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Posted by: Essingen 3.Feb.2010, 04:29 PM

OK...be warned...this is a rant.

I've recently started my own company and want to buy a legal copy of this. It seems pretty near impossible to understand what one should buy. My requirements are simple...to be able to write and spell check in both English and Swedish. My issues are the following:

1. The "home" and "Student" version is only licensed for non-commercial use. Fair enough. The "Small Business" version seems appropriate, but what the hell is the full "professional" version. Is this for businesses or individuals?

2. My new PC came with a free trial version...but of the "home" and "student" version so this isn't legally OK. They are all the same but apparantly I can't just buy a business license and install it. I must remove the software and install a new version. In addition I must be careful not to just buy the license key which frequently comes without any software. And of the course the English versions here in Sweden cost a packet. Maybe I could install a test version on line?

3. As for the spell checking and so forth. I believe (though am not 100%) that there have been changes and that the newer Office 2007 only contains language support for one language whereas the earlier versions contained multi language support. Does anyone know if this is correct?

Posted by: Rick Methven 3.Feb.2010, 04:45 PM

Unless you want access all the extra business contacts crap etc that comes in the prof version or even the small business version use the cheaper home version.

The labels Home. Student Small business, professional has got absolutely sweet FA to do with who can use it. it is just a marketing tool. Buy a home users licence in your name and then charge it to your company.

I have both the home and the professional versions installed - I need the pro version for some of my work. For everyday use of word etc the home version is fine

Posted by: Nemesis 3.Feb.2010, 04:48 PM

This is the reference selection I would recommend for 2007.

Office 2007 All-in-one Desk Reference for Dummies (Paperback)
by Peter Weverka (Author)
Paperback: 816 pages
Publisher: John Wiley & Sons (10 Jan 2007)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0471782793
ISBN-13: 978-0471782797

Office 2007 Library: Excel 2007 Bible, Access 2007 Bible, PowerPoint 2007 Bible, Word 2007 Bible (Paperback)
by John Walkenbach (Author), Faithe Wempen (Author), Herb Tyson (Author), Cary N. Prague (Author), Michael R. Irwin (Author), Jennifer Reardon (Author), Michael R. Groh (Author), Joseph C. Stockman (Author), Gavin Powell (Author)
Paperback: 4200 pages
Publisher: John Wiley & Sons; Pap/Cdr edition (20 April 2007)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0470169931
ISBN-13: 978-0470169933

Office 2007 Bible (Paperback)
by John Walkenbach (Author), Herb Tyson (Author), Faithe Wempen (Author), Cary N. Prague (Author), Michael R. Groh (Author), Peter G. Aitken (Author), Michael R. Irwin (Author), Gavin Powell (Author), Lisa A. Bucki (Author)
Paperback: 1224 pages
Publisher: John Wiley & Sons (1 Jun 2007)
Language English
ISBN-10: 0470046910
ISBN-13: 978-0470046913

As for what version. The full professional version is best if in Business.

Posted by: Essingen 3.Feb.2010, 04:49 PM

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The labels Home. Student Small business, professional has got absolutely sweet FA to do with who can use it. it is just a marketing tool.


The "home " version is licensed for "non-commercial use".

Posted by: byke 3.Feb.2010, 05:16 PM

Get a copy of "Open Office".
Its free and just the same without licensing issues.

Posted by: Rick Methven 3.Feb.2010, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Essingen @ 3.Feb.2010, 04:49 PM) *
The "home " version is licensed for "non-commercial use".

This is so much bullshit. All it means is that it is not sold to companies, because they can screw a higher price from a company than an individual.

Microsoft can not stop you using any piece of software that you have bought and hold a legal license for in any way that you choose.

If you take the non-commercial use literally. I would mean that if you have the home version of Office on your home PC that you can not use it to write a letter to a business laugh.gif

It would also mean that if you have a personal laptop with Office home you could not take it to your companies office!

Microsoft are the biggest money grabbing crooks around and make obscure statements regarding licencing that are either illegal or unenforceable in most of Europe.

If all you want it for is word processing, I would follow Bykes advice and get open office. It is good and FREE.

The only reason that I use Microsoft Office is that I have developed some systems for clients who use MS Office Pro and therefore I am stuck with it. Open office is actually a better product and is compatible and can read anything done in MS Office

Posted by: Rick Methven 3.Feb.2010, 06:39 PM

OpenOffice.org 3 is the leading open-source office software suite for word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, graphics, databases and more. It is available in many languages and works on all common computers. It stores all your data in an international open standard format and can also read and write files from other common office software packages. It can be downloaded and used completely free of charge for any purpose.

here is the download link

http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US

You can even have a chinese version

Posted by: Essingen 3.Feb.2010, 09:18 PM

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It stores all your data in an international open standard format and can also read and write files from other common office software packages.


So I could use it and then save files so that they could be read by Microsoft office users?

Posted by: byke 3.Feb.2010, 09:20 PM

yes

Posted by: byke 3.Feb.2010, 09:21 PM

Infact Open office looks almost identical etc ...
Try it and you will see.

And best of all its 100% free

Posted by: Essingen 3.Feb.2010, 09:27 PM

Thanks. I am downloading it now.

Posted by: Nemesis 3.Feb.2010, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 3.Feb.2010, 09:21 PM) *
Infact Open office looks almost identical etc ...
Try it and you will see.

And best of all its 100% free



Actually it has more or less the same functionality as office 2007 corporate and can save files in all office formats if needed.

It can save a lot of money.

Posted by: Essingen 3.Feb.2010, 10:00 PM

Ok well thanks guys for the tip. I have downloaded and installed it and I must say that it looks brilliant. I will certainly be happy to dump Microsoft Office for this.

