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Posted by: Alfredo 13.Nov.2009, 05:26 PM

It was the right move to look for change after Göran Persson, and a few mistakes can be tolerated, but now Freddie, you're taking things way too far.

It's time to take stock. Breathe. See where we are.

Sweden has much to be proud of over the last 60+ years, and it's time this was recognised.

To throw all of this good work away in just a few years, seems short-sighted in the extreme.

Stop!

Breathe.

Let's take some time out, and see exactly where it is we want to be heading, because it's important, and will affect your future, your children's future, and the future of your friends and neighbours, and your friends' and neighbours' children's future ...

Erm, yes, I think you get the point.

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This is Alfredo - I'm back.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 13.Nov.2009, 05:29 PM

Welcome back, Alfredo.

Best news this site has had in months, if not years.

Posted by: Alfredo 13.Nov.2009, 05:36 PM

Why, thank you, Trowbridge, that's very kind.

Looking forward to it.

Posted by: Puffin 13.Nov.2009, 05:54 PM

Who are you and what have you done with Alfredo??? biggrin.gif

I thought you were looking forward to the alliance years

QUOTE (Alfredo @ 18.Sep.2006, 01:03 PM) *
I'm looking forward to more opportunities, more choices, and a lot more discussion about Sweden's future, over the next few years ...

Posted by: I'm Lost 13.Nov.2009, 06:01 PM

Oh yes, by all means, put Mona Sah-fucking-lin in the hot seat.

Give me a break.

Posted by: Mo 13.Nov.2009, 06:02 PM

TINA

Posted by: Alfredo 13.Nov.2009, 06:12 PM

Puffin, my sweet, predictability is a spice which should not be used too fervently ...

Let's go!

I was looking forward to more opportunities and more choices ... and unfortunately for Sweden, in my opinion, we are currently not heading in that direction.

When you add to that the biggest financial crisis that the world has possibly ever seen, then you need to take stock and re-evaluate what life is all about.

We are more than just money and economics.

Have a great weekend!

Posted by: I'm Lost 13.Nov.2009, 06:27 PM

More opportunities and choices are never going to happen in Sweden, because the average Swede has been raised by the one party rule of 60 years Social Democrat dominance to believe that choice and the resulting opportunities are unnecessary. It will take a lot more than a change of government to bring that around. It will also take more than one term in office to really change the moribund ways of the political past.

I don't really care who is in power, but do feel that to go back to another decades long one party rule would be a mistake.

But even then, I wouldn't care too much if they had someone at their helm other than Mona, they went from bad to worse going from Göran to her, she is a useless wench and has no business in government.

Posted by: 7 13.Nov.2009, 08:49 PM

'fredo. nice to see you..

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 13.Nov.2009, 09:12 PM

I will happily give then four more years...

Posted by: Mzungu 13.Nov.2009, 11:16 PM

Alfredo! What a breath of fresh air. Welcome back,unfortunately am off to warmer climes for my annual sojourn. With a little spin with NASCAR!

---->>>>

*catch you later*

Posted by: Social Hypocrisy 14.Nov.2009, 10:24 AM

(Quote: Let's take some time out, and see exactly where it is we want to be heading, because it's important, and will affect your future, your children's future, and the future of your friends and neighbours, and your friends' and neighbours' children's future ...)

I agree with you 100% about our childrens future being at stake here, thats why we cant go back to the SD's being in charge.

If you think going back to a system of bidrag based dependancy, and a systematic covering up of unemployment figures just to keep your government in power is a future, I dont know what to say.

Thats no more of a future than a heroin addict trying to score her next fix and being a slave to the pusher.

If thats what you wish for your children and friends...

Posted by: Plowbridge 14.Nov.2009, 10:45 AM

If the current lot stay for another 4-5 years there will be very little left that is state owned. Instead the country's wealth will be in the hands of the greedy few and public services and employment will be reduced to a cinder.

How any government can look at a Thatcherite model proven to divide a country and try to implement it is beyond me. It is a shame that Mona Sahlin is the least credible opposition leader in the history of politics. Sweden need a strong intelligent government that can make this current lot look like the capitalistic amateurs they are.

