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'Outlaw forced marriages in Sweden'

Published: 02 Jun 2009 11:49 GMT+02:00
Updated: 02 Jun 2009 11:49 GMT+02:00

“To be able to marry whoever you want to is actually an important human right. For a large group of young people, that isn’t an absolute certainty,” said Per Nilsson, head of the Swedish National Board for Youth Affairs (Ungdomsstyrelsen), in a statement.

The study, entitled Gift mot sin vilja (‘Married against their will’), was carried out by the youth board at the request of the government as part of a broader effort to highlight “honour-related violence and oppression” in Sweden and was handed over to integration minister Nyamko Sabuni on Monday.

It revealed that around 5 percent of young people in Sweden between the ages of 16- and 25-years-old, or about 70,000 young people, don’t feel they have the ability to choose with whom they want to get married.

In addition, 8,500 young Swedes are concerned that they won’t have any say at all when it comes to choosing a spouse.

“Arranged marriage is connected to norms about virginity and the control of one’s sex life, especially for girls,” said Hanna Linell, who helped carry out the Ungdomsstyrelsen study, in an interview published on the organization’s website.

“The girls’ ability to act freely is limited and boys are raised to control their sisters. These gender-specific expectations impact these young peoples’ life as a whole.”

The youth board submitted a number of suggested legislative changes to the government along with the results of the study.

Specifically, the group wants the government to criminalize child and forced marriages in Sweden and to bolster efforts to offer affected youth advice and counseling.

In addition, Ungdomsstyrelsen wants Sweden to scrap the provision in its marriage laws which allows someone under 18-years-old get married upon receiving permission from a county administrative board.

After receiving the report on forced marriages, Sabuni indicated she was prepared to change Sweden’s laws to counteract the problem.

“We were aware of the figures, but it’s good to have them confirmed so the scope of the problem becomes known. Our mission must be to protect individuals; we can’t let parents marry off their children,” the minister told the Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper.

“It’s such a serious violation of children’s rights that society needs to act.”

While Linell admitted that there are occasions when young people don’t automatically view arranged marriages negatively, she added that it’s easy for problems to arise.

“Problems arise when the young people don’t follow existing rules. Problems also arise when parents don’t let young people influence their own lives in such important questions,” she said.

The study’s results are based on responses to three surveys: one sent by Ungdomsstyrelsen to 6,000 young people ages 16- to 25-years old; a survey of first- and second-year high school students conducted by the National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen); and a survey of Stockholm area ninth graders carried out by Stockholm University.

David Landes (david.landes@thelocal.se)

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12:18 June 2, 2009 by antoniolgj
Well...

You take the guy out of the jungle, but I don't take the jungle out of the guy...
12:19 June 2, 2009 by Nutcracker
Excellent news and the Integration Minister is to be commended. The larger issue is that of Islam's Sharia which impacts seriously upon individual human rights and the jurisprudence of which is antithetical to Western laws and concepts. In Britain, a grave and possibly fatal error has been made in allowing Sharia law any legitimacy whatsoever: Sharia Courts are permitted to rule on 'domestic matters' which is precisely the area of law in which, via the Koran and the aHadith, the female sex is deliberately disadvantaged. The danger in permitting such parallel jurisprudence is that, with growing Moslem enclaves, Sharia would displace the law of the land and endanger the rights of ALL citizens.
12:48 June 2, 2009 by idialogue
Marriages and In EUROPE. like Water on MARS. Around 70% are illegitimate livings couples only in Sverige. If that is Modernity . keep it my friend. According to ex-President Clinton there are almost 90 % born with-out wedlock in US alone..

Islamic Sharia is the First Law in Human History which gives rights Women to Consent for her marriage. Brother Read your (Christian) History .. You used to burn women couple of hundreds years ago . Not so far ..

If any particular Minority sub-asian people do that , you cannot generalize it..

iDialogue
12:52 June 2, 2009 by antoniolgj
"Islamic Sharia is the First Law in Human History which gives rights Women to Consent for her marriage..."

"Nearly 70,000 young Swedes feel they aren't able to freely choose whom they want to marry..."

Mr. iDialogue, are you for real?
13:23 June 2, 2009 by Kaethar
"round 70% are illegitimate livings couples only in Sverige."

It is accepted in Swedish culture not to get married. Most people living unmarried live with a sambo or long-term partner.

"If that is Modernity . keep it my friend."

We will. If you do not like it you shouldn't be living here. Just as if you believe in forced marriages you shouldn't be living here.

