogsbo 17.Mar.2019, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 17.Mar.2019, 03:13 PM) *
Making a judgement like this can put yourself into an embarrassing position, because a person could have personal reasons that is nobody else's business.


Good to see you are content with your life. Do you live in a high immigrant area?
It seems that because you are content that we should all be content. One thing EVERYBOBDY is discontent with is immigration, even though we are immigrants rolleyes.gif .

Everywhere is a high migrant area. They share them around. Half the kids in my kids class aren't swedidh. But then I'm a migrant too technically and don't some how think I'm superior just because I'm from the eu, or English speaking, or white. We are all benefiting equally as migrants here, just in different ways.

I'm not suggesting everyone should be content. But many folk complain about problems that exist in every country as though sweden is unique. Nowhere solves every problem. Sweden does need to address many things, but that doesn't many many other benefits of living here suddenly don't exist either.

Edit. For gjeebes to be so keen to bad mouth anything Swedish he should at least be capable of saying which uperior countries they are benchmarking against.

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Mar.2019, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 17.Mar.2019, 04:20 PM) *
Everywhere is a high migrant area. They share them around. Half the kids in my kids class aren't swedidh. But then I'm a migrant too technically and don't some how think I'm superior just because I'm from the eu, or English speaking, or white. We are all benefiting equally as migrants here, just in different ways.

I'm not suggesting everyone should be content. But many folk complain about problems that exist in every country as though sweden is unique. Nowhere solves every problem. Sweden does need to address many things, but that doesn't many many other benefits of living here suddenly don't exist either.

Edit. For gjeebes to be so keen to bad mouth anything Swedish he should at least be capable of saying which uperior countries they are benchmarking against.


There are different types of immigrants.

There are the ones who moves for work, or swedish partner.
Then there are ones who come here with nothing but the clothes on their back, and lies, who are the worst kind.

There has nothing been wrong with immigration until around 2008, is when it kind of started getting much worse. Remember we accepted many civilized refugees from Chile and Iran, who integrated perfectly well.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 17.Mar.2019, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 17.Mar.2019, 04:47 PM) *
There are different types of immigrants.

There are the ones who moves for work, or swedish partner.
Then there are ones who come here with nothing but the clothes on their back, and lies, who are the worst kind.

There has nothing been wrong with immigration until around 2008, is when it kind of started getting much worse. Remember we accepted many civilized refugees from Chile and Iran, who integrated perfectly well.

Might I add the Balkans as well, these people have integrated so well you would hardly know they were here.

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Mar.2019, 05:09 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 17.Mar.2019, 05:06 PM) *
Might I add the Balkans as well, these people have integrated so well you would hardly know they were here.


I agree.

I classify them as civilized. They work hard, learn the language, and quickly become a part of society.

Religion is a huge factor that segregate the people from MENA.
The day I see a woman in a hijab having a fika together with a swede

Posted by: Uncle Fred 17.Mar.2019, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 17.Mar.2019, 04:20 PM) *
Everywhere is a high migrant area. They share them around. Half the kids in my kids class aren't swedidh. But then I'm a migrant too technically and don't some how think I'm superior just because I'm from the eu, or English speaking, or white. We are all benefiting equally as migrants here, just in different ways.

I'm not suggesting everyone should be content. But many folk complain about problems that exist in every country as though sweden is unique. Nowhere solves every problem. Sweden does need to address many things, but that doesn't many many other benefits of living here suddenly don't exist either.

Edit. For gjeebes to be so keen to bad mouth anything Swedish he should at least be capable of saying which uperior countries they are benchmarking against.

So I take it your a teacher, yes. Superiority is not the case lets be clear about that. I want to know how we are benefitting from migrants, because here I have an issue, please clarify.
I don't think we are singling out Sweden here, we are aware of problems in other counties.
But in what other counties do you see migrants burn cars, destroy pubic property and intimidate and attack people openly on the street. I can also tell you that the majority of migrants look down on Swedes and treat them as stupid and second class.
The problem with Sweden is migrants identities are always protected in the media while Swedes get named and condemned, that is worrying don't you think.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 17.Mar.2019, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 17.Mar.2019, 05:09 PM) *
I agree.