Posted by: Social Hypocrisy 14.Nov.2009, 10:57 AM

how dare you say that about our beloved iron lady:)

Pistols at dawn my friend... and may the best man win!

Of course the transition will be hard, but I believe will ultimately set us free.

Posted by: Fishtank 14.Nov.2009, 11:00 AM

Alfredo, welcome back is what I can say. smile.gif

Don't bother much about pols rights now. Nov, Dec and Jan, its getting better and better.

*Also curious where are so many others who used to post here.. like the caveman... Gamlaa..

Haven't read any posts from Roch..

007 and sofia seems to be keeping low profile or it's 08er climate clubbed with theLocals rapid ascent to new heights (which I am not sure either) keeping folks away...

Gimme good ol days of the glory smile.gif

Posted by: Plowbridge 14.Nov.2009, 11:18 AM

The sooner Thatcher dies in prolonged agony the sooner the people can get back some of the pleasure of living that she took away.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 14.Nov.2009, 11:46 AM

There is Plowbridge, showing off his true colors again - wanting her deep agony rather than wanting a quick, painless death which would apparently help us all! rolleyes.gif

Wanting pain in others is no cure for anything.

Posted by: Plowbridge 14.Nov.2009, 11:55 AM

Karma old man.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 14.Nov.2009, 12:12 PM

You can try, Plowbridge, to inflict pain upon me by alluding apparently to the sins of this life will be paid for in the next, and that old people are going to be treated soonest in this way, but it is simply water off my back.

I have lived a good, rewarding life, and am ready for death, come what may.

This world - thanks to its ignorance, jealously, hypocrisy, aggression, selfishness, etc. - is no picnic, and I shall not miss it when the time comes. tongue.gif

Posted by: Plowbridge 14.Nov.2009, 12:32 PM

huh.gif Was referring to Thatcher.

Posted by: Essingen 14.Nov.2009, 02:17 PM

I am surprised that there is so much animosity to Thatcher. You have obviously forgotten, or weren't old enough, to remember how economically sick the UK was in the years before she came to power. Remember the likes of Red Robbo (Derek Robinson)...personally credited with causing 523 walk outs at the Longbridge car factory or even King Arthur...determined to draw hard working miners into his own political struggle by avoiding ballots on industrial action.

Sure she made mistakes and yes, the country became too divided. However, there are few who would deny her credit for putting the UK back on track in many respects.

Posted by: Mo 14.Nov.2009, 04:50 PM

last word to Elvis Costello

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Znn5a-88tY

Posted by: craicen 14.Nov.2009, 05:14 PM

I don't like politics
I don't government pricks

Posted by: CTIDinÅrsta 14.Nov.2009, 05:32 PM

When she lost the leadership the Guardian had a competition for the best epitath for her

I've never forgotten the winner: "Licenced for dancing"

Posted by: 7 14.Nov.2009, 06:22 PM

[quote name='Fishtank' date='14.Nov.2009, 11:00 AM' post='475692

Haven't read any posts from Roch..

007 and sofia seems to be keeping low profile or it's 08er climate clubbed with theLocals rapid ascent to new heights (which I am not sure either) keeping folks away...

Gimme good ol days of the glory smile.gif
[/quote]

sorry fishy. the old days are gone. i poke a head in now and again. roch has posted now and again.

the off-forum community exists to a certain extent via facebook. nice to see you around too fishy.

Posted by: I'm Lost 14.Nov.2009, 07:07 PM

facebook has taken a significant bite out of many forums like this.

Posted by: 7 14.Nov.2009, 10:03 PM

in this case facebook took over when TL's new editor/moderator alienated its long-term members and the forum changed.

Posted by: I'm Lost 14.Nov.2009, 10:28 PM

I missed all of that because when it changed I wasn't able to log in for a long time, and then I gave it up.

Posted by: Alfredo 19.Nov.2009, 08:22 AM

Hi 007

It's true what you and Fishtank said. The Local owes something to a number of people who helped to make this site what it is today ...

What will it be like tomorrow?

Well, that rather depends.

Posted by: 7 19.Nov.2009, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (Alfredo @ 19.Nov.2009, 08:22 AM) *
What will it be like tomorrow?

eh, you mean what is it like now? an empty cavern. we had a nice meet up last night to send off the hobo. really nice mix of newbie and oldies. looking at the oldies, you realize that most of 'em don't post any more or do rarely. i also post on lost in sweden, but that is also not very active these days (though it would be nice if it got more active again.)