"Islamic Sharia is the First Law in Human History which gives rights Women to Consent for her marriage. Brother Read your (Christian) History .. You used to burn women couple of hundreds years ago . Not so far .."

Do I look like I care? I care about how people are treated today.

And I'm a non-Christian, by the way.

"If any particular Minority sub-asian people do that , you cannot generalize it."

And if you don't do it I don't see what your problem is. This law is only a problem for the people who'd break it.
13:29 June 2, 2009 by idialogue
My friend,

Forced marriages.. No one accept that.. As i told above, Islam Never allows Force marriages. That is the custom of some Sub-Continent countries. nothing to relate with Islam.

You adopt what you want my friend If you want your daughters/sisters/Mothers to treat like that . do that ...

IDialogue.
13:32 June 2, 2009 by Iraniboy
Oh dear another self-claimed Sharia law by those who have never expeienced Sharia law except in the articles which are also written by those who have never Sharia law! When will we grow up? Isn't it time to ask the majority of Muslims about what is acceptable in Islam and what is not??! Shouldn't we stop accusing and slander caused by writers who only write ro recieve their pay-checks in their home-address? Why not asking tens of Muslims about it? I'm sorry for Nutcracker and their sort!
13:34 June 2, 2009 by antoniolgj
Mr. iDialogue, Could I ask what brings you to Sweden?
13:39 June 2, 2009 by idialogue
Which bring me in Sweden.. heeh .. I am not immigrant neither my parents. and Neither i will be ever.. :)

You want to raise your daughters in this society . . Yes may be you have accepted that your daughters/sisters/mothers would be victims of the sexual violence. Oh sorry not Violence . It is a "Swedish Culture".

I think you know what Bible Say about "Born without wedlock" ? it start with a Letter B and end with D.. Hope you can guess

Cheers
13:54 June 2, 2009 by Sofia_stockholm
How can you outlaw something which already isn't legal?

Maybe there ought to be some clarification?
13:54 June 2, 2009 by LogicAndBrain
If Sweden is progressive country today, present generation has nothing to be proud off and thinking low for un developed countries is not ethical.

You forefathers did hardwork and thats remarkable, but it has nothing to do with accepting religion or rejecting religion. Its related to ahrd work, honesty, etc.

Muslims were ruling in Education 800 years ago in Spain, it was the center of learning and progression. The religion was the same then also....

keep in mind the way law is needed to run the country, similarly erligion is needed to run the sole. No law tells you to not think bad about your neighbour but religion does.....
14:11 June 2, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
I expect this is because of the difficulty involved in proving thought crime beyond all doubt. Although of course, the desire of religion to punish you not just for your actions but for the thoughts you have and never even carry through is just one reason why it's such a shiloh pitt.

So forced marriage is already illegal? So it should be, although I doubt for one second that means the problem will disappear.
14:16 June 2, 2009 by idialogue
Yes in deed if you read the history of Sweden or of Here in Germany.. You would see that in 40s,50s Ladies were dressed i a very dignified manner. Not like you posters of half naked girls.

Small Question: My Friends , Honestly i am asking this without any offense , Forget about where you from Just Human.

Q1. Would you allow your daughter to appear in a Bikini Ad round the corner ?

Simple Question , and I need simple Answer of above. no debate. My dearest Brothers.
14:19 June 2, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
God made the human body in his own image didn't he, who are you to say it should be covered up? Come to that, who are you to say anything about what I want to wear? If it's not dignified enough for you avert your gaze, I'm buggered if I'm dressing to suit anyone else's taste but my own.
14:24 June 2, 2009 by bolababu
I can bet my head though that these 70,000 Swedes are immigrants with Islamic origins. I wonder why we like to be hypocrites, we see it everyday in areas like Bergjon and Angered in Goteborg, date an Arab or Somalian girl and risk being stabbed to death without warning by her brothers and their friends. It is a hundred times easier to date a Swedish girl without any surprises around the corner.
14:25 June 2, 2009 by magic1964
Those immigrants only accept the rights of swedish welfare societey but reject the duties.....and we all pay high taxes for this....
14:31 June 2, 2009 by Sofia_stockholm
Sure it's illegal! It is illegal to make anyone do anything at all against their will save possibly to make your kid do his homework and eat his vegetables and in some councils even that is questionable.

Forced marriages has, as far as I know, not been legal since the 13th century but I could be mistaken. Obviously arranged marriages were still fairly commonplace amongst landowning families, but they were not allowed to be forced upon the parties.
14:32 June 2, 2009 by Jamtjim
Assuming that she was an adult, I wouldn't be able to have a say anyway so I couldn't not allow or disallow it even if I wanted to.

