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Local Sweden Democrat: 'ban' practicing Muslims

Published: 11 Sep 2010 14:07 GMT+02:00
Updated: 11 Sep 2010 16:45 GMT+02:00

“I don’t think someone should be allowed to be a practicing Muslim in Strömsund,” Sweden Democrat Mikael Säbom said on Thursday during a live election debate broadcast on Sveriges Radio Jämtland.

Since 2006, the town of just over 4,000 residents has taken in scores of Muslims from Uzbekistan in the wake of a 2005 crackdown by Uzbek government troops in Andijan in which hundreds of protesters were killed, although the exact number of casualties remains in dispute.

At the time of the incident, known as the Andijan massacre, the Uzbek government claimed the demonstrations were organized by the Islamic radicals.

Strömsund has seen a rise in hate crimes, from racist graffiti to the burning down of a mosque in the city two years ago.

Säbom, who stands at the top of the Sweden Democrats’ list of candidates for election to the local council, later refused to elaborate on his comments when approached by the newspaper.

A spokesperson from the Sweden Democrats headquarters in Stockholm claimed that Säbon’s comments had been “misinterpreted”, but added that the party stands behind the politician’s argument.

One of Strömsund’s estimated 150 practicing Muslims who wished to remain anonymous told Aftonbladet he’s “very worried” about the Sweden Democrats gaining seats in the Riksdag.

The party’s number two candidate in Strömsund, Peter Dahlsted, nevertheless remained upbeat about the Sweden Democrats' prospects, claiming that the influx of Muslims from Uzbekistan was a major driver for growth in the party’s support locally.

“Many come up to us and dare to say what they think,” he told Aftonbladet.

“It mostly has to do with the Uzbeks; that they’re disruptive in one way or another.”

David Landes (david.landes@thelocal.se)

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15:20 September 11, 2010 by wotist
Would this be the same Strömsund where SFI was gender-segregated with the female attendants sitting behind a screen out of respect for some of the (male) participants religious practices? I did read a bit about that, including about the woman of South American origin who refused to abide by that and decided to sit up front with the men. The harassment she received sounded a bit like a "hate crime" to me. The case was reported to the DO (Discrimination Ombudsman) who decided yet again that "Freedom of Religion" thumps gender discrimination.

Gender-segregation should be banned, even if someones religion says otherwise.
15:43 September 11, 2010 by Uncle
I am sorry, what is this article? This David Landes is very good in skipping some important stuff:

"Starting in 2006, the town of with just over 4,000 residents has taken in scores of Muslim from Uzbekistan who were persecuted for their Muslim beliefs in their homeland, the Aftonbladet newspaper reports."

Knowing the "professionalism" of the great Aftonbladet journalists, we carefully open Wikipedia and read: "Islam is by far the dominant religion in Uzbekistan, as Muslims constitute 90% of the population according to a 2009 US State Department release."

We also read that this MUSLIM state has problems with other religions: "The Office of Public Information of Jehovah's Witnesses has documented several cases with imprisonment for teaching religion [in Uzbekistan]"...."Forum 18,... has documented raids by Uzbek police in which participants in unregistered religious services were beaten, fined, threatened and intimidated."

So, these muslims were persecuted for practicing Islam in a muslim state? If I would be this David Landes, I would go and submit resignation letter right now.

Reading on:

"Since then, Strömsund has seen a rise in hate crimes, from racist graffiti to the burning down of a mosque in the city two years ago."

So muslims came, nothing happened.... they were perfectly OK.... and all of a sudden they start to be attacked out of the blue... Interesting. Mmm. According to the following P4 investigation, these Uzbeks do not feel that it is important for their kids to study and they demand from kids to miss school whenever there is a prayer time. I am SURE that these people are raising the future executive officers of swedish banks and industry.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=78&artikel=3240256

I just hope that lack in good grades would not stop these Uzbeks to sue the companies for discrimination when they cannot find a job.
16:31 September 11, 2010 by Spyronic
What the local and Socialdemocratic sensationalist newspaper Aftonbladet doesn't mention is that those Uzbeks were arrested in their country because they were members of an extreme islamist party called Hizb ut Tahrir that wants to establish an islamic dictatorship in Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan although being a muslim country is still ruled by a communist dictatorship who is not a big fan of crazy islamist with links to Al Qaeda. Aftonbladet likes to take things out of proportion, the Sweden Democrats are against islamization and non-western immigration but they are not racist they want immigrants who come here to assimilate and adjust to their new country. Why doesn't the local mention that a Sweden Democrat in Malmo was stabbed by left wing extremists in his own apartment after the left wing extremists had distrupted their meeting in the town square?
16:41 September 11, 2010 by calebian22
83% Sunni, 5% Shia, 9% percent Eastern Orthodox, 3% other. Must have been those pesky 1000 Jews who are left in Uzbekistan who are the problem.
16:55 September 11, 2010 by bbryan29
As an American, you can decide to make your own laws as see wish but sadly if this is done it will cause more trouble then would be wanted,look at whats going on in america now, this CRAZY MAN in the state of FLORDIA, look at what outrage he has caused world wide with his crazy idea, just be careful thats all i ask

