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Where does all the tax money go?

Bit of a mess Sweden seems to be in..

hoodrat
post 12.Oct.2017, 05:50 AM
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A general question, for all the high taxes paid here. Where does the money go?

If you call the police in an emergency you are told nobody is available.

You can't get a doctors appointment less than 6 weeks from now.

Pre-schools are turning away parents or asking them to collect children early.

Maternity wards are a total mess.

Accident and Emergency is an 8hrs wait if you are lucky and they have the cheek to charge you 200SEK.



It would appear the money is being skimmed off by someone? or...
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Gjeebes
post 12.Oct.2017, 07:22 AM
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This is how the Swedes like it; high taxes, ask no questions, stick head in sand.

They seem to have low expectations of themselves, and everything else. Then, if anything happens, just anything at all, they have rights to some self-adoring pats on the back.

They are just happy to have air to breath, then leave the rest up to nanny, who always knows best.
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Bsmith
post 12.Oct.2017, 11:58 AM
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Sweden has a great infrastructure due to the fact that it hasn't squandered money on useless wars like the US. However, with the huge uptick in spending on social programs, the money for services, pensions and future investments in the country is drying up. Without a change in this fiscal policy, Sweden will start sliding downhill quickly. Fifty years from now, the few that remember will talk about what a great country Sweden used to be.
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flaneur
post 12.Oct.2017, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 12.Oct.2017, 12:58 PM) *
Sweden has a great infrastructure due to the fact that it hasn't squandered money on useless wars like the US. However, with the huge uptick in spending on social program ... (show full quote)


I'll be 76. biggrin.gif
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Mib
post 12.Oct.2017, 12:26 PM
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The Healthcare system alongside the care system is in many cases in the hands of the private sector. They get paid an amount per patient. These companies then siphon off the profits to abroad like Amazon and avoid paying their full tax obligations.

The police are underfunded with low moral and low salaries for the risks they take. They are also politically correct controlled, so very frustrating all around.

Sweden I think spends 11.5% of GDP (higher than average) for EU countries and yet it has similar issues that the UK have in waiting times etc. Maybe too many Managers? I don't know, but the money is going somewhere, but not to the ground level.

We had one GP service in Stockholm that was sold very cheaply to the partners for around 300,000kr. Several years later, they sold it for 20 million!! Yet, I believe nobody was ever prosecuted or disciplined for this. It's total corruption!

You see, Sweden like every other country is not the utopia that people from the outside believe it is. I still don't understand how it's medical system is regarded as one of the top in the world. Maybe it does great in cancer treatment or something else, but it's unclear to me.
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Sthlm83
post 12.Oct.2017, 03:10 PM
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Ever driven across Sweden? Pretty large and sparsely populated country, yet most of it is covered by proper high ways and other major roads. Even smaller roads in the back country are paved or at least regularly maintained. Bare in mind that freezing conditions require much more upkeep than roads in warmer climates (sanding, salting, plowing, plus repairs to damage caused by freezing conditions).

In Stockholm, a brand new top-notch public hospital was just finished (Nya Karolinksa), and another one is going through a major renovation and expantion (Södersjukhuset). A new train tunnel under the city was just opened this summer, and Norra länken is more or less completed. The extension of the tramline (tvärbanan) was also just completed. Each of these are multi billion, tax-funded projects. And these are just the major ones – on top of there are countless of other infrastructure projects that are ongoing or recently completed. And Stockholm still has money in the bank. The situation is similar across Sweden.

Daycare/preschool is heavily subsidized, to the point that every working family can afford it. There's 450 days of parental leave. School, school books, and lunch is paid for. There's a monthly child allowance paid for each child until they're 15. Higher education is tax funded, all the way up to a PhD. There's tax-funded adult education as well.

Healtcare is tax funded. Yes, there are issues that need to be addressed, but through experience from family and friends I can say that the care provided to for example cancer patients is world class. Medicin is heavily subsidized (and capped on top of that, meaning no one ever pays more than 2000 SEK or so for prescription meds). Dentists are tax-funded until the year you turn 20. I got tax funded braces when I was a teen – the latest top of the line braces which probably would have required most of the american middle class to take out a second mortgage on their home to afford (proved they didn't lose it 2008). After 20 there's a "high cost protection" meaning that after a certain point of dental related costs, the government could pay for it.

