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Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.May.2019, 02:00 AM

TheLocal is the realm of those that need to vent, find help and communicate...

That is a good thing, however the venting often leads to unfair criticism of the Swedish people and their cultural lifestyle by those having difficulty understanding and adapting to it; that can be interesting, in that there are those that gladly and vociferously challenge them and all hell breaks loose!!!

That's good too and the reason most of us are here!!!

And then there are those that create reasons to criticize that are not true, by alluding to things that they offer as proof that simply do not exist, A la the Liberal "Russian investigation" in the USA...

The main focus seems to be that the Swedish nation is bragging how wonderful they are,
right thinking, morally superior, wise, kind, Democratic, accepting to all, better than anybody else, etc..
I have never seen any documentation from legitimate government sources that verify such claims...Have you???

Lagom prevails in Swedish society...

Would it be too much to ask for source documentation on whatever is challenged by their postings???

Is the Swedish government/people really claiming what they are being accused of???

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 24.May.2019, 09:53 AM

Have you ever lived in Sweden as an immigrant? Please, be honest... how frequently and for what length have you even visited Sweden?

Have you heard of anecdotal evidence, testimony? There are a lot of stories on this forum that verify that which you claim has never been claimed by Sweden.

Simply take a look at Sweden.se Sweden’s own website about Sweden, made by swedes for non swedes. Then take a look at the news of Sweden that is reported locally and internationally. Compare them. Then take a look at this forum again, I know you have been, 12 years strong, and then compare.

Seems that Sweden doesn’t live up to the image they perpetuate. Not even to themselves... hence their current situation.

Can you grasp the disconnect? Probably not since you are a tourist.

And believe me, kid, being a tourist is A LOT different than being an immigrant.

And shoot... even when people give you sourced information you, and many others, turn a blind eye just to focus on your own narrative.

Posted by: Bsmith 27.May.2019, 01:06 PM

Remember, GH, that only the "Great Saywhatchamacallit" can have a legitimate opinion here on TL.

According to him at least.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.May.2019, 03:06 PM

laugh.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 27.May.2019, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.May.2019, 02:06 PM) *
Remember, GH, that only the "Great Saywhatchamacallit" can have a legitimate opinion here on TL.

According to him at least.


There was no opinion in my post. It was an objective observation. Do you know the difference?

How about let Gamla answer to good questions that were asked... because observing from the outside is different than observations on the inside...

Posted by: Bsmith 27.May.2019, 07:30 PM

Everyone's observations are different from someone else's. And guess what? You are not the final authority on who's observations are valid.

Shocker!!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.May.2019, 06:31 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.May.2019, 08:30 PM) *
Everyone's observations are different from someone else's. And guess what? You are not the final authority on who's observations are valid.

Shocker!!!!


The real shocker is that you are supposedly, or were, a teacher, by your own admittance, and don’t understand that an OBJECTIVE observation will not be different.

Are you the final authority for Gamla?? You seem to speak for them.

You are a sad knee jerk reaction person if you think I’m saying whoever’s observations are not valid. I’m merely responding to Gamla and the questions proposed. It seems more so that you continuously try deem whatever I say as invalid. It seems more so that you try to act as an authority... weird... because I actually live in Sweden, granted it’s on and off for work. If we are talking about authority... objectively, I would have more authority because you lived here for a year, if even, back in 2009-2010? And Gamla has never lived here so what authority does he have?

Regardless, I still stand by my objective observation that the promotion of Sweden and information put out by Sweden.se has a disconnect and downplays realities that many many many immigrants face.

And that website is funded by the government through tax money money money.

Posted by: Bsmith 28.May.2019, 03:13 PM

GH's observations come from a different angle than yours but are no less legitimate. You, with your inflated ego, have a difficult time recognizing that.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.May.2019, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.May.2019, 04:13 PM) *
GH's observations come from a different angle than yours but are no less legitimate. You, with your inflated ego, have a difficult time recognizing that.


I never said they aren’t legitimate. I’m sure he can justify all his beliefs, well maybe not since you speak for them. They are legitimate in that he has conviction. Just as flat earthers hold a legitimate opinion that the earth is flat.