I dont know about where you come from idialogue, but in Sweden (as well as most modern countries) we dont allow or disallow women to wear what ever they want. Thats just not the way it works. If you are a woman and you want to be in a bikini ad, thats fine. If you dont, well thats fine too. No-one has the right to inflict their will on anyone else. Thats what equality is all about.

I'm not a raving feminist, but I dont like the idea of women being "allowed" to wear something and not "allowed" to wear something else. Who the hell are you to choose for them or decide (rather arbitrarally it seems) what is "dignified" and what is not?
14:33 June 2, 2009 by idialogue
Viking...: I asked a simple question. I am not saying i want you you to dress like this.. Did I ?. If you think this is your taste . it is urs..

Now: Bolababu and Magic..: First if you have bad experience with them or of your family members ........ by them. i cant say .." It is a Swedish Culture" .

As i told above i am not Imigrant nieth i want to Just BTW what does this means.. ? I can make sure that Your ancestors were also immigrant OR they Just pop out from the Earth in LAPLAND ?

Second Brothers you are diverting the topic. We are not discussing the role of Immigrants. Do we.. ?
14:36 June 2, 2009 by magic1964
If I decides to live in a muslim country I wouldn´t dress like here in Sweden, I would try to keep low profile and avoid provocations. But muslim must laugh their head off when they realise how weak and naïve we are....
14:49 June 2, 2009 by idialogue
Nice discussion: Magic/Viking... No offense : There may be many other reason byt Do you think that increasing in Nudity in Europe is one of the reason of increasing Rape cases ?

I am really not offencing , just asking . please answer (dont say that it is the same in the world .. we all know the statistics) Just focus in Europe and please answer .

Thanks in advance
14:58 June 2, 2009 by tigger007
we are talking about muslim issues in a christian state!!

you never let muslims move to a christian state and vice versa!!! if you move to a place make sure that they believe in what you believe in!! too much conflict will come about,if a muslim or christian don't like the laws set by the state. if u are a muslim and u move to a christian YOU must except all laws and not just the ones that u want to obey! as a christian i would never move to a muslim state and try to get the muslim state to adjust to me. i would have to obey their laws and their traditions(which most muslims don't respect here in sweden).why are swedes trying to adjust to muslims traditions and they moved into sweden! if u move into my backyard FUNK DAT! it's may rules or the FUNKING highway!!
14:59 June 2, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
No.
15:00 June 2, 2009 by Mack
Would the islamic fanboys on this thread and I do mean "boys" wish to comment on the following story...

Brother Kills Sister in Honour killing
15:05 June 2, 2009 by Greg in Canada
iDialogue, you're an absolute idiot. May I suggest you actually learn more about Shiara law before you start defending it. We banned it in Canada because it goes entirely against the human rights constitution of our country. You should ban it in Sweden also. If any Muslims object then escort them to the airport with a one way ticket back to their country of origin.
15:13 June 2, 2009 by tigger007
aslo i have noticed that when muslims move to the U.S.A.

they don't cause all these problems that they cause in sweden. they quickly adjust to american laws and respect our traditions(they may NOT like it but they do it).muslims quickly educate themselves and set up functioning communities. they don't FUNK UP and mess around like the ones here in europe and their kids are never in trouble with the law,but here it's a different story and i know why.american's we aren't having that.if u disrespect u might get a foot in the anus. sweden get a stiff upper lip and let these people know play time is over! SWEDEN! this is your backyard you make the rules!! like i typed before,if u can't live by the state rules that govern you! GET THE FUNK OUT!!
15:16 June 2, 2009 by DAVID T
If it is outlawed like it is in the UK then the parents will send their children abroad to get married. Then they can bring their husbands back so we end up with even more immagrants that don't want to live by Swedish law but are quite happy to accept the states handouts.
15:17 June 2, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
What about Muslims born in Sweden then?
15:21 June 2, 2009 by Puffin
Why is everyone jumping to the conclusion that this is Muslim/female problem?