Are there any pitfalls with it that I should be aware of?

Posted by: David S 4.Feb.2010, 01:06 AM

If Open Office doesn't suffice then another option is to try out Office 2010. It's in free beta at the moment and will work until October. I've had no significant problems with it.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/2010/en/download-office-professional-plus/default.aspx

Posted by: DidiE 4.Feb.2010, 07:50 AM

I tried Open Office- the only pitfall I found is that the powerpoints from MS do NOT transfer very well to OO. It was a real hassle for me, but if you don't use the powerpoint apps much, it won't matter.

Posted by: HALE 4.Feb.2010, 09:38 AM

I have everyone in the family with their computers on OpenOffice.
Does everything the same. Also you can save in other formats.
Costs zero and is often updated. You can also get language packs for it inc swedish.

I don't support Microsoft! From my first Mac (a mac plus, used claris works) I don't use explorer or any microsoft products. The only exception is my hubby bought an x-box but that was soon collected dust next to the PS3.

Posted by: Craptastical 4.Feb.2010, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (DidiE @ 4.Feb.2010, 07:50 AM) *
I tried Open Office- the only pitfall I found is that the powerpoints from MS do NOT transfer very well to OO. It was a real hassle for me, but if you don't use the powerpoint apps much, it won't matter.

You could export the presentation to PDF format. It makes it easier for everyone to see the presentation as it was intended (not entirely sure if MS Office does this or not though).

I'm glad that more and more people are using OO.org, OSS is reaching the masses and being accepted as a viable alternative to those who aren't techies. Woohoo!

Posted by: DidiE 4.Feb.2010, 12:14 PM

Yeah- I did try to export to PDF, but all the formatting tags came with it from OO, after I moved it to that environment from the MS one, even though in the OO environment there were no tags visible. I am not sure that is the case for every one who switches from PP in MS to OO, but if you have a lot of your lectures or presentations in MS PP it could be a hassle. But I liked what I saw of the Word and Excel OO versions. Very easy to use.

Posted by: Nemesis 4.Feb.2010, 07:20 PM

Major potential problem

If you upgrade to windows 64 bit, you will start to get problems with open office. Only install open office or star office if you are 32 bit at present.

It only really functions properly on 32 bit at present.

It would be best to check out your system first.

A 64 bit version of both is coming out later this year.

Posted by: Essingen 4.Feb.2010, 07:28 PM

Bit late for that advice! It is already installed.

What sort of problem will I have?
Surely the majority of applications are 32 bit at the moment aren't they? What is Microsoft office 2007 for example? That can't be a 64 bit application can it?

Posted by: Nemesis 4.Feb.2010, 08:13 PM

Some of us have switched to 64 bit operating systems.

For example I use 64 bit windows and linux as I do a lot of graphics intensive work, which regularly requires files in excess of 3 gigs, sometimes up to 20 gig. My averge file size is about 8 gig these days.

A lot of people are switching to 64 bit.

Office is still 32 bit, as is star office and open office. There respective companies are working on stable 64 bit versions.

A program I need to get my paws on is inflow.

Posted by: DidiE 5.Feb.2010, 08:06 AM

Aha- 64 bit is the culprit, then. Thank you, Nemesis.

Anyone have problems with this system and frequent Firefox crashes? a little help?

Posted by: Nemesis 5.Feb.2010, 10:25 AM

Welcome.

I had to go back to using my old copy of office 2000 on my 64 bit windows, which was a bit strange, due to problems I had with 2007 ultimate. It should have been the other way about, but that is the way it worked out.

Firefox should be OK on 64 bit now. There was quite a few problems when 64 bit first came out. I have multiple browsers on my net machine and firefox and explorer seem to both be working ok, now.

The Switch to 64 bit should now that initial issues have been smoothed out be a lot better with explorer, firefox, media player, divx, codec packs, bluray playback, nero and office 2010.

I have multiple configurations with hot swap drives for different things.

Posted by: Rick Methven 5.Feb.2010, 10:42 AM

Basic rule of thumb with anything from Microsoft. Never buy it until Service pack 2 is released. I refuse to pay to debug sloppy microsoft code

Posted by: crazy_leo 5.Feb.2010, 01:39 PM

Agree with Rick smile.gif
By the way, you can also try Google Docs http://docs.google.com . It is also free and can be used for collaborative editing of a doc. Plus you can save the online files to your desktop in MS or OO format also, in case you need a hard copy.

Posted by: Eddymu 5.Feb.2010, 03:41 PM

I’d say keep in mind that whilst Openoffice is free it does have its issues. For example, if you will be receiving a lot of Word documents – especially with tables / embedded graphs it is likely you will run in to formatting issues (especially with .docx files). Similar issues can occur with large Excel 2007 (.xlsx) files. That said, it works the other way as well with OO documents to Office.

^^ not a OO bashing but something to be aware of when using it as a business tool.

As for the 32/64-bit argument if you have Windows 7 64-bit, 32-bit apps are executed by the WoW64 x86 emulator and this is generally a lot more stable on W7 that previous editions – there are limitations but I have only run into 1 yet and that was with a cisco vpn client. I haven’t personally used OO on W7 but if others say it’s not stable then I’ll go with their experience.

Just keep in mind you get what you pay for, it’s for your business after all so only you know how much time you can put in to researching and fixing issues you could come up against.

Posted by: Essingen 5.Feb.2010, 03:58 PM

QUOTE
not a OO bashing but something to be aware of when using it as a business tool.

Yes, that is a good point. I rather suspected it might be the case when I installed it. It is a tricky one really. Maybe I will install office 2010 beta and see what that is like.

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