I classify them as civilized. They work hard, learn the language, and quickly become a part of society.

Religion is a huge factor that segregate the people from MENA.
The day I see a woman in a hijab having a fika together with a swede

It seems to me that many people don't understand what integration is, to me intergration is "When in Rome you do as the Romans do"

Migrants should fit in without standing out, i.e. dress like the locals, speak like the locals and behave like the locals.

Try going to Iran and taking a beer and chatting the ladies.

Posted by: skogsbo 17.Mar.2019, 05:35 PM

No not a teacher here. I meant kids as in my own kids class.
Yes there does need to be better integration but that's often the fault of the politicians and not the migrants themselves or the eu for opening the doors and refusing to sort out countries like Poland which won't pull their weight. There are last good for nothings in every country I've ever been to.

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Mar.2019, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 17.Mar.2019, 05:22 PM) *
So I take it your a teacher, yes. Superiority is not the case lets be clear about that. I want to know how we are benefitting from migrants, because here I have an issue, please clarify.
I don't think we are singling out Sweden here, we are aware of problems in other counties.
But in what other counties do you see migrants burn cars, destroy pubic property and intimidate and attack people openly on the street. I can also tell you that the majority of migrants look down on Swedes and treat them as stupid and second class.
The problem with Sweden is migrants identities are always protected in the media while Swedes get named and condemned, that is worrying don't you think.


No that is not right.
These refugees come from Sharia law. So being in Sweden is like being in a candy store.

Why do you think they have Sharia law from their countries?? They are uncontrollable.
Being sent to prison in Sweden is like being sent to all expense paid vacation!

For some of the crimes they commit here, they would suffer on a much grander scheme in their own countries.

Rape or commit burglary and you get 6 months. They are grateful for that.
That is why they keep doing it. So do you think they respect Sweden and their laws. NO.

So why would they listen to a teacher?! They have no respect for Sweden.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Mar.2019, 09:14 PM

The bad guy in this and other scenarios is not the immigrant...

When people are allowed to act in certain ways that counter commonly shared ideals and culture, the onus is not theirs...

It's Liberalism!!!


Any interest in enforcing "first country" asylum laws???

In a Conservative fashion!!!

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Mar.2019, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 17.Mar.2019, 09:14 PM) *
The bad guy in this and other scenarios is not the immigrant...

When people are allowed to act in certain ways that counter commonly shared ideals and culture, the onus is not theirs...

It's Liberalism!!!


Any interest in enforcing "first country" asylum laws???

In a Conservative fashion!!!


That is what the moderate party wanted.

The first country does not work. They have false documents, and re-enter with a new name new identity. The whole asylum process for the EU has failed.

Posted by: Bsmith 17.Mar.2019, 10:33 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 17.Mar.2019, 09:14 PM) *
The bad guy in this and other scenarios is not the immigrant...


Are you saying the student who called the teacher a whore was not an immigrant (specifically from an Islamic background)? Seems to be one of their favorite insults. Any woman who is not covered from head to toe is a whore and therefore subject to public shaming or worse.

It has always perplexed me why the liberals take such a liking to a religion that demeans women...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Mar.2019, 11:40 PM

If you bring vipers into your life and one bites you...Who is to blame???

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Mar.2019, 11:52 PM

"The whole asylum process for the EU has failed."

Who let that happen???

Everybody, Europe is sowing the seed for it's own destruction in a Liberal way!!!

The wondrous joys of Ethnic Diversity, Multiculturalism, coupled with Political Correctness are leading to a new world order...sans Europeans!!!

Anybody want to resist???

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Mar.2019, 03:55 AM

"Are you saying the student who called the teacher a whore was not an immigrant (specifically from an Islamic background)?"