Inflated ego? You are the one going ad hominem cuckoo and policing every post of mine.

But yeah, “living in sweden” through the local forum totally makes Gamla an authority... please Gamla, let’s hear of your experiences living in Sweden. Where have you formed your opinions of contemporary Sweden?

Regardless, I still stand by my objective observation that the promotion of Sweden and information put out by Sweden.se has a disconnect and downplays realities that many many many immigrants AND Swedes face.

And that website is funded by the government through tax money money money. So, that seems like a legitimate government source.

So, what do you have to say Gamla? Are you able to respond to my original rebuttal... post 2? There are no attacks here. Just discussion. Trying to figure out how and why you don’t see the disconnect.

It’s just bsmith here trying to cast his shadow on everything while
up on his high horse.

Posted by: intrepidfox 28.May.2019, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.May.2019, 03:13 PM) *
GH's observations come from a different angle than yours but are no less legitimate. You, with your inflated ego, have a difficult time recognizing that.


But he has never lived here. Any input about Sweden is irrelevant from him. For once i agree with Saywhatwhat

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.May.2019, 07:47 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.May.2019, 08:42 PM) *
But he has never lived here. Any input about Sweden is irrelevant from him. For once i agree with Saywhatwhat


Hey, thanks fox.

That’s all I’m getting at. It’s like someone who watches boxing on tv telling a professional boxer they don’t know what they are talking about.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.May.2019, 07:54 PM

I think that no one should be allowed to speak about anything that happened before they were born...after all...they did not experience it!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 28.May.2019, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.May.2019, 06:42 PM) *
But he has never lived here. Any input about Sweden is irrelevant from him. For once i agree with Saywhatwhat


It's not that I don't agree with what you say, it is just that Saywhat is such a rude, bully that I take umbrage with how he treats people.

Nevertheless, even if GH has never lived in Sweden, his opinion is still valid as, in Sweden, image is everything. The number-crunchers at TL are probably even more interested in his opinion than ours.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.May.2019, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.May.2019, 08:54 PM) *
I think that no one should be allowed to speak about anything that happened before they were born...after all...they did not experience it!!! laugh.gif


This is incorrect for many reasons... for one, we all experience the repercussions of past events.



QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.May.2019, 11:23 PM) *
It's not that I don't agree with what you say, it is just that Saywhat is such a rude, bully that I take umbrage with how he treats people.

Nevertheless, even if GH has never lived in Sweden, his opinion is still valid as, in Sweden, image is everything. The number-crunchers at TL are probably even more interested in his opinion than ours.



Please tell me, specifically, how I have been rude? Because it seems like you bully me over my opinions that differ from yours. I find that rude.

It is well known that Gamla has never lived in Sweden. For him to be in utter disbelief that those living in Sweden don’t all see it as Sweden sees itself... well, that is rude and ignorant.

Here’s a simple example of the disconnect, a well known one too. Swedish govt deems itself humanitarian super power (look up Margot wallstrom for this) On this base, they welcome refugees to come and live in Sweden. A lot of people in Sweden say this is not a good idea. Fast forward after all (relative) hell breaks loose. This humanitarian superpower will deport many people for mistakes employers made with insurance, salary, etc... yet they can’t be brought to deport F...ing Isis members, they have one of the highest amount of islamophobic incidents per capita, the housing market is not good at all, schools, medical care, all downhill... largely due to the population boom... brought on by the humanitarian superpower.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.May.2019, 11:18 PM

I laugh at all the people who say such definitive things about my life, history and any and all things related to me...

Who told you???

How did you find it out???

You know more about me than I do!! laugh.gif

Your idiocy will not cause me to reply as I am enjoying so, much the truth about my life as told by you...

Now I have a challenge for you smartass motherf22kers!!!

Who are my GrandParents???

I can't remember...tell me even if you have to invent them to legitimize all the things you know about me so I can rest easy in the knowledge that all you say is true...Can you??? angry.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.May.2019, 11:51 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.May.2019, 12:18 AM) *
I laugh at all the people who say such definitive things about my life, history and any and all things related to me...

Who told you???

How did you find it out???