I have know 3 people in the UK whose parents had planned forced marriages - none were muslim:

2 were Hindhu - one male aged 30 & one female aged 19

1 was from a girl from a fundamentalist Christian group aged 16

I think that the main issue here is how to enforce the existing law? Forced marriage is already illegal however how can the Swedish authorities determine in which cases the consent is informed or forced? How can the Swedish authorities determine the nature of marriages that take place outside of Sweden?
15:24 June 2, 2009 by unkle strunkle
THIS happened in Buffalo, New York last February...

http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html
15:33 June 2, 2009 by Mack
Hi Puffin. I know lots of Hindu/Sikh people in arranged marriages... some of them are happy... some of them, not so much. I think it quickly became a Muslim/Female issue because of some of the Muslim posters on this site.
15:45 June 2, 2009 by Braderunner Rennuredarb
Puffin - I think a lot of people are forgetting about the Hindu and Christian fundies since we frequently see posts about Islamic judges refusing to grant a divorce for the marriage between an 8-year old and a 35 year old. Yes, some of the Christian fundies, Hindus, and Muslims are guilty of this - and this crap should stop. Unfortunately, it wont because of the overwhelming ignorance common among the offenders.

And Btw - Editor Bob - if you are reading this (and if anyone else could please smack Editor Bob about this) - Please read your bloody email regarding the problems I am having with posting comments to the board.
16:00 June 2, 2009 by mobings
I love a society which exercise freedom of choice , I mean imagine a brother is marrying his own sister, because they both like it and by the way who the hell should stop them, and under which justification? where it is written that brother and sister can not marry if they do not follow any religion? Will this cruel world will let them to live peacefully?

I hope my above non-sense analogy give some sense to many non-sense who are dragging religion in this discussion.
16:03 June 2, 2009 by VikingHumpingWitch
Far as I've heard, human society has always* held incest as taboo because of the massively increased likelihood of genetic defects in any offspring of such a union. What that has to do with outlawing forced marriage I confess I do not know, although for the record I disapprove of forcing anyone to marry their sibling.

* with exception of some redneck states in the US
16:07 June 2, 2009 by Jamtjim
Why does it need to be written down at all? I dont want to marry my sister and I dont believe in any of that religious nonsense. Just because something is written down in a book doesnt make more or less morally correct now does it!!
16:19 June 2, 2009 by voidplay
Just some corrections

Arranged marriage NOT EQUAL to Forced marriage

--- It happens very very often only with Consent it is more like online dating than ofline dating.

--- It disappeared in Europe only few decades ago with increasing working women and sexual liberation. 'Life is beautiful' has forced marriage

--- Arranged marriage is making a come back with online dating ....

--- Yes forced marriages need to go

** MOVIES make you think Arranged == forced just like US== freedom

MachoMan == Rambo SexyWomen==Skeletons Leader== Bush (rofl)
16:39 June 2, 2009 by vladd777
At the end of the day being Swedish means having free choices whether they are right or wrong.

Accept it or move on.

We as parents need to know that there comes a time when we have to let our children take over their own lives!

If the foundation is good then the choices will also be good for the most part.
16:41 June 2, 2009 by magic1964
Solsjenitsyn the russsian writter once said: "happy like a communist living in a free capitalist country"...

Now we can say: "happy like a muslim living in a Christian country".
17:08 June 2, 2009 by odinmp5
-no matter your faith, NO FORCED MARRIAGES.!!

-No matter your faith, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

If you are in sweden, go with the flow...!

If you dont like it..LEAVE!!!!!
17:10 June 2, 2009 by Mack
Define this please. I know a Sihk women who refused an arranged marriage. Her entire family disowned her and pressured her until she "agreed" to marry their pick. She held out for about 12 months. I have a Muslim friend (guy) who went through a similar situation... resistance and then it gets kind of lonely if family is important to you.
17:14 June 2, 2009 by magic1964
You have to compare a society like a mayonaise or chantilly.......you need the rights ingredients , the rights amount and the right cook. But Im afraid we got too many wrong ingredients now...
17:29 June 2, 2009 by Norum
In response to idialogue...think before you make a comment.

You said that Christians used to burn women a few centuries back. That was then and we cant change history.

But look what Muslims are doing nowadays - wanting to kill everyone who says anything against Islam, "honour killings", kidnappings, beheadings etc

And we are talking about the present day...how bad is that?
17:38 June 2, 2009 by magic1964
Many people think they are tolerant but they are not....they are just indiferent.
17:56 June 2, 2009 by occassional
It's those lot again...behind every weird, cranky, peculiar, twisted (you name it) and/or illogical story you can bet your bottom dime you'll find the followers of a creed that seems to be is stuck somewhere between a goat and a carpet. The real mystery though, is why do Swedes have to put up with this on home turf. I will never understand either of the two!
18:02 June 2, 2009 by Xzion
Dont belame Islam again & Again & Again.