brian ballew

bbryan28@aol.com
16:56 September 11, 2010 by Roy E
One should not have to engage in willful blindness in order to offer a defense of religion or a people, but alas, it is what is is and it does have an earned reputation.
17:14 September 11, 2010 by Iraniboy
Yeah Ban them then you can either send them to Landskrona to a guy who can reprogramme their genetic codes or send them to Florida and burn them altogether!!
17:23 September 11, 2010 by cowboykodp
To all the chiken-hawks that seen to post on this site none stop;

1) Get a life

2) Keep provoking the the tiger but don't be surprised when he turns around and bites your head off.

3) Do something useful, like join the military.

SD are bunch of pussies, just like ya'll.
17:58 September 11, 2010 by Toffee_apple
Instead of saying that groups like the Democrats are doing the wrong thing or it's wrong for a bunch of Chistian worshippers in Florida to burn a koran, why don't people look at the bigger picture? Why do anit-muslim groups form in the first place? What drives people to want to burn a koran or draw a picture of mohammed?

If muslims are so peaceful and loving as they say they are why can't they keep to themselves like other groups do, such as Catholics, South Americans, Russians, Africans, etc. It doesn't take much to offend them nowadays. It seems ok for them to call us the infidel (amongst other things), burn US and other western flags or compare girls who wear short skirts to raw meat (like a cleric did in the country I'm from), but as soon as a non-muslim wants to discard a koran or draws a picture of mohammed it's outright discrimination!

I admire the Democrats for taking initiative in their cause, but I just think they're not going about it the right way when you take a closer look at this group and what they do/believe in. But someone has to do it don't they? The other parties are weak as water. I also admire the dude in Florida. I just can't understand why so many leaders are "outraged" considering what muslims do and say about other countries. If they took a look at the big picture they would see that muslims are the provocative ones.

To cowboykodp: nobody's forcing you to read any comments here, are they? What a boring life you must lead :(
19:11 September 11, 2010 by bheatrix
media is media, the majority of journalists in sweden vote for miljöpartiet. how can anyone with any mind of their own vote for a party that does not have any political agenda at all, except the closing of our powersupply.

anyway point beeing this new is probaly a big fat lie written by a miljöpartist who is afraid the populistic miljöpartiet will finally get knocked out of the government by a party that the people actually vote for. because i guess it's democratic for a party to get in to the riksdag if they get more votes? isn't this what democracy is?
20:04 September 11, 2010 by To The Point
SD.. Social Destruction!
20:19 September 11, 2010 by calebian22
I welcome the tiger to try.
20:48 September 11, 2010 by The Rabbi
Its coming out now all the hate, the turnips cannot keep it in. They love to hate
21:02 September 11, 2010 by truthworthy
So foolish Americans come to The Local to whine about their hatred towards Muslims, you bigoted people should just shut up and stay away from the way of life in Sweden .

Swedes are tolerant people except a few such as this idiot in this article.
21:32 September 11, 2010 by Dr Love
I do not what the Muslims did to them which these Lovely Human from SD all of sudden starts picking up on Muslims?

Seems like the Mosad is funding and got insides SD, Please check their incomes and see if something is going on?
21:42 September 11, 2010 by Uncle
Did cowboy just threaten people? Did he just do this?

Way to go cowboy boy. I just hope that when the tiger bites off the heads of people, it will not disturb him to scream about some peaceful religion while chewing...
03:57 September 12, 2010 by ceddy
I have a few muslim friends and while I believe that it is a peaceful religion, I also believe that a lax western society will always clash with the faith. Islam teaches alot of great things but the laws within the faith will continue to divide cultures. Some ppl truly believe that you cannot follow a faith unless you completely immurse yourself within that faith. The things we westerners will never understand like woman having to cover their hair, face, legs and arms. It's those types of laws that we have issues with because when it is brought into our culture, we see it as treating women as 2nd class citizens. So when your bring that way of life into ours we go whoa, stop the car, thats not right. No offense to your religion but this is the USA, Canada, Sweden, etc she should be allowed to take that burka off without threat or being outkasted.
13:29 September 12, 2010 by Uncle
Yep Dr Love. No other reason of wanting extreme muslims out, but the sponsoring of Mossad. I