You know more about me than I do!! laugh.gif

Your idiocy will not cause me to reply as I am enjoying so, much the truth about my life as told by you...

Now I have a challenge for you smartass motherf22kers!!!

Who are my GrandParents???

I can't remember...tell me even if you have to invent them to legitimize all the things you know about me so I can rest easy in the knowledge that all you say is true...Can you??? angry.gif


Stick to the op’s starting question... oh wait, that’s you. Another act of avoidance.

You have, by your own admittance, in various threads stated you have never lived in Sweden, and that it doesn’t matter to be on this thread. That is absolutely true. And it is also true that nobody knows a real thing about you. We go off of the characters we create here. Your character, as I already said, has admitted to not living, nor ever lived, in Sweden.

Regardless, “The main focus seems to be that the Swedish nation is bragging how wonderful they are,
right thinking, morally superior, wise, kind, Democratic, accepting to all, better than anybody else, etc..
I have never seen any documentation from legitimate government sources that verify such claims...Have you???”

I have given you two sources. Margot wallstrom, minister of foreign affairs deeming Sweden humanitarian superpower. And the Swedish govt’s sweden.se website with all their goody good goodest feelings about sweden all filtered through sugar and gumdrops, I mean fika, kanelbulle, and taking your shoes off at the front door.

Stick to the topic of your own creation Gamla. (Typical conservatard tactics)

Anyone: “I believe in pro choice”

Conservatard: “well you wouldn’t have to if we didn’t have all these rapist illegal immigrants coming here!”

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2019, 01:43 AM

"You have, by your own admittance, in various threads stated you have never lived in Sweden, and that it doesn’t matter to be on this thread"

When???

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.May.2019, 08:12 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.May.2019, 02:43 AM) *
"You have, by your own admittance, in various threads stated you have never lived in Sweden, and that it doesn’t matter to be on this thread"

When???


Not going to pick through your infinite posts. You have never lived in Sweden, perhaps never visited? Change my mind.

OR

Respond to post #2



*yawwwwwnnnnn

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2019, 02:19 PM

"You have, by your own admittance, in various threads stated you have never lived in Sweden,"



The above is a perfect example for the reason for this thread...

False statements that cannot be verified!!!

Back up what you said!!!

Liar you Lose...again!!!:lol:

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.May.2019, 05:02 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.May.2019, 03:19 PM) *
"You have, by your own admittance, in various threads stated you have never lived in Sweden,"



The above is a perfect example for the reason for this thread...

False statements that cannot be verified!!!

Back up what you said!!!

Liar you Lose...again!!!:lol:


In many threads you have said you live in nyc or as you say, the big apple, you have said your body is in USA but heart is in Sweden, you have said you live in big apple but consider a move to North Carolina.

Don’t know your grandparents, but they were baptist.

If I’m wrong, please, correct me with what your experience living, not visiting, Sweden is.



BUT, back to the impetus of the thread... I have given you two verifiable sources that promote Sweden’s “superiority”


Slow day...

What say you Gamla? You just get upset when someone criticizes daddy’s homeland?

Remember now you silly goat, just because we both can stomach a lot of trash... still doesn’t make you an authority on the realities of living in Sweden compared to the fluffy propaganda.

*yawwwwwnnnnn

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2019, 08:07 PM

What I expected from a liar and a total trash talker...

When you can back up what you say you may get some respect from the participants of this forum, you are now without honour...

Again I ask you to produce what you claim... angry.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.May.2019, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.May.2019, 09:07 PM) *
What I expected from a liar and a total trash talker...

When you can back up what you say you may get some respect from the participants of this forum, you are now without honour...

Again I ask you to produce what you claim... angry.gif



Hahahahaha. Why would I be seeking respect here? I don’t need anyone’s approval to have the opinions I may or may not have smile.gif

Are you mentally challenged? I have given you sources... multiple times in previous posts of this thread.

*Sigh*

Disprove my claim that you have never lived in Sweden. Disprove that your grandparents were Baptist’s living in Lutheran Sweden.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2019, 08:57 PM

Keep talking you are proving my case for me and the reason for this thread...

Go on, say more!!!

