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The Referendum - Vote to Leave the EU!

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Kari
post 26.Jun.2016, 02:00 PM
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Location: Sweden
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 25.Jun.2016, 05:23 PM) *
Spain lost Gibraltar several centuries ago, they also lost Mallorca but the Britts gave it back to them some time ago (now they just go there and in drunken stupor trash the p ... (show full quote)


But there is a big difference. UK voted to leave EU but Scotland voted to stay. Scotland is forced to leave EU and the EU fundings. Spain has not voted to leave EU.

What about Northern Ireland? Would NI (or the Catholics) vote to be a part of Eire now? Or will there be a border with customs and border control between Eire and Northern Ireland?
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LLHope
post 26.Jun.2016, 02:18 PM
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Location: Stockholm
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QUOTE (Kari @ 26.Jun.2016, 01:00 PM) *
UK voted to leave EU but Scotland voted to stay.
There has not been ANY referendum in Scotland with regards should Scotland Leave or Remain in the EU.

The referendum was should the UK Leave or Remain, the legislation passed through Parliament was clear, as well as in the speeches by Cameron beforehand...It would be a UK referendum and the result is UK. The leader of the SNP asked way before the referendum for a Veto for Scotland if it didn't like the vote biggrin.gif ...but that was refused by the UK Prime Minister.
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Mib
post 26.Jun.2016, 08:21 PM
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Joined: 7.Jul.2006

Scotland requires Westminster to allow them to hold another referendum. But, the indications are that this would only be considered after the negotiation between the EU and the U.K. has been completed. Then, maybe it would be appropriate.

However, the oil price has collapsed and that means Scotland would need to find the money to go it alone. Also, it needs all members to agree for them to join and Spain is reluctant as it would encourage the Catalans to seek the same. Finally, if I'm correct, all new members are required to join the Euro. So, all in all, I see no reason Scotalnd could join the EU. They ultimately could be on their own and in a far worse position.
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Savage
post 26.Jun.2016, 08:53 PM
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Its quite ironic that Scotland wants to vote for independence, so that they could be part of the EU.
Maybe it would be better not to try and explain it to them.
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Gjeebes
post 26.Jun.2016, 09:45 PM
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Joined: 20.Feb.2012

QUOTE (Kari @ 26.Jun.2016, 02:00 PM) *
But there is a big difference. UK voted to leave EU but Scotland voted to stay. Scotland is forced to leave EU and the EU fundings. Spain has not voted to leave EU...

Scotland voted to stay in the UK. And now the "UK" has voted to leave the EU. That's democracy for ya. Quite straightforward really.
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Kari
post 26.Jun.2016, 09:58 PM
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Location: Sweden
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But most of the Scots wanted to be in a UK within EU. So it stands to reason that they might want to leave UK now.

People only whine about the EU fee but how much did Scotland receive from EU fonds? Of course they would not be well off as an independant country outside EU. But better off as in independant country within EU.

No nation has left EU before. But an autonomous region: Greenland. It took them three years.
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Greenlanders voted 52/48 to leave the EU. There followed a series of difficult and protracted negotiations between the Greenland and Danish governments, and the Danish government and the European Commission, particularly with regard to fisheries
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35233683

52-48 %, sounds very familiar.
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Kari
post 26.Jun.2016, 10:57 PM
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Therehasbeen a lot of whining about the benefits the EU-migrants get in UK. But what about the benefits Brits get outside of UK?

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Unemployed Britons in Europe are drawing much more in benefits and allowances in the wealthier EU countries than their nationals are claiming in the UK, despite the British government’s arguments about migrants flocking in to the country to secure better welfare payments.

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There are not only far more Britons drawing benefits in these countries than vice versa, but frequently the benefits elsewhere in Europe are much more generous than in the UK. A Briton in France receives more than three times as much as a jobless French person in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/ja...aim-benefits-eu

So these expats have reason to worry now. If UK stays in EEA, they don't have to worry. But will UK stay in EEA?
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The EEA is based on the same "four freedoms" as the European Community: the free movement of goods, persons, services, and capital among the EEA countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
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TheJockMcTavishExperience
post 27.Jun.2016, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 26.Jun.2016, 09:58 PM) *
People only whine about the EU fee but how much did Scotland receive from EU fonds? Of course they would not be well off as an independant country outside EU.

Kari.

Scotland has received no funds from mainland Europe. None. For 43 years, as part of the UK, they were a net contributor of funds.

Your second sentence perhaps requires some explanation.
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Savage
post 27.Jun.2016, 06:58 AM
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In regards to Scotland, and their desire to go independent.
I wonder if Shetland would choose to leave Scotland and take their oil with them laugh.gif

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/s...tair-carmichael

Imagine if Scotland goes independent, and ends up loosing a sizable chunk of its oil revenue.
Or if Scotland goes independent, only for Shetland to stay united with the remaining elements of the UK.