Read quran Chapter 4 AN-NISA (WOMEN). which gives inharitance rights and fredom to coose.

Wrong with Swedish culture is they destory Families, women emotions and sestivity as mother & daughter, dont give inharatance rights of property, leglise prosicution and misuse of women.

Wrong with Arabian Culture is that they force merrages, hounor killing, kidnapings, take advantage of male dominance.
19:07 June 2, 2009 by Norum
Xzion - but, unlike in Muslim countries, women here can choose what they need and want, which is pretty much unheard of in the Muslim world.

The way I see it, if a person wants to immigrate to another country, do your homework first and learn about the country first. If you come here, live by the rules of the country, dont try to implement views in your own country here.

If a person can't adjust to the live in here, noone is stopping you to move back to wherever you came from.
19:34 June 2, 2009 by Nemesis
Forced marriage is sick. Those imposing it should be deported imediately, wihtout exception no matter waht they face in there country of origin.

When people migrate to Europe, from Middle East or fundementalist christians, such as Opus Dei, they should swear an oath to uphold all European human rights conventions, on women's rights, equality, abortion, sexual orientation, children's rights etc.

If they don't swear it, immediately put them on a plane at there own expense back to there own country, or preferably bill there country for it.
20:35 June 2, 2009 by mkvgtired
VikingHumpingWitch, that is a stereotype. I do not live in the south but I know that no states allow siblings to marry.

idialogue, you are using random statistics that have not been proven to be correlated by anyone. The fact that there are increased nude images on TV in Europe is completely arbitrary. You could also say, do you think the fact that there is an increased level of immigration from countries that follow Sharia Law contributes to the increased level of rapes?
20:46 June 2, 2009 by Nutcracker
One of the most seriously negative effects of forced marriages on the individuals and the national society is that these marriages are usually of first cousins along the paternal blood line (consanguinity), thus producing recessive genes leading to far higher proportions of birth defects.Br Health Ministers have already aired their view that such marriages are unacceptable and should be forbidden by law. Over 55% of Br Moslems marry their first cousins (this is also the world-wide average among Moslems); although only 3.4% of total pop, Br Moslems account for 30% of all birth defects nationally.http://vladstepesblog.com/?p=277
20:59 June 2, 2009 by depapabear
Idialogue, "According to ex-President Clinton there are almost 90 % [ OF WHOM??? ] born with-out wedlock in US alone.." Certainly, not all American children! And where, in what source, did he allegedly say this, please?
21:01 June 2, 2009 by 7
puffs, you're too sane for the majority of this lot. i don't know any forced marriage people, but many of the jewish and armenian people i know have a lot of stress to only marry "their own".

enforcement of a law is always the crux of its success. an unenforceable law is not worth the time to debate it.
21:25 June 2, 2009 by Cicina
Should you move to another country you should try to become part of it and respect its laws and culture. There are, however, people from countries where it is dangerous and awful to live in who seek refuge in another country. While Sweden and other countries welcome such people and offer them a safer place to bring up their families, it really is important for both them, their children and the country of refuge to integrate. I can understand it may remain difficult to fully mold into a new culture especially when it is so radically different to your own. The way you are brought up and certain "values" can be so strongly imprinted in you that even if you have the best intentions at heart, you will find it tough to integrate. The point it though that... YOU MUST! The morality over this side of the ocean is to respect human rights. And that's that. You can look for millions of excuses and ways to explain your way of thinking.. we get it, we understand it, but you still have to adapt.
21:26 June 2, 2009 by Iftakhar
I just wanna say, "Erase the forced marriage from this plannet".

ISLAM gives the full rights to the male/female to choose their partner. Forced marriage is a big sin in ISLAM.
22:20 June 2, 2009 by dtes
reading the posts here , i must respond to idialogs stupidity about rape stats being related to how women dress! see this is why i am not fond of living amongst people like you, its also why my wife carries double edged diving knife which she has been trained how to use to quickly end the life of the first vermin who gets in her bubble, i come from a culture where EVERYONE is FREE to seek and BE them self as long as they dont hurt another. how a person dresses doesnt determine whether or not a person should be raped. your comments repulsive, & you have the nerve to say islam gives FREEDOM to women, islam like the other two abrahamic faiths is an outdated old book of lies written by con artists hungry for POWER over people at any cost. IF YOU DISLIKE US & OUR CULTURE SO MUCH THEN YOU NEED TO STOP FEEDING OFF US & LEAVE, GO TO A SHARIA CONTROLLED COUNTRY DONT BRING IT HERE, YOU TAKE YOUR SO CALLED PROFIT AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASSSSS NOT DOWN OUR THROATS!
22:29 June 2, 2009 by Mack
have you searched youtube
22:44 June 2, 2009 by Gustav- Fælbönnran
Billy Jeff meant 90% of his children.
23:01 June 2, 2009 by Eurostan
everyday one news in sweden about or related to muslims and ends up in lot of responses from opposing and supporting muslims.

there are many immigrants from china vietnam and south america. they never made any controversial things like muslims are doing in sweden or denmark or uk.

i read in some scraps that sweden has highest rapes and islam and shariaw law is only can prevent these rapes.

many children are born without wedlock islamic rules are better for sweden.

