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A religion out of control...

Tolerance and acceptance gone awry...

Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Jun.2016, 08:54 PM
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Another incident has brought us to realize that the Western view and acceptance of multiculturism, ethnic diversity and the acceptance and tolerance of the religious faith of others, is again showing us how wrong those beliefs are...

Tragedy has again been the witness to those beliefs that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the Western world...

Islam and the West are the ingredients for sorrow, despair and death for those that espouse it

Are we ever going to wake up???

Is it already too late???
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Bsmith
post 13.Jun.2016, 09:13 PM
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All the libs keep regurgitating the fact that the shooter was born in the US, therefore it is "home grown" terrorism. Does that really make a difference to the victims? All it shows me is that even second and third generation Muslims can become radicalized.

Oh, and they keep going on about the guns. Funny how I never heard any hue and cry to ban fertilizer after the Oklahoma bombing or airplanes after 911.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Jun.2016, 09:37 PM
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And, as usual the FBI and Home Security Dept., failed to protect us...

There were complaints about his behaviour to his employer a government security contractor, and nothing was done...

Political correctness a la the Fort Hood shooter...we mustn't offend anybody because they are different...

Again there were red flags that were ignored...
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Laurelia
post 14.Jun.2016, 06:29 AM
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This guy was a delusional psychopath, just as the rest of the mass killers are - he believed something or someone gave him the right to choose whether people died or not. What he believed in doesn't matter a jot - what matters is people still think they can choose to kill other people based on different beliefs AND that they can access the weapons to commit such atrocities.

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 13.Jun.2016, 09:13 PM) *
All the libs keep regurgitating the fact that the shooter was born in the US, therefore it is "home grown" terrorism. Does that really make a difference to the vic ... (show full quote)


How many people have died as a result of a gun in the US? How many people have died as a result of a bomb?
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Bsmith
post 14.Jun.2016, 12:09 PM
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How many have died as the result of an auto accident?
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Model T Ford
post 14.Jun.2016, 12:59 PM
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Seems like just more Islamophobia..

Omar Mateen was a most conflicted individual, caught between his father's religious beliefs and his own homosexual desires.

About as bad as OurAdolf's rants.
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Jamtjim
post 14.Jun.2016, 03:24 PM
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The problem is less one of a single religion in my opinion, but of religion in general. Hitchens perhaps said it best when he pointed out that "Religion poisons everything". He was right. Adherence to the backward, demeaning, barbaric and vacuously superstitious ideologies of religious belief propagate, infect and debase human existence on a massive scale, holding us back form social, and in many case technical advancement and sullying the lives of billions.

And it is not just the flying bullets and firey explosions of modern day extremist Islam. It is the rampant sex abuse in various religious institutions covered up to avoid "embarrassment". It is the deliberate spreading of odious lies regarding contraception by the Catholic Church in AIDS riddled Africa. It is the spreading of hate against gays and transgender people by evangelical protestants or the meddling of the Church of England to ensure that people in chronic, terminal pain are forced to undergo prolonged suffering rather than being able to end their own lives.

Illogical, unreasoned beliefs lead to illogical, unreasoned actions. They lead otherwise decent people to do hideously evil things and give the justification for less decent people to do the same. The world has changed radically in the last few decades. The means to murder many people by an individual have never been more available whilst modern communication now allows extremists of every denomination to converse and egg each other on. But as the world has changed, we as a species have failed to keep up, the majority of us stubbornly clinging on to asinine and ludicrous beliefs in a supremely powerful sky pixie.

Some human beings will undoubtedly continue to do horrible things but it is high time that we deal with the causes and religion is undoubtedly one of these. The only way to do this is by education and the teaching of critical thinking over dogmatic indoctrination. And this is a double edged sword, we in the west cannot go around telling Muslims that they should not believe in the commandments their version of the Abrahamic imaginary friend whilst holding a similar beliefs in the more familiar one of Jesus. They are both equally untrue and potentially dangerous and it would be hypocritical to pretend otherwise.

Finally, to address the previous post, a fear of Islam is not a phobia. A phobia is an irrational fear where as it is entirely rational to fear Islam just as it is rational to fear any religion. We should be afraid of a theology that advocates the beheading of the infidel just as we should fear the one that advocates the murder of homosexuals and witches, the forced marriage of a rape victim to her attacker or encourages the wilful subjugation of slaves. We should fear these irrational, bronze-age ideologies and we should do what we can to reduce them.
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Bsmith
post 14.Jun.2016, 03:28 PM
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And, of course, why would there be any need to be afraid of Islam? It is such a reasonable religion after all. Certainly, the cases in which an Islamic radical has killed innocent civilians with a bomb, gun, knife, machete, or by crashing a plane into a building, or burning someone to death, or by beheading, etc., etc. are no cause for concern. These are just normal instances of a few (thousand) zealots and their minions. Just relax, the government is here to protect you.
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Model T Ford
post 14.Jun.2016, 03:41 PM
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You just don't get it.

Omar Mateen went berserk because his homosexual advances in the club were so unsuccessful that he killed as many members of it as he could.

His father's Islamic repudiation of homosexual activity just intensified his anger and frustration.
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Jamtjim
post 14.Jun.2016, 03:56 PM
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It is clearly far too early to come to have reached that conclusion. Part of critical thinking is remaining sceptical and not jumping to conclusions with insufficient evidence. Whilst Mateen had allegedly visited the night club in question, there is as just no evidence that rejection issues where behind any of his actions, just supposition.

On the other hand, he did pledge allegiance to extremest Islam and, even if he was repressing his homosexuality there is a clear religious basis for that too. The are also accounts of the guy becoming radicalised prior to this incident. At this stage we simply do not know and possibly may never know his exact motivations. We do know that the Koran calls for the murder of homosexuals as does the Bible so even if this particular incident turns out to be motivated by rejection rather than ideology, all the points I made still stand despite not being relevant in this particular case.
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Model T Ford
post 14.Jun.2016, 04:20 PM
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Oh, our resident SIS agent has come out of the woodwork to refute what many customers at the club said about Mateen's homosexuality, and what his ex-wife suspected.

Of course, for Jamtjim, any adverse claims about covert actions, and counter terrorist failures are always premature, as that was his job.

Just look at what his former boss, Sir John Scarlett, achieved when it came to ousting Saddam, rendering and torturing Islamic suspects, and even keeping the Lockerbie sabotage covered up.

P.s. No school of Islam justifies murder of homosexuals. It only supports executions of persons who continue to engage in it after suffering lesser punishments.
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Jamtjim
post 14.Jun.2016, 04:25 PM
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Hahahaha!! "SIS agent"? Hahahaha... Can't breathe... Sides hurt...

Nothing ever changes on The Local!
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Model T Ford
post 14.Jun.2016, 04:34 PM
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Of course, discussions on The Local change, depending on whether you are absent, or spewing your falsehoods which is no laughing matter.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Jun.2016, 05:01 PM
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Now, now...

Play nice...

Remember...Pacem in terris!!!

Welcome back, JJ... rolleyes.gif
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Hisingen
post 14.Jun.2016, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 14.Jun.2016, 03:34 PM) *
Of course, discussions on The Local change, depending on whether you are absent, or spewing your falsehoods which is no laughing matter.

Which of course you never do, eh???
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