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The reason why some people dislike sweden

Fit-in society that can suffocate you

pepitoAndalucia
post 18.Feb.2019, 06:35 PM
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This is a post I found a while ago. It perfectly summarizes my feelings about sweden and I am pretty sure many out there can see the same.


"Sweden is a country that loves to look good on paper. Reality is less of the polished version they promote outside. I suppose some people who are straight forward and honest dislike this sense of hypocritical silence and the fact that people have less value than the system.

Swedes love cherish and protect the system, it is a socialistic country that as every socialistic country is educated to believe in the truth, goodness and benevolence of the system that will protect them. I suppose people who value the individuals and consider the system something to adapt to people and not the other way around, find the country very hard to appreciate.

I can’t really answer about hate, but you have to swallow a lot if you are not born in the country. If you believe in values like meritocracy, sacrifice and take personal responsibility, you will be mostly outraged once in Sweden.

The pressure is more on a kind of culture in uniform. This is the land of the middle way. If you are not the middle way, this is not home.

So people with personal ambitions, sense of commitment and self responsibility are aliens in Sweden. If you stand out, you are an outcast. If you are invisible you are assimilable and will be absorbed. Otherwise the judgements against you will be merciless. Silently merciless. After all remember that the system is the truth and the system says that everyone is replaceable, so you are replaceable at any time.

You feel often that the belief is not: everyone has the same rights. But everyone who thinks the same way and protects the system has the same rights, all others are just wrong and/or evil.

It is not a country that fits everybody and I am not sharing what I feel about it. It is very much likely that people who hate Sweden are people who put the person in the center and the value of the individual in a matter of meritocracy. That is the opposite of Sweden. If you hate the fact that the system decides about your value according to how invisible and assimilable you can be, and that you have to stress to keep yourself in the middle and never ever stand out, you’ll likely hate Sweden.

There are many people who choose Sweden for the same reason: fearful, unsure, shy, socially incompetent and weak people are very assimilable and many of them choose Sweden to feel protected by the system.

Can quote an episode with a Spanish girl I met that was terrified by everyone in Spain, did not like that people looked at her. She said she was just a little shy girl who wants to stay as invisible as possible. She found heaven in Sweden. Those people adore this country.

Some people like to do like they are told and be given privileges for that, some people experience the fit in mentality as suffocating.

Another example: American engineer who arrived to Sweden and was told now he had to forget his qualifications and start doing humble jobs because in Sweden you don’t do what you are good at, you do what they tell you they need you to do. Struggled 5 years to be acknowledged as an engineer, got his papers done and yet he was repeatedly said: you just can’t expect anybody to care about what you can do. He left the country with very harsh feelings and is being an engineer elsewhere, where he was valued for his qualifications.

Depends on what side of the medal you are.

I find it very understandable that Sweden awakes harsh feelings. It is a tremendously judgmental fit-in society. Fits some, not everyone."
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Svedallas
post 18.Feb.2019, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Feb.2019, 06:35 PM) *
This is a post I found a while ago. It perfectly summarizes my feelings about sweden and I am pretty sure many out there can see the same."Sweden is a country that loves ... (show full quote)


Then leave.

You are obviously miserable.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 18.Feb.2019, 06:56 PM
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Have you moved indoors yet???
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pepitoAndalucia
post 18.Feb.2019, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (Svedallas @ 18.Feb.2019, 07:53 PM) *
You are obviously miserable.


Top quality comment with a tone of passive aggression. Typical day in sweden.

Are you projecting your own misery?. wink.gif
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pepitoAndalucia
post 18.Feb.2019, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 18.Feb.2019, 07:56 PM) *
Have you moved indoors yet???


When will your best country on earth, sweden solve the rental housing market?.

I bet you it will never happen because it's a business model.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 18.Feb.2019, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Feb.2019, 07:00 PM) *
When will your best country on earth, sweden solve the rental housing market?. . I bet you it will never happen because it's a business model.


Why don't you form part of the solution? If you leave there will be one less person standing in line for a rental contract.
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Saywhatwhat
post 18.Feb.2019, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Feb.2019, 07:00 PM) *
I bet you it will never happen because it's a business model.



But renting property is a business...


I understand your frustration. The system is overly controlled. I am also from a system where if you can afford it you have freedom to choose where you want to live. Not how long you have been waiting.

Maybe it’s a Swedish attempt to prevent economic ghettos... oh wait.
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Svedallas
post 18.Feb.2019, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Feb.2019, 06:59 PM) *
Top quality comment with a tone of passive aggression. Typical day in sweden.. Are you projecting your own misery?. wink.gif


Get help pepito.

We dont need to witness your total misery here through your long pathetic posts.

It is a cry for help.

On behalf of many of us hope you find the help you need (and stop flooding the threads).
Find real therapy.

You need it.
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Saywhatwhat
post 18.Feb.2019, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (Svedallas @ 18.Feb.2019, 07:44 PM) *
Get help pepito.We dont need to witness your total misery here through your long pathetic posts.It is a cry for help.On behalf of many of us hope you find the help you need (a ... (show full quote)


Kind of starting to agree.