I cant imagine how Scotland would survive.
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Hisingen
post 27.Jun.2016, 09:36 AM
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Joined: 5.Jul.2012

On its whisky, one would think.
They must have a terrific turnover on the German border - selling it to Swedes.
Swedes like kari, who, judging from those wonky postings must be imbibing vast quantities, hence the inebriated texts. tongue.gif
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LLHope
post 27.Jun.2016, 11:08 AM
Post #41
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Jan.2014

QUOTE (Kari @ 26.Jun.2016, 09:57 PM) *
Therehasbeen a lot of whining about the benefits the EU-migrants get in UK. But what about the benefits Brits get outside of UK?
The article you link is useless comparison provided by a left-leaning pro-EU newspaper. It fails miserably to mention that most of Europe does not have Unemployment Benefit! It is unemployment insurance in most cases, where employers also pay heavily into the pool and there are strict qualification requirements.

It also fails to mention UK Tax Credits, which are not unemployment based but provide HUGE benefits if you get them (even whilst a worker). Low paid workers will most likely receive so-called tax credits, for example, the moment you get any tax credit (yes even 1p) then you are entitled to a mass of other benefits including free dental care!. There are very few countries that offer such, heck you don't even get that when unemployed in Sweden!
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Kari
post 28.Jun.2016, 01:33 PM
Post #42
Location: Sweden
Joined: 16.Jun.2016

Here is what will or might happen in UK after the break. (But when will the final break happen? In two years? EU wants UK to get at out as soon as possible but UK seems to be stalling.)

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SO a new independent Britain is dawning as the UK prepares to leave the EU.

But what will it mean for your personal finances?
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The price of your holiday is likely to rise and the price of a beer abroad will go up
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Mobile phones charges are capped by the EU so calls abroad could soar
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Will my mortgage or rent rise?

Interest rates have been at an all-time low for years but the fall in the pound is likely to mean the Bank of England will push up interest rates.

The cost of borrowing may rise by 0.7 per cent to 1.1 per cent and as landlords' costs would increase, rents would also shoot up.
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How will Brexit affect benefit payments?

If the economy slows down, as the Remain campaign suggests, the income the government receives from taxes will drop.

The shortfall is estimated at between £28billion and £44billion by 2019-2202

This means they may opt for more cuts to save money, or higher taxes to raise more.

Welfare accounts for 28 per cent of Treasury spending so benefits could be hit hard.

A report by the National Institute of Social and Economic Research (Niesr) said some families could lose as much as £2,771 a year.
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Will taxes go up?
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More likely is an extended period of austerity.


And some comments:
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Why didn't you tell us before?
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All info it would have been good to know BEFORE the vote. Thanks Sun


Actually the information was known before the referendum but then The Sun and the other Leave-propagandists dismissed this as "scaremongering" and "project fear". Now that the voters have voted "right", the Sun can write about possible negative consequences too.

Some will win, some will loose. And many of the Leave-voters may be on the loosing side. But who cares about money as long as Britain is independant? Not Rupert Murdoch, guess he is well off not to care. And he is an Americina citizen living in New York.
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Hisingen
post 28.Jun.2016, 02:04 PM
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Joined: 5.Jul.2012

kari - the king/queen of the cut'n-pasters.
What a tosser.
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Kari
post 28.Jun.2016, 03:31 PM
Post #44
Location: Sweden
Joined: 16.Jun.2016

Boris Johnsn (next prime minister?) is painting a very rosy picture of the future:

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I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26...urope--and-alw/

Too rosy a picture maybe. How can he state that there will be full free movement for Brits but not the corresponding for EU migrants?

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Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry.


Boris Johnson not only looks like a big baby; he thinks like a child too. Santa will give everything to UK. Is this how many Leave-voter thought it would be? No wonder they voted Leave then. All advantages and no disadvantages.
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Savage
post 28.Jun.2016, 04:09 PM
Post #45
Joined: 11.Mar.2016

Kari,
I don't understand what you intentions are, or what you are trying to achieve.
You are posting up snippets of information, taken out of context and sometimes from questionable sources and treating them as fact to support your own imagination ?

I do not wish to see you kicked off, but you need calm down and look at this from a factual point of view.

The UK voted for democratic independence from the EU, and this must now be enacted upon.
Regardless if you know someone called Dave or read about others who voted to remain. You pose a very dangerous threat to freedom when you purposely work in a manner to create a false information reality based on fantasy.

If you really want to try and unearth hidden information, I would suggest you focus on Italy and Spains integration into the EU and the dangers this is putting onto France and subsequently Germany. Oh and by the way, the Luxleaks trial judgement is tomorrow, so make sure you keep an eye open to see how deep that info is buried by other stories wink.gif
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