IT IS LIKE MAD MAN THINK THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE MAD.
23:19 June 2, 2009 by Puffin
I agree that family pressure/disapproval can also be on a fine line - I think it exists in all culture and religions but is just not talked about

One Methodist friend was forced to convert to Judaism in order to become an "acceptable" wife.

Pressure is also very high in some Christian communities

- My boss in Northern Ireland was made to remove her child from school as the school refused to guarantee the saftey of a child with a Catholic name given that she "had chosen to marry out of the faith"

-I was also a witness once for a Catholic anullment (long story) where family expectations/pressure to marry was one of the reasons for granting it
23:29 June 2, 2009 by Xzion
your way of expression tells me a lot about your culture and psychoo freedom which is nothing more then slavery of social system, and you feel dieing on your every need like animals, above all this plague of freedom has taken everything from you. and i know YOUR EU history of so called freedom and the way you treat your parents in different times or may be you don't know them.

i recommend you to do some research on Islam and try to recognize freedom of women, as i said above i don't believe on so called Sharia but Islam is fastest growing religion among US especially in Women of west. explore the internet, do your best to deny but come with valid reasons not with you psychoo mind and culture.
23:38 June 2, 2009 by Puffin
was this post aimed at me?
00:10 June 3, 2009 by Palestinian
I noticed in the last days a a big attacks against immigrants and Muslims.

I lived in Gaza almost all my life and I did not face even 7 girls who had forced to marriage!!!

In Islam the father or the brother has no rights to enforce his daughter!!

People who talk about their taxes money should do some thing better!

They should help to improve the worst integration system in the world!

Do not think that immigrants are so happy with the (change) they get from social welfare!

You should ask your self why most of them do not work??

Is it possible that the system is perfect and all of them are bad!!!

There is bad people but only stupied and racist person can call a whole group as a bad people!!
00:12 June 3, 2009 by Kind Man
Day by day the doctors and scientists they are slowly getting convinced for what Quran and Islam have said.

Islam is the solution for humanity and If you read Holy Quran you would think it was written yesterday. it gives you all answers.

I also read news about wearing tight jeans could harm girls n boys. LOL

If you are smart enough you would pick a Holy quran and start reading it. this would help you understand how things work :)

Peace :)
02:23 June 3, 2009 by carmel
i wonder how many of those who have read a lot of spew from 'kind man' and 'idialogue' (a.k.a. 'my friend') have changed their views in favor of islam? (my guess...ZERO)

now, of those readers, who have gone the other way and have actually been turned off (maybe even more?) compliments of the likes of 'kind man' and 'idialogue'? <insert a picture of me raising my hand here>

way to go, my friends...peace!
02:59 June 3, 2009 by Omaro
Norum

Do you mean support those guys who said:

http://www.thelocal.se/18536/20090330/
08:44 June 3, 2009 by KnowledgeIsPower
I used to be worried that Swedes were ignoring problems in the country. But after reading the posts on human rights related stories such as this one and the child education story, I'm not worried anymore. It looks as though Sweden has decided to stop bending over backwards, and instead work towards ending human rights violations commonly seen in some foreign cultures. I think Swedish culture will prevail, and the human rights to choose your partner and learn about gender related issues shall remain.

And the PP seems to be heading to the EU. Goes to show that there truly is hope for a yet better tomorrow.

Goodbye
08:44 June 3, 2009 by bekililly
i think that this an open forum to share concrete ideas and not to come and talk about unwanted laws that rules people instead of people to rule over the law they made.marriage has nothing so important to me, where ever you come from. so far you are free and be able to do the right thing.nobody should be enslave to marriage because of his or her religions. if you believe in your religion, dressing has nothing to do with people life,you don't have to cheat on your wife or marry more than one woman, Muslim or christian.everyone know the truth about love and cheating. or how people dresses. there is a word that i think that qualified everything. WHEN YOU ARE IN ROME , YOU BEHAVE LIKE A ROMA. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE.if you are not satisfied staying in Sweden THEN move to where they have sharia law!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and stop stupid complain about having kid outside marriage, way people dresses
10:04 June 3, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
I think the only thing they should force people would be TO STUDY ENGLISH GRAMMAR! For God's or whatsoever sake!!!!
10:13 June 3, 2009 by Norum
Omaro, to a point, yes. I just think SD will deal with the real trouble makers.