NO...

Posted by: cootje1976 18.Mar.2019, 11:08 AM

These people are pathetic. As a kid I got send out of class simply by saying ‘Goddammit’; everything in this country is made ‘negotiable’; sending a kid out of class because he or she disrespects the teacher should be nothing more than normal. Where I am from if you would call the police on that they would ask you if you fell off the bus on yer way to work.
Kids disrespecting teachers should not be defended, it should be handled and the kid and the parents in question should be called to account for the misbehaviour. Thats it, end of story, next case!

This way there is a whole new generation of kids growing up that do not get disciplined because the adults are lacking a backbone. No wonder there is no respect. Truth to be told, kids should respect their elders, however the elders should deserve it. Nothing worse than a piece-of-shit parent that got kids, and then make it societies problem if their kids fail in life. I do think that for parenting you’d need a degree, but I know that is a touchy subject.

I personally do not have kids and do not want them. Not a big fan, for us kids are more a nuisance than a blessing, so let other people have ‘em. But that is our opinion and we respect others for having their own kids.

When I was a kid I got spanked, slapped, reprimanded, etc, and I turned out quite well. Got expelled a few times, and nothing happened. I grew up, grew a pair, and turned up quite ok. For a matter of fact, the kids that were being ‘babied’ by the system usually turned out pretty bad.
I think the generation that was born in the seventies is the last generation that carries a solid backbone; after that that seems to be weened out due to the our society going 'soft'. And now we are stuck with the entitled, soft liberals, that try to govern everything including words, and Sweden is a star in that though.

But all they are doing is masking the truth, and this is one of them; kids do not respect authority anymore like we did, when you were told to respect your elders.

In my time that kid would have been send out of class and the parents would enforce their authority.

Posted by: Svedallas 18.Mar.2019, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 18.Mar.2019, 11:08 AM) *
These people are pathetic. As a kid I got send out of class simply by saying ‘Goddammit’; everything in this country is made ‘negotiable’; sending a kid out of class because he or she disrespects the teacher should be nothing more than normal. Where I am from if you would call the police on that they would ask you if you fell off the bus on yer way to work.
Kids disrespecting teachers should not be defended, it should be handled and the kid and the parents in question should be called to account for the misbehaviour. Thats it, end of story, next case!

This way there is a whole new generation of kids growing up that do not get disciplined because the adults are lacking a backbone. No wonder there is no respect. Truth to be told, kids should respect their elders, however the elders should deserve it. Nothing worse than a piece-of-shit parent that got kids, and then make it societies problem if their kids fail in life. I do think that for parenting you’d need a degree, but I know that is a touchy subject.

I personally do not have kids and do not want them. Not a big fan, for us kids are more a nuisance than a blessing, so let other people have ‘em. But that is our opinion and we respect others for having their own kids.

When I was a kid I got spanked, slapped, reprimanded, etc, and I turned out quite well. Got expelled a few times, and nothing happened. I grew up, grew a pair, and turned up quite ok. For a matter of fact, the kids that were being ‘babied’ by the system usually turned out pretty bad.
I think the generation that was born in the seventies is the last generation that carries a solid backbone; after that that seems to be weened out due to the our society going 'soft'. And now we are stuck with the entitled, soft liberals, that try to govern everything including words, and Sweden is a star in that though.

But all they are doing is masking the truth, and this is one of them; kids do not respect authority anymore like we did, when you were told to respect your elders.

In my time that kid would have been send out of class and the parents would enforce their authority.


No teacher wants to get fired.
They are on the beck and call of students.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Mar.2019, 07:50 PM

A teacher is a child's first experience with authority outside of home, if they get away with defiance it does not bode well for their future acceptance of normal life rules of social behaviour...

Posted by: Bsmith 18.Mar.2019, 10:29 PM

As a former teacher, I can say that 95% of the students are okay. A few are better than the rest but most are normal just as you and I were back in the day. But those 5% that are bad can make a teacher's life miserable. Of course, these numbers can be altered significantly in a tougher school district. I imagine that there are some schools in Sweden now that are very bad. It is no wonder that teachers are getting out of the profession.