There are also RUT and ROT, which means home related services like housekeeping and renovations are 50% tax funded. A genius idea that helped a lot of small businesses cope through the last financial crisis caused by greedy ameriKKKans, and which also greatly benefited tax paying swedes (I pretty much don't know anyone established in Sweden who hasn't used either RUT or ROT since it was implemented).

Sweden also gives a fair amount in international aid, and have/had military missions abroad.

These are just some examples where the tax money goes to. And I'm perfectly fine with paying my taxes as I so clearly can see what I get for it. That said there are of course areas that need improvement and tax kronor could be spent even better, but all-in-all I'm perfectly fine with it.
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bonviveur
post 12.Oct.2017, 04:25 PM
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taxes are not that high in Sweden, after all deductions are made,I think high taxes just a part of immidge Sweden try to achieve, also I believe goverment is not to corrupt like in some other countries, all in all not to bad when compared
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Gjeebes
post 12.Oct.2017, 05:39 PM
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"Ever driven across Sweden? "

Ever considered how much was/continues to be spent on Project-New-Country - code-name: virtue signalling disaster?

I don't think anyone has issues with most of your cherry-picked "pseudo" working systems, its all the ones that don't (which you conveniently ignore), that are on people's minds.
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gsurya
post 12.Oct.2017, 06:12 PM
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Try asking a different question - in which country do you get similar infrastructure, healthcare & education & civic services proportional to the taxes you pay, as Sweden. Likely answer is Sweden is one of the top few countries.
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Bsmith
post 12.Oct.2017, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (gsurya @ 12.Oct.2017, 05:12 PM) *
Try asking a different question - in which country do you get similar infrastructure, healthcare & education & civic services proportional to the taxes you pay, as Swe ... (show full quote)


The Sweden of today is not the Sweden of the 70's, when "The Swedish Model" was what many liberal socialists touted as the epitome of modern society. My wife grew up in Sweden at that time and it was a pretty nice place. It's still nice, but not as. IMHO, the slide will continue.
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Apache001
post 12.Oct.2017, 09:13 PM
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I don't want to go into any conspiracy theory, but after living in Sweden for many years, I have come to realize that Swedes are the worst people when it comes to customer service, this is not a problem of infrastructure or lack of tax payers money.

Swedes act like they don't give a sh..t about losing their jobs, because big brother will take care of them.

I have looked at Swedish budget for the fiscal year of 2017 and no reason to have a complete meltdown in all the areas OP just listed.
My experience at a Swedish mechanic workshop recently was another big eye opener of the rot in skills and customer service.
It's so pathetic.
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flaneur
post 12.Oct.2017, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (Apache001 @ 12.Oct.2017, 10:13 PM) *
I don't want to go into any conspiracy theory, but after living in Sweden for many years, I have come to realize that Swedes are the worst people when it comes to customer ... (show full quote)


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But then again, why? I like it! I act the same at my work because I’m fast anställd and I can’t get fired. I love playing with them. I’m having the time of my life actually. laugh.gif

Why do you even care? You have to pay tax anyway, worrying too much about where it goes won’t help you in anything.
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Sthlm83
post 13.Oct.2017, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (Apache001 @ 12.Oct.2017, 09:13 PM) *
I don't want to go into any conspiracy theory, but after living in Sweden for many years, I have come to realize that Swedes are the worst people when it comes to customer ... (show full quote)


Well, I wouldn't say "worst". The more east you get, the worse customer service gets, and somewhere around Irkutsk it starts to reverse smile.gif
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bryann
post 13.Oct.2017, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (hoodrat @ 12.Oct.2017, 06:50 AM) *
A general question, for all the high taxes paid here. Where does the money go?If you call the police in an emergency you are told nobody is available.You can't get a docto ... (show full quote)


VAB, day care subsidies, asylum seekers, etc...

Also, live in the USA and then complain about your 200SEK charge. Here they charge you double that for a single pill of ibuprofen and other non perscripion drugs. An emergency ambulance ride, about 10000 SEK and a single night in hospital, 15000 SEK, 25000 SEK minimum if it is intensive care. That doesnt even include being treated.
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Cheeseroller
post 15.Oct.2017, 10:24 AM
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http://www.friatider.se/tullberg-asylkaose...er-skattekronor



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