If an immigrant or a refugee doesn't want to live by and obey Swedish law...out they go.

Sweden can not bend in towards the outsiders, otherwise this will be the end.
10:30 June 3, 2009 by Göran Koch-Swahne
To iDeialogue and other ingnoramuses:

Living together, sharing Bed and Home is the ancient Law of the Land from times immemorial. It was changed, preciesely in Modernity 1915/1920, to be exact.

From the 1980ies this is slowly coming back, but I remind you that up to 1 January 1918 a "Vigsel", marriage ceremony, wasn't needed for the couple to be reckoned, in Law and Society, as a Couple, making the children lawful and full Heirs.

All it took was the consequential thing, that the Father attended the childrens Baptism and that the Couple were sharing Bed and House,

living thogetner is still the norm, but was outlawed by the so called Children's laws in 1915, effective 1/1 1918. Now you know!
11:13 June 3, 2009 by Norum
Sorry Omaro, didnt read the whole article properly the first time.

It is wrong to compare refugees to dogs liek some of the SDs representatives did, but on the other hand, the truth must be told and the truth is that a lot of the refugees from poor and war torn countries have a lot of parasites and other diseases.

So there, I said it.

Call me racist all you want, but this is about the freedom of speech, not being racist.
12:29 June 3, 2009 by davidsn
This article mentions 70,000 young Swedes who aren't able to freely marry, but mentions nothing about who these 70,000 are. Yet many commentors are jumping to (racist) conclusions.

Be reminded that there are many arguments both for and against arranged marriages. I used to naively believe that a pre-arranged marriage was "inhumane," but I've now had friends explain the benefits to me. (plus I have attended some pre-arranged weddings)

Today, I better undertand the family, cultural and historical reasons for the pre-arranged marriage. As my friend Raj explains, when your parents choose, you don't have to waste time and energy on "the dating scene," and you can focus your efforts on your education, friends, hobbies and career.

Lastly, the article mentions that "It's such a serious violation of children's rights that society needs to act." But is it not also a violation of people's rights, that a society enforces the rules of marriage?
12:41 June 3, 2009 by 7
you wanna get rid of jews too?
12:42 June 3, 2009 by Sofia_stockholm
I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of arranged marriages as long as all parties are involved in arranging them. To force someone into a marriage is another cup of tea entirely. Sadly I suspect that there is some kind of force involved far too frequently in arranged marriages, though. There may not be someone literally yielding an axe over your head, but when your parents make it clear to you that unless you go along with their decision you will have no place in the family and in the home, or within your congregation the force is no less real.
15:24 June 3, 2009 by Mack
This has been my observation. I am not sure how black and white the line is between arranged and forced marriages... I think it is a slippery slope. To Puffin's point I have seen males pushed into marrying someone they really didn't want to as well... it is not just a female issue.
21:14 June 3, 2009 by DouglasG
I wish we had some serious comments from those who have have been forced into marriage.

I have personal friends that have been involved in arranged marriages... from Pakistan, Malasia, India, S. Korea, and Thailand. The only one that was Muslim was the Pakistani. The India couple remains happily married, and the one from Thailand is hanging in there.
21:33 June 3, 2009 by Norum
Well, of course, it does work sometimes...but only sometimes...

then again, look at Apu and Manjula Napasahasa...whatever....from the Simpsons...theirs turned out to be ok....lol
22:24 June 3, 2009 by Muad'Dib
This has also been reported on in the Slovak radio, in their foreign press coverage.
02:13 June 4, 2009 by jimmyjames
If you keep allowing all these non-ethnic Swedes and no -Europeans into your country this type of thing will continue to grow exponentially. The very reason why Sweden has such a highly advanced society is because it was created by SWEDES, not by some multi-ethnic,multi-racial, multi-religious, predominently muslim country. The mere fact that any human being living in the 21st century would think that arranged marriage is in any way acceptable should tell you all you need to know about how dangerous that person truely is at their core. Any so-called religion that is totalitarian in nature is exactly like the nazis, the communists, North Korea, and similar situations/countries/people. Just as the nazis were destroyed, the communist Russians beaten, so too must these totalitarian religions. Freedom of choice is at the essence of all human FREEDOM.
04:47 June 4, 2009 by Greg in Canada
Sweden has been incredibly naive in regards to immigration policy. How does a mostly homogeneous society that took hundreds of years to culturally develop suddenly supposed to become "multicultural" in a few decades. Wishful thinking from some political policy makers living in fantasyland. You've certainly created your own social problems due to these policies, and they're probably going to get worse. Admit it - You've f*cked it up.