Posted by: DuneSunny 20.Mar.2019, 02:09 PM

My partner is a teacher and had a similar experience. She was asked to teach English in a colleagues class who was off ill (due to stress). The class was known to be difficult and had to have an additional full-time assistant to help control the class. Four of the pupils were being really unruly and despite being asked by my partner a number of time to be quiet, she finally told them to “Shut up” in English. The four pupils went straight to the Head Teacher in the next break and said that my partner / their teacher had told them to “håll käften”, which is far worse in Swedish than "shut-up" in English.

My partner was immediately called to the Head Teacher’s Office to explain, which she did, and the Head Teacher said that the matter was closed.

Problem was that the four pupils went home to their respective parents and totld them that their teacher had told them to “håll käften” and the parents complained to the school.

Two days later my partner was called to a meeting together with Facket for a verbal disciplinary warning.

My partner now wants to leave the teaching profession and is looking for another job.

Posted by: Bsmith 20.Mar.2019, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (DuneSunny @ 20.Mar.2019, 01:09 PM) *
My partner is a teacher and had a similar experience. She was asked to teach English in a colleagues class who was off ill (due to stress). The class was known to be difficult and had to have an additional full-time assistant to help control the class. Four of the pupils were being really unruly and despite being asked by my partner a number of time to be quiet, she finally told them to “Shut up” in English. The four pupils went straight to the Head Teacher in the next break and said that my partner / their teacher had told them to “håll käften”, which is far worse in Swedish than "shut-up" in English.

My partner was immediately called to the Head Teacher’s Office to explain, which she did, and the Head Teacher said that the matter was closed.

Problem was that the four pupils went home to their respective parents and totld them that their teacher had told them to “håll käften” and the parents complained to the school.

Two days later my partner was called to a meeting together with Facket for a verbal disciplinary warning.

My partner now wants to leave the teaching profession and is looking for another job.



I had good years and bad years over my career. There definitely were times I wanted to quit, too. But I stuck it out and, overall, it was a good profession. I feel I made a difference in some kid's lives, raised my family and now have a pension. My advice to your partner: don't let one bad instance derail your career.

Posted by: DuneSunny 20.Mar.2019, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 20.Mar.2019, 02:18 PM) *
My advice to your partner: don't let one bad instance derail your career.


Unfortunately, this wasn't the first instance, more the straw that broke the camels back. You are in pension, but form what i understand from my partner, the teaching profession in Sweden has changed completely in recent years, especially since the change in law that all teachers and assistant head-teachers must be behörig, it has put a terrible strain on the profession with pressures from both politicians and parents, so you get pressure from all sides.

My partner has decided the profession is no longer for them.

Posted by: Gjeebes 20.Mar.2019, 04:55 PM

DuneSunny: sorry to hear of this. I'd gathered this reported "scenario" would not be a singular event; I'm not at all surprised to learn of wide-spread lack of discipline.

It is a shame, the way the Swedish system is set-up. Discipline is a "hate-crime" of sorts, thereby permitting all sorts of anti-social behaviour, that sees no correction. And those attempting to uphold "standard", are culpable.

Sad sad.

And perhaps worse is that these little "entitlitos" end up at the universities, wasting tax-payer money and furthering the scope/reach/severity of their entitlements.

So very very glad to be gone from that place. So refreshing it is, to be in a place where education is valued. Where teachers are valued.

Posted by: skogsbo 20.Mar.2019, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 20.Mar.2019, 03:55 PM) *
So very very glad to be gone from that place. So refreshing it is, to be in a place where education is valued. Where teachers are valued.


That perfect land you now inhabit? But won't disclose?

Is that in case people start googling and linking articles to show it has just as many problems as any other country?