Posted by: Fishtank 19.Nov.2009, 11:30 AM

007 , nice to hear from you and yes I sometimes wonder may be it was meant to be like that.

I haven't been active on theLocal or Facebook either. Just somehow did not feel like responding.

On the other hand off late I am reading discussion on thelocal.de for no specific reasons.
Somehow their user interface looks better than this one as well as the expats community over there seems to be growing pretty organically online is what I could gather. They seems to be pretty good bunch of folks trying to support each other.

Let's see how Team Gbg curry meet up go on 28Nov and sometime would like to attend Team 08ers meetup for sure but don't know when.

Posted by: 7 19.Nov.2009, 11:33 AM

QUOTE (Fishtank @ 19.Nov.2009, 11:30 AM) *
On the other hand off late I am reading discussion on thelocal.de for no specific reasons.
Somehow their user interface looks better than this one as well as the expats community over there seems to be growing pretty organically online is what I could gather. They seems to be pretty good bunch of folks trying to support each other.

now ain't that a kicker as it was the same "editor" who killed this forum

Posted by: Fishtank 19.Nov.2009, 11:36 AM

As it appears, 007 come on we are Children as per EB .. so we need to be ruled... Period.

Where is EB btw?? Where are Mods, the fuurrum Gods smile.gif

*Might get blocked now for unparliamentary comments smile.gif Shivering with fearrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

Posted by: 7 19.Nov.2009, 11:48 AM

QUOTE (Fishtank @ 19.Nov.2009, 11:36 AM) *
Where is EB btw?? Where are Mods, the fuurrum Gods smile.gif

EB still manages the forum but doesn't bother with it much. there's nothing happening anyway, so his job is easy. when he posts, he posts under "the local"

the mods he recruited, all long timers, seemed to have given up since there was little to no consideration shown people taking their time to moderate. bob has employed the services of an autobot to change little letters into big letters in titles. so there is a fair amount of moderation still going on laugh.gif

Posted by: duncs 19.Nov.2009, 03:26 PM

The social democrats have built a stella society over the past 60 years HOWEVER, they need to get with the times. Continued govermental control without some serious modernisation of policies will be the end of sweden. As i have heard it said before, 'sweden need large organisations, but large organisations don't need sweden'(i.e sweden needs the taxes! Taxes and unions will force all major corporations and industries offshore. Globalisation has brought an end to age old socialist ideals and how are we to compete with the emerging powerhouses of China and India. the unions must realise that these countries can provide the same output for 1/4 the cost and there simply is no national loyalty when it comes to companies bottom lines. Hell, even I as an individual want to leave due to the tax levels here.

Posted by: Alfredo 26.Nov.2009, 08:16 AM

duncs - you've said some good stuff there, with plenty to discuss further.

Sweden, like many other countries, need to continually update their thinking. As you say, the world keeps changing. Imo, there needs to be more debate in Sweden about nationalisation/privatisation. There are substantial benefits and drawbacks to both. Balance is required, and I appreciate it's never easy to find the right balance. But.

We can try.

The Alliance, however, are not trying hard enough.

Infact, they're screwing up.

Examples include SJ, Vattenfall, and now Saab.

These are major errors of judgement.

And they need calling on them.

Posted by: ShaneW 27.Nov.2009, 05:28 PM

I think the Alliance are haunted by the Bildt era.

I just dont think they can really change what they want to change as the Swedes will promptly boot them out at the first opportunity.

Here's hoping the Alliance get another four years and can bring in the changes Sweden needs especially when it comes to labour law and red tape!

Posted by: superturbo 27.Nov.2009, 10:09 PM

Mona Sahlin cannot be allowed to run this country. If she wins the election we can be certain of that Sweden will truly be going to hell... I have never seen a Swedish politician saying such shockingly stupid things and behaving in such dumb way like she has.

Posted by: Essingen 28.Nov.2009, 05:06 PM

QUOTE
Mona Sahlin cannot be allowed to run this country. If she wins the election we can be certain of that Sweden will truly be going to hell...

I totally agree.

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