Arranged marriages have existed around the world, even in Europe a couple of centuries ago, but they have no place in a modern western society. In many cases these "marriages" are being used as a way to slip quicker through the immigration system.
08:18 June 4, 2009 by apostolos1975
You are OBVIOUSLY joking. Can you give us one, no more, just one where a scientist confirmed any claims NOT only from the Quran but any other "holy" book.
08:26 June 4, 2009 by apostolos1975
Would you care to share some arguments "for" arranged marriages? Because my low capacity brain can not think of any "reasonable" argument. Unless we are talking about family ties and keeping family property inside the family.

Please do enlighten us.
14:39 June 4, 2009 by Nutcracker
apostolos1975: They're "forced marriages", not arranged, and PC aside, these are predominantly Moslem and the 'family ties' is exactly what makes them so debilitating to the individuals involved, their offspring, and the society which has to deal with the results of disproportionately high mental and physical birth defects from these consanguinous marriages. This is the case in Britain, throughout the Middle East and I've since seen statistics re Denmark's Moslems which confirms the same pattern.

http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=277 has links to reports in British Daily Mail and Telegraph and Ministers' recommendations that forced marriages be outlawed for just this reason.
16:38 June 4, 2009 by Muttlestar Galactica
Why is it everything you write sounds like a sleazy lie from a low-rent market trader?
16:57 June 4, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
... methinks this time I'm gonna cheat'em...
17:29 June 7, 2009 by lingonberrie
I have tried twice to get my comment through and each time an USER ID or disallowed second comments rejects my comment. Having been re-directed to this forum cite, I am again attempting to post my comment.

Bergjon and Angered events in Goteborg as commented upon here is a direct result of Sharia Law. When Sharia Law is "that Islam gives the full rights to the male-female to choose their partners. Forced marriage is a big sin in Islam," (sic) as commented here seems ingenuious when juxtaposed with honor killings, covering the female from head-to-toe, denying education and the ghastly female genital mutilations. So which of this is the truth and which is simply obfuscating justification for propagating an aberration that has no right to exist in Germanic countries and especially in Sweden?

I agree that either you adapt or that you never come to Sweden and that you leave when you do not adapt. You cannot have the good life of Sweden and spit on their culture.
00:56 July 6, 2009 by Stuart Parsons
Islam is NOT a religion it is a cult. The Qur'an, Sunnah, Hadiths and Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah all clearly demonstrate that Muhammad was a pathological narcissist.

He had delusions of grandeur. He claimed he was receiving messages fom God via the Angel Gabriel. No one was ever present to witness the arrival of these messages and not surprisingly the messages ceased when Muhammad died. In the 1400 years since the death of Muhammad, in spite of the conflicts within Islam, God has not deemed it necessary to send any further messages to his fanatical worshipers. One would have thought he would have wanted to help and advise his most devoted adherents what to do about Israel. Islam is false from top to bottom. As Bertrand Russell said "The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence whatsoever that it is not utterly absurd."
09:48 July 6, 2009 by DidiE
I am curious about the statement here that inheritance rights are evidence that Islam favours women, compared to Western societies. That MAY have been true several centuries ago, but I am not aware of any society in the West that currently treats female offspring any differently than male offspring, when it comes to inheritance. Does anyone have any concrete evidence, from a reliable non Koranic source, that can demonstrate that Islam is better than a western legal system, in terms of inheritance rights?
20:34 July 6, 2009 by Kaethar
It's not from our viewpoint. Most muslims compare Islamic law to pre-Islamic Arabian law and past Western law to prove how "great" Islamic inheritance law is. Generally speaking in Islam a son will be entitled to twice as much as a daughter which does not fit in well with Western society today.
02:02 May 25, 2010 by freedomcharity
Freedom is a new charity that has been established to save the lives of vulnerable children in the UK who are at risk of, or are subjected to, Forced Marriage and 'dis-honour' based violence. More information is available on the website at http://www.freedomcharity.org.uk/
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