Posted by: Gjeebes 21.Mar.2019, 04:36 PM

I feel for ya Skoogsies, I mean, you've invested everything in glorious Meatballia, only to be let down time and again.

It must pain you to be so stuck there, participating in its decline. It's no wonder you so willingly see the trees but not the forest.

Would simply be too much for you to bear...poor sod.

Posted by: skogsbo 21.Mar.2019, 04:43 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 21.Mar.2019, 03:36 PM) *
I feel for ya Skoogsies, I mean, you've invested everything in glorious Meatballia, only to be let down time and again.

It must pain you to be so stuck there, participating in its decline. It's no wonder you so willingly see the trees but not the forest.

Would simply be too much for you to bear...poor sod.

So you won't say where you live then?

I've not been let down and are quite content with my lot. Just picked up Swedish driving licence today. Took 2 weeks from start to finish to switch my UK licence. Not bad for incompetent state services you keep complaining about.

Posted by: Gjeebes 22.Mar.2019, 07:30 PM

Wow, how small town.

"I switched me DL and it only took 2 weeks; what do you mean Meatballia sucks ass"?

Looks like you in Meatballia is a match made in heaven.

Daft is as daft does.

Posted by: skogsbo 22.Mar.2019, 07:36 PM

Gjeebes. Jealous as jealous does... Why else would you put so much effort in on this forum... you hate the idea people are happy here.

Posted by: Gjeebes 23.Mar.2019, 06:35 PM

But student behaviour is not the biggest problem in Meatballian schools.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/is-sweden-proof-that-school-choice-doesnt-improve-education

"Inspectors only check to see if something is in place, not how well it is working. That means it’s possible for a school that isn’t serving its students well to get a good report."

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 23.Mar.2019, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 23.Mar.2019, 06:35 PM) *
But student behaviour is not the biggest problem in Meatballian schools.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/is-sweden-proof-that-school-choice-doesnt-improve-education

"Inspectors only check to see if something is in place, not how well it is working. That means it’s possible for a school that isn’t serving its students well to get a good report."


Funny that the article mentions PISA scores. India participated in the PISA tests once (2009) placed 74 out of 76 participants, has since then boycotted it but we are still supposed to believe that indian engineers and programmers are without equals.

Posted by: skogsbo 23.Mar.2019, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 23.Mar.2019, 07:44 PM) *
Funny that the article mentions PISA scores. India participated in the PISA tests once (2009) placed 74 out of 76 participants, has since then boycotted it but we are still supposed to believe that indian engineers and programmers are without equals.

Pisa is not independent. It's funded by the participants and each country is able to chose which institutions in its country sit the test. So it's as honest and open as each country wishes it to be. But it makes comparisons between nations have less value to say the least.

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Mar.2019, 06:12 AM

"...but we are still supposed to believe that indian engineers and programmers are without equals."

No, no, only in Sweden. Just like you guys thought open borders would save the world!

Remember, all those doctors, and other pillars of society that have elevated Meatballia to new platitudes!

Nanny-state knows best!

Posted by: skogsbo 24.Mar.2019, 08:04 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 24.Mar.2019, 05:12 AM) *
"...but we are still supposed to believe that indian engineers and programmers are without equals."

No, no, only in Sweden. Just like you guys thought open borders would save the world!

Remember, all those doctors, and other pillars of society that have elevated Meatballia to new platitudes!

Nanny-state knows best!

So where ever you live now, the mystery land that we can call gjeebistan, has the best government, migration policy and now education system.. anything else that is simply the best there? Healthcare maybe? Can we can visit you and see this amazing place?

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 24.Mar.2019, 08:16 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 24.Mar.2019, 06:12 AM) *
"...but we are still supposed to believe that indian engineers and programmers are without equals."

No, no, only in Sweden. Just like you guys thought open borders would save the world!

Remember, all those doctors, and other pillars of society that have elevated Meatballia to new platitudes!

Nanny-state knows best!


And the US, and Singapore, and Australia and the UK. But at least some of those countries seem to be tightening their work migration policies now.