You are making my day!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.May.2019, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.May.2019, 09:57 PM) *
Keep talking you are proving my case for me and the reason for this thread...

Go on, say more!!!

You are making my day!!! laugh.gif



Oops, you mean making your night, right? It’s night time where you are... in Sweden.

So you never said that you live in NYC, throughout your time on this website? You never said your grandparents were Baptist’s in Lutheran Sweden? You never said your heart is in Sweden but body in USA? You never said you consider moving from NYC to North Carolina?

The search function is easy to use...

Sweden claims itself the worlds first feminist democracy, right? You must have seen the numerous claims of this by many Swedish politicians... yet they have never had a female prime minister... the king is in the media, rarely the queen... the “feminist government” notoriously embarrassed themselves by wearing hijabs while visiting Iran while Iranian women were protesting the compulsory wearing of hijabs. Oops. None of that sounds very “feminist” to me.

*sigh*

Here we go again. More proof you will ignore.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2019, 09:38 PM

I love it when you spin things because you are only putting nails in your coffin, your reputation here is at a low that I have never seen anyone else achieve before, others are judging you right now and no doubt they are shaking their heads...

Continue if you will but better you should not speak and further condemn yourself...Up to you...One thing you can be sure of...I now pity you sad.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.May.2019, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.May.2019, 10:38 PM) *
I love it when you spin things because you are only putting nails in your coffin, your reputation here is at a low that I have never seen anyone else achieve before, others are judging you right now and no doubt they are shaking their heads...

Continue if you will but better you should not speak and further condemn yourself...Up to you...One thing you can be sure of...I now pity you sad.gif


What is being spun?

I have given you ample proof of Sweden’s bs claims.

I pity the one living in Sweden vicariously through an Internet forum. Actually... I don’t pity... I worry for you.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.May.2019, 09:50 PM

Reputation? People judging me and shaking their heads? It’s sad you take this as a serious social activity as if the above matters.


P.s.

Goodnight. wink.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.May.2019, 09:57 PM

This thread was started by me...

If you read it through no doubt you will find it a bit repulsive...

As do I!!!

But during the banter I was accused of saying something that I never said and the accuser could not prove it...

That there was the reason for this thread in the first place...And I was proved right...

However the fact remains that there are those that practice false accusations and defy the innocent to prove themselves...just that...innocent of the accusation...

It is like the old trick question that must be answered...Yes...or...No...brought up to modern standards... And it is:...Have you stopped beating your wife???

If you say yes you used to beat her!!!

If you say no, you still do!!!

How "dirty" is that???

There is no need for this type of communication on this and any forum that has pride in honest and open debate...

Again I ask for proof of any and all accusations that are to be discussed...

To be blunt put your proof where your mouth is!!!

My point has been proven. And I will no longer participate in this discussion...

Thank you,
GH

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 1.Jun.2019, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 31.May.2019, 10:57 PM) *
This thread was started by me...

If you read it through no doubt you will find it a bit repulsive...

As do I!!!

But during the banter I was accused of saying something that I never said and the accuser could not prove it...

That there was the reason for this thread in the first place...And I was proved right...

However the fact remains that there are those that practice false accusations and defy the innocent to prove themselves...just that...innocent of the accusation...

It is like the old trick question that must be answered...Yes...or...No...brought up to modern standards... And it is:...Have you stopped beating your wife???

If you say yes you used to beat her!!!

If you say no, you still do!!!

How "dirty" is that???

There is no need for this type of communication on this and any forum that has pride in honest and open debate...

Again I ask for proof of any and all accusations that are to be discussed...

To be blunt put your proof where your mouth is!!!

My point has been proven. And I will no longer participate in this discussion...

Thank you,
GH


Hahahahaha...

First of all, the answer to that “trick question” would simply be, I don’t beat my wife nor have I ever... unless you do, I guess. In your case, you could simply say when you have lived in Sweden, if you ever have. Don’t see what is so hard with that.

And to your original point of this thread, Sweden’s claims, I have given you a few sources and examples, proof, of their virtue signaling fluff.

In more recent news, Sweden’s economy is in decline... but they said it was strong not so long ago... what’s the deal with that? Could it be MORE bs claims by a suffering country?

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