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IT Salaries in Stockholm

What's a 20 year IT pro worth?

Timmer
post 11.Feb.2018, 09:58 PM
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I've just received a job offer from a reputable international IT company for a job in Stockholm. If I take the job, my wife and young child will come with me. What is a good salary for an IT professional with 20 years experience as a Solutions Architect in Stockholm? We're having some trouble comparing apples to apples given the vastly different costs of living as compared to where we are in a very expensive part of California, and a lot of the salary web sites we found seem to contradict themselves or seem not so current. Any advice at all is greatly appreciated.
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Temp
post 11.Feb.2018, 10:25 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 14.Jun.2006

http://www.lonestatistik.se/loner.asp/yrke...gsarkitekt-8388

Län Medellön Medelålder Erfarenhet
Skåne 47.805 kr 34 år 9 år
Stockholm 53.297 kr 39 år 11 år
Värmland 42.500 kr 35 år 8 år
Västra Götaland 44.050 kr 37 år 10 år
Östergötland 56.000 kr 31 år 7 år

You can always call the union rep to find out if what you've been offered is standard. If you are on the sthlm average of 53K, and say you will live in Kungsholmen (central-ish stockholm):

Lön innan skatt (bruttolön)53297 kr
Skatt (tabell 30) - 18037 kr
varav kommunalskatt(- 9095 kr)
varav landstingsskatt(- 6295 kr)
varav statlig skatt(- 2647 kr)
Begravningsavgift- 35 kr
Lön efter skatt (nettolön)35225 kr

i.e. 35KSEK/month is takehome pay. A large chunk of that will go on accomodation. Ask the company if they will help you find somewhere to live, that will save you a lot of hassle.

Good luck!
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wallace1837
post 12.Feb.2018, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE (Timmer @ 11.Feb.2018, 09:58 PM) *
I've just received a job offer from a reputable international IT company for a job in Stockholm. If I take the job, my wife and young child will come with me. What is a ... (show full quote)

If you are not EU citizen, I would avoid Sweden at all cost since you have a family:
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...showtopic=86516

Also note that your wife will face years of unemployment, especially if she is educated:
https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCo...G_EMP_EDUCATION (Sweden has the largest unemployment gap for educated people, nearly three time more likely to be unemployed when you are not native born).

As far as salary is concern, as a foreign graduate you should expect to receive less than native again: https://www.thelocal.se/20170713/foreign-gr...an-swedes-study
http://www.saco.se/globalassets/2017-loneg...sk-bakgrund.pdf

Education for your kid is of really poor quality, below OECD average: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for...sment#PISA_2015

Housing is a mess and you cannot buy yourself out of those non-sense queue: https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...mp;#entry830643

Something strange here, you cannot buy yourself out of this misery. That is strange when you come from America.

In short Trump will be there for three more years, while Sweden will continue its decline for way longer. Irrespective of the salary, Sweden is not a hospitable place for foreign families.
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Sthlm83
post 12.Feb.2018, 10:16 AM
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With 20 years experience as a solution architect I'd expect to receive north of 65k/month before tax, which should leave you with something like 40-42k after tax. That equals about 2 full time average salaries, so while it is enough to live on for a family of three, it would be somewhere on the mid to lower end of the scale of total household incomes in stockholm.
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bat
post 12.Feb.2018, 07:29 PM
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Joined: 16.Jan.2018

QUOTE (Timmer @ 11.Feb.2018, 12:58 PM) *
I've just received a job offer from a reputable international IT company for a job in Stockholm. If I take the job, my wife and young child will come with me. What is a ... (show full quote)


Out of curiosity where in California are you from? I'm currently living in the SF Bay Area but originally from Sweden so I could try and answer some questions.

For salary (based on your experience), you should be looking in the 50-70k SEK/month range (preferably on the higher end of the range in Stockholm), depending on what type of work you will be doing and what company you will be working at.

Keep in mind housing is very expensive in Stockholm. Renting is pretty much out of the question, so you will need to buy. You should be able to find a 2 bedroom 1 bath apartment around a 45 minute commute (via public transit) from the city center for around 2.5m SEK, so you would need a ~ 47,000 USD down payment (usually 15% in Sweden) plus your mortgage and the apartment building fee should be 10-12k SEK/month total (1250-1500 USD/month).
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Timmer
post 13.Feb.2018, 03:33 AM
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Thanks so much to everyone except Wallace. I really appreciate your responses.

I'm guessing Wallace is a member of the Sweden Democrats. I think it's interesting how you referred me to, for example, a Wikipedia page about how "awful" the Swedish education system is, when that page shows that Sweden outranks the US in two out of three categories, and is nearly tied in the third category.
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gsurya
post 13.Feb.2018, 11:15 AM
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Location: Malmö
Joined: 8.Jan.2010

@Timmer : I have a profile similar to yours and started at 50K per month last October, but live in Malmo. Were I to have been based at our Stockholm office, I would have asked for 60K as it is more expensive to live there.

I do expect to go up to 60K/month over the next couple of years given my performance. Also, if you have variable performance pay on top of your base, that can be quite significant. I am on a fixed pay with perks.
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wallace1837
post 13.Feb.2018, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE (Timmer @ 13.Feb.2018, 03:33 AM) *
Thanks so much to everyone except Wallace. I really appreciate your responses.I'm guessing Wallace is a member of the Sweden Democrats. I think it's interesting how ... (show full quote)

Thanks!

If you don't like Wikipedia source, you can just look at the OECD directly: http://www.oecd.org/pisa/ Pay close attention to the category: "Equity - immigrant students".

You may be aware that, in contrast to Sweden, US education is not uniform e.g. https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-2015-United-States-MA.pdf

This is also an interesting read: https://improvingteaching.co.uk/2016/09/11/...-school-system/

If you are willing to move, and are looking for a good place to raise a family, then why look at educations prospective below the OECD average?

Sorry to bring you out of your echo chamber. I would have been really happy to learn about those facts before I moved in Sweden, this would have save me a lot of trouble.

You can hate and ignore me as much as you want, the data I am pointing to is real and will affect your family if you decide to move here. You better know what you are getting into.
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Martian
post 13.Feb.2018, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 13.Feb.2018, 12:11 PM) *
Thanks! If you don't like Wikipedia source, you can just look at the OECD directly: http://www.oecd.org/pisa/ Pay close attention to the category: "Equity - immig ... (show full quote)



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john.boy
post 13.Feb.2018, 07:16 PM
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Location: Stockholm county
Joined: 27.Sep.2017

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 13.Feb.2018, 12:11 PM) *
the data I am pointing to is real

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It's what they don't include in the Pisa report that is the most interesting. For example, China's ranking is much higher than it should be, the Chinese government select which schools are allowed to be included in the Pisa testing biggrin.gif
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