The people won’t change. The housing system won’t change. What have you been actively doing, pepito, to make your time here better? Have you even been seeking work elsewhere?

Put your effort into finding a secure job back in Spain, or whatever country is ideal to you, rather than putting effort into your posts here.
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Bsmith
post 18.Feb.2019, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Feb.2019, 06:00 PM) *
When will your best country on earth, sweden solve the rental housing market?. . I bet you it will never happen because it's a business model.



The best country in the world is where you are from, eh Pepito? Guess that's why you left.
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john.boy
post 18.Feb.2019, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Feb.2019, 07:00 PM) *
When will your best country on earth, sweden solve the rental housing market?. . I bet you it will never happen because it's a business model.

Sweden doesn't want to break the economy like Spain. And apparently Spain hasn't learned it's lesson. You keep talking about the ease to find rentals, that is because the banks still sit on billions of euros of properties they grabbed from loan defaults back in 2008, which they keep trying to dump via auctions. During the last couple of years studies have shown that there is now a drop in the number of adults, both mature and young 18-24yr olds, saying they intend to rent. And the ownership market is starting to grow again.

Fueling further this no doubt is the first bank, BBVA, to re-introduce the 100% no down payment mortgages that broke the economy before, this time though with even lower interest rates:
https://www.eleconomista.es/banca-finanzas/...a-vivienda.html
How long till they break the economy again?
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pepitoAndalucia
post 18.Feb.2019, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (Svedallas @ 18.Feb.2019, 08:44 PM) *
Get help pepito.We dont need to witness your total misery here through your long pathetic posts.It is a cry for help.On behalf of many of us hope you find the help you need (a ... (show full quote)


Your total misery is living in this forum as your only social life.


QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 18.Feb.2019, 08:55 PM) *
Kind of starting to agree.The people won’t change. The housing system won’t change. What have you been actively doing, pepito, to make your time here better? Have you even ... (show full quote)



True but the world needs to know sweden is a trap. And housing is one of the elements to get people in this trap.

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 18.Feb.2019, 08:58 PM) *
The best country in the world is where you are from, eh Pepito? Guess that's why you left.



Spain has a poor job system but we are not hypocritical passive agressive people who look the other way to problem that affect us.

Just look around you, only passive people looking down. That's not my country.

QUOTE (john.boy @ 18.Feb.2019, 09:01 PM) *
Sweden doesn't want to break the economy like Spain. And apparently Spain hasn't learned it's lesson. You keep talking about the ease to find rentals, that is beca ... (show full quote)



Sweden is an expert at hiding their own problems that includes housing. Your comment is a clear image of that mentality. Your housing system is collapsing and yet you waste your energy in pointing other people's problems when your own country is doing the worst.
Sweden is all about looking the other way while you all have a corrupt housing system that uses rental market as a trap. YES a trap. The second hand market is a trap a corrupt system.

What's going to happen to sweden will be like 2008

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/02...y-85-vacancies/

"Housing Shortage: 636,000 Stockholm Residents in Housing Queue, Only 85 Vacancies"

https://medium.com/scandieland/goldman-sach...is-b16a215413ea

"Goldman Sachs says Swedish property market heading for worst crash since 1990s banking crisis"

https://www.thelocal.se/20170523/european-c...-housing-crisis

"European Commission urges Sweden to tackle housing crisis"


https://www.svensktnaringsliv.se/regioner/h...der_731035.html

"Housing shortage. When the entrepreneurs in Halland County prioritize which measures are most important to improve the business climate, about 40 per cent respond to the need for more housing. The poorly functioning housing market creates problems for the business community. While companies are screaming for workforce, many cannot afford to move there."
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 18.Feb.2019, 09:14 PM
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Have you tried commuting???
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pepitoAndalucia
post 18.Feb.2019, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 18.Feb.2019, 10:14 PM) *
Have you tried commuting???


The problem is. If I move to a second hand contract no matter where I live even if I move in the middle of the forest, I am tied to the same regulations. That means short term contracts. That means that in best case scenario I will be living tops 1 year contract for second hand and in reality most contracts are very short term. I have seen even 3 months contracts, that's misery.
Could you live a normal life having to move every 3/6 months?. That's the reality in sweden.
There is no mobility. ZERO mobility.

First hand, you know it's queuing. And that's keep trying until it happens. it can happen tomorrow or next year or never.

Maybe you have forgotten how swedish system works because you live in the US but the only way to secure an affordable apartment is to buy.

Everybody knows what's happening but everybody who has managed to secure their stay looks the other way because they know it's passive filter to get rid of people.
It's amazing how an entire country can be accomplice of something so clearly corrupt.

Sure I should leave but sometimes that's not an option. Sadly. Life is complicated.

Stop making excuses for something that is designed that way on purpose.
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skogsbo
post 18.Feb.2019, 09:30 PM
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Pep, try the UK. 6 month initial contract, then 1 months notice there after is the norm for pretty much 99% of contracts.
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