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Job discrimination based on heritage?

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Svedallas
post 18.Jul.2017, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 18.Jul.2017, 07:56 PM) *
I love to be proven wrong.... No non-eu workers could not unilaterally decide to come and work in Sweden. They had to acquire work permit (and sometime visa) that can only be requested by employer.


What is the difference with the H1B?
Same thing, different country.

Request also has to be requested by employer.
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HerrLagom
post 20.Jul.2017, 07:53 PM
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At least be happy to be white.
If you are have a muslim or "black" sounding name, you will meet less responses.

Sweden is very progressive compared to so many countries, yet there is still a lack. no country is free from that. I would go so far, that you will encounter this more in Northern/Western-Europe than in the rest of the world.
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Svedallas
post 20.Jul.2017, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (HerrLagom @ 20.Jul.2017, 08:53 PM) *
At least be happy to be white.If you are have a muslim or "black" sounding name, you will meet less responses.Sweden is very progressive compared to so many countrie ... (show full quote)


What is a "black" sounding name?

I have met a Black American with a last name "Jones"...
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Svedallas
post 20.Jul.2017, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 20.Jul.2017, 11:25 PM) *


This is Europe.
NOT America...
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 21.Jul.2017, 12:14 AM
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In the Muslim world would Jesus Jorgensson, get many job offers???
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axiom
post 21.Jul.2017, 12:30 AM
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Black migrant here - can't speak for everyone but finding a job has never been an issue.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 21.Jul.2017, 12:46 AM
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Good post, thank you...You just broke a lot of Swede bashers hearts...And rightly so...
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Svedallas
post 21.Jul.2017, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE (axiom @ 21.Jul.2017, 01:30 AM) *
Black migrant here - can't speak for everyone but finding a job has never been an issue.


Good one! At least someone sees the point!
Nothing to do with names.
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Svedallas
post 21.Jul.2017, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 21.Jul.2017, 01:14 AM) *
In the Muslim world would Jesus Jorgensson, get many job offers???


The same for muslim names.

Would a "Muhammed" or "Ahmed" get a job in Sweden? I would say it would be overlooked...

Would a "Muhammed" who studied at Oxford University, a Bachelor, and a Masters graduate, and speaks fluent Swedish. It would get a look.

I would say that Muslim names stand far out more, and with all the politics, the Muslims would have to work twice as hard and have more skills than anyone.

If it is an Eastern European name, it is no longer unusual. I know a few people from Balkans, who moved here in 80s, who are very integrated with an Eastern European name.

So to answer, discrimination is no longer based on heritage, but it maybe because of religion.
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Bsmith
post 21.Jul.2017, 11:31 AM
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To have a Muslim sounding name is a hindrance in the West due to all the bad publicity from the Islamic jihadists and terrorists. Can you blame people for feeling that way? Every time some attack happens, the press interviews the terrorist's neighbors and they express shock, "he was such a nice man, very quiet, kept to himself, loved kids, etc, etc." The press makes it sound as if rational, sane Muslims are put in some kind of trance as they become "radicalized". One day the average Joe Muslim is a kind citizen and then he/she watches some ISIS video online and *ZAP* suddenly a seething, radical terrorist is born. Any employer has to have the thought in the back of their mind, "he/she seems ok now, but what if they become radicalized and come in to work one day and shoot or stab everybody?"
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Svedallas
post 21.Jul.2017, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 21.Jul.2017, 12:31 PM) *
To have a Muslim sounding name is a hindrance in the West due to all the bad publicity from the Islamic jihadists and terrorists. Can you blame people for feeling that way? ... (show full quote)


Yes, this is the problem. It is the radicalized muslims. It will only get tougher.
It will soon be a matter of time when ombudsman start to get complaints.
But can it be helped? no. The same is in all of Europe.

Women with hijabs will face job discrimination almost immediately.
(It is intimidating to Swedes)

The only time I have seen a Muslim woman work with a hijab, is at a fast food restaurant...this is why they opt to just bear more children I suppose.
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Bsmith
post 22.Jul.2017, 02:29 AM
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Yeah I suppose it is tough to be a Muslim in the West. They sure are quick to adopt the victim pose when the natives object to the terrorism. But I wonder how many of these "victims" actually support the terrorists in their heart.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 22.Jul.2017, 04:30 AM
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I am surprised at your naivety, if the Muslim community wanted the terror attacks to stop it would happen in a New York minute, they know who they are and hide them in their communities...

Over here after 9/11, some prominent Muslims were asked about the attack, they all said it was a terrible thing, and then added we know why it happened, and then went on to explain why...Their attitude was plain to see and they knew it was going to happen, and did nothing to stop it...In those days you could almost see the satisfactory smirk...
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LLHope
post 22.Jul.2017, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 17.Jul.2017, 06:44 PM) *
Thanks that show that discrimination is across the education spectrum. Swedes are really good at discriminating against foreign born

You make the assumption that education is the factor that is used when employers select new employees. I get the picture that you have the socialist/communist belief that employers should not be able to choose their employees and build effective teams?

For example, if I have a team of young male devout muslim developers, how effective would the team be in my business if I then employed a highly educated lesbian jewish women to be the team leader?

I have a responsibility to my shareholders to maximise returns on their investments, it is not my role to enable your failing social policies!

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 17.Jul.2017, 10:54 PM) *
You should ask, why Sweden delivered so many work permit and now wants to see those employees overthrown and replace by native Swedes.

Because the Social Democrats are almost entirely funded by LO (which is also why LO and S are very afraid that more and more LO members support SD, S risks losing it's main sponsor).

In addition to that is the general political purpose behind immigration policy. Center-Right want to increase foreign worker immigration because it reduces wage inflation and those workers tend not to join trade unions. Center-Left want immigration of non-workers, or in low/non skilled low paid jobs, because they become more and more dependent upon welfare benefits to survive (a poverty trap is maintained), and tend to vote center-left in order to keep the benefit levels.
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Svedallas
post 26.Jul.2017, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 22.Jul.2017, 11:14 AM) *
You make the assumption that education is the factor that is used when employers select new employees. I get the picture that you have the socialist/communist belief that empl ... (show full quote)



"Center-Right want to increase foreign worker immigration because it reduces wage inflation and those workers tend not to join trade unions. Center-Left want immigration of non-workers, or in low/non skilled low paid jobs, because they become more and more dependent upon welfare benefits to survive (a poverty trap is maintained), and tend to vote center-left in order to keep the benefit levels.?


I think Center-left has changed their strategy. There is a sharp increase in rejections, and deportations.

Instead, what they really should be doing, is changing the salary requirement so that Sweden will only attract people who add value to the workforce, and have actual skills that are hard to find.

A minimum salary requirement of 20,000kr after tax will attract more skilled workers


Look at what America has done with H1B! Minimum salary is $130,000 for a work permit. Many Swedes who lived there now are returning back to Sweden...
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