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Mar.2019, 04:27 PM

"And the US, and Singapore, and Australia and the UK."

Haha, sure.

But nobody went as ball's deep with eyes closed as you Meatballs did.

Please, can you explain to me, how Meatballia organised itself, across its massive bureaucratic power sucking machine, in any way, to deal with such numbers?

What was the plan, man?

And I wonder if you might be slightly illiterate? Not trying to be mean. I really wonder how much can you grasp from written text or oral communication, since these things I write of aren't exactly secrets. You've surely come across these ideas, but you still can't fathom them.

You and your brother Skoogsies, are always trying to poo-poo everything and change the subject to something truly petty and make like the situation in Meatballia is just the same as in other places. Just so ignorant!

I mean, what kind of a success is it when it takes a new New Country person 8 years to find employment? Or was it 10?

You must be slightly retarded, a simpleton, to think that is the case everywhere. Like you just can't comprehend it's apples and oranges, in any comparison.

Housing turmoil? You think the same housing situation in other places, is the result of the same thing, as what is going wrong in the greasy Meatball?

Same/similar immigration phenomenon, sure. But how individual countries dealt with it, well, Meatballia wins the prize for incompetence, lack of planning of any sort, general disorganisation, political turmoil, and loads and loads of scamming (Swedes charging Gov't 10 x the going rate to house fugees, for example).

But hey, YOU are stuck with it, not me. I was smart. I left before the whole shithouse went up.

So I can somewhat understand your disability, in feeling like you must defend Meatballia, otherwise face embarrassment, and social castration (Meatballian styled genital mutilation), delivered as sweetly as can be, from the local Meatbots.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 24.Mar.2019, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 24.Mar.2019, 04:27 PM) *
"And the US, and Singapore, and Australia and the UK."

Haha, sure.

But nobody went as ball's deep with eyes closed as you Meatballs did.

Please, can you explain to me, how Meatballia organised itself, across its massive bureaucratic power sucking machine, in any way, to deal with such numbers?

What was the plan, man?

And I wonder if you might be slightly illiterate? Not trying to be mean. I really wonder how much can you grasp from written text or oral communication, since these things I write of aren't exactly secrets. You've surely come across these ideas, but you still can't fathom them.

You and your brother Skoogsies, are always trying to poo-poo everything and change the subject to something truly petty and make like the situation in Meatballia is just the same as in other places. Just so ignorant!

I mean, what kind of a success is it when it takes a new New Country person 8 years to find employment? Or was it 10?

You must be slightly retarded, a simpleton, to think that is the case everywhere. Like you just can't comprehend it's apples and oranges, in any comparison.

Housing turmoil? You think the same housing situation in other places, is the result of the same thing, as what is going wrong in the greasy Meatball?

Same/similar immigration phenomenon, sure. But how individual countries dealt with it, well, Meatballia wins the prize for incompetence, lack of planning of any sort, general disorganisation, political turmoil, and loads and loads of scamming (Swedes charging Gov't 10 x the going rate to house fugees, for example).

But hey, YOU are stuck with it, not me. I was smart. I left before the whole shithouse went up.

So I can somewhat understand your disability, in feeling like you must defend Meatballia, otherwise face embarrassment, and social castration (Meatballian styled genital mutilation), delivered as sweetly as can be, from the local Meatbots.


You want me to show you evidence of the H-1B propaganda in the US? Where Silicon Vally tycoons scream and shout about the superior software engineers comming from India?

Posted by: skogsbo 24.Mar.2019, 04:47 PM

Gjeebes..
You may think you are winning because you left sweden, but you clearly aren't happy or content.

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Mar.2019, 05:29 PM

"You want me to show you evidence of the H-1B propaganda in the US?"

No.

Why?

Because I couldn't give a flying f#ck.

And Skoogsies...I think your mom is calling you...dinner's ready.

And...

P.S. Everyone who leaves Meatballia is winning, by default, as a minimum.

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