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Totally oblvious to tuition

nativeswedishengineer
post 4.Mar.2019, 08:43 AM
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https://www.thelocal.se/20190301/half-of-fo...udied-in-sweden

Contains nuggets such as
"Make it easier for those who have studied in Sweden, paid for by the taxpayer, to stay here and develop in their careers,"

Did these world class competencies totally evade the fact that swedish universities charge tuition? This has been the case since 2011.

"It should be made easier for those who have education and experience in professions where there is a shortage to remain and work in Sweden."

I agree, professions where there is a real shortage. Not a shortage of jobs requiring a master's degree and 5 years of experience offering a wage that a fastfood worker would turn down.
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DuneSunny
post 4.Mar.2019, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 4.Mar.2019, 08:43 AM) *
https://www.thelocal.se/20190301/half-of-fo...udied-in-swedenI agree, professions where there is a real shortage. Not a shortage of jobs requiring a master's degree and 5 ... (show full quote)


I totally agree. There are so many professional branches in Sweden where you are required to have a master's degree a professional exam and 3 to 5 years experience before you can be authorized and then the wage is lees than those flipping burgers. I do not understand why such a small country as Sweden cannot regulate this.
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skogsbo
post 4.Mar.2019, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE (DuneSunny @ 4.Mar.2019, 08:14 AM) *
I totally agree. There are so many professional branches in Sweden where you are required to have a master's degree a professional exam and 3 to 5 years experience before ... (show full quote)

Perhaps because sweden attracts workers from all over the world there is over supply. It's an employers market.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 4.Mar.2019, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Mar.2019, 09:17 AM) *
Perhaps because sweden attracts workers from all over the world there is over supply. It's an employers market.


I wonder why the so by The Local beloved "Centrum För Rättvisa" never argues for swedish laws to be harmonized with those of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh so that we can start taking advantage of the superior lawyers educated there.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 6.Mar.2019, 04:40 PM
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Also, do all the people who today fight for their work permits to be extended due to "small errors" realize what this paves the way for? Next time it will be even poorer and more desperate people, willing to work for even less wages who will migrate to Sweden.
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gsurya
post 7.Mar.2019, 01:19 PM
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Unfortunately for some native swedes whining here everyday, many migrants like me do come into Sweden at higher pay levels than their colleagues because the employer really really wants talent, competence & experience which they are willing to pay for tongue.gif
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nativeswedishengineer
post 7.Mar.2019, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (gsurya @ 7.Mar.2019, 01:19 PM) *
Unfortunately for some native swedes whining here everyday, many migrants like me do come into Sweden at higher pay levels than their colleagues because the employer really re ... (show full quote)


So why are all the sob stories about "invaluable" talent with years of experience working for wages that even a new grad would tell an employer to stuff where the sun doesn't shine then?

Show me a single sob story about "world class" talent earning actuall "world class" wages then.

When a middle of the road MD can earn more than 200k sek per month, that establishes the bar for what can be considered "world class".
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john.boy
post 10.Mar.2019, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE (gsurya @ 7.Mar.2019, 01:19 PM) *
Unfortunately for some native swedes whining here everyday, many migrants like me do come into Sweden at higher pay levels than their colleagues because the employer really re ... (show full quote)

If you have ever signed frame agreements and had companies like HCL & TCS place their employees on your site, you would have a very different view.

Whether those posted workers understand it or not, and many do not, the standard practice is as follows. Pay the average salary in order to get the work permit for th employee. Achieve that with numerous, and I mean numerous, tax deductable benefits/allowances. The foreign (normally indian) worker receives a take home pay far higher than back home, and actually above average of that here in Sweden. The total tax payed for that employee is approx, and this is fact, 10-15% in total!

Not only is the total tax paid into Sweden far less than if a local had been employed, the posted worker will find it very hard to find another employer here in Sweden willing to offer the same take-home pay salary level, so they end up staying with their current employer. The current employer has a practice of rotating back home their staff after approx 3.5 years in order to prevent them being able to receive permanent residency based upon work.
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Case officer
post 10.Mar.2019, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (john.boy @ 10.Mar.2019, 09:42 AM) *
. The current employer has a practice of rotating back home their staff after approx 3.5 years in order to prevent them being able to receive permanent residency based upon work.


Still, many Indians who arrive in Sweden to work for Tata, Capgemini, HCL or Infosys manage to switch to Swedish employers and, in time, are granted permanent residence permits.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 13.Mar.2019, 04:55 PM
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So, just got recommended starting wages (for new grads) from the union of swedish engineers. A starting engineer with a master's degree should ask for 34500:-. Can someone please explain to me then how I am supposed to believe that Ali Omumi, making 35000:- after 15 years of work experience in any way, shape or form represents world-class talent?
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intrepidfox
post 16.Mar.2019, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (gsurya @ 7.Mar.2019, 01:19 PM) *
Unfortunately for some native swedes whining here everyday, many migrants like me do come into Sweden at higher pay levels than their colleagues because the employer really re ... (show full quote)



When will you get it in your thick head that this is an ex pat forum. Idiot.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 17.Mar.2019, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 16.Mar.2019, 02:03 PM) *
When will you get it in your thick head that this is an ex pat forum. Idiot.


gsurya still hasn't managed to provide us with a single "kompetensutvisning" where the person subjected to the "kompetensutvisning" actually earned a world-class wage.
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bonviveur
post 17.Mar.2019, 09:57 AM
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there is no world-class wage for regular person in Sweden, employer will always pay as less as he can get away, stop dreaming.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 17.Mar.2019, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (bonviveur @ 17.Mar.2019, 09:57 AM) *
there is no world-class wage for regular person in Sweden, employer will always pay as less as he can get away, stop dreaming.


I am not the one claiming that work-migrations is exclusively used to bring in "world-class" "irreplaceable" talent.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 20.Mar.2019, 09:16 AM
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gsuyra still hasn't managed to provide a single sob story regarding a "world class" work migrant actually making world-class wages. I think the story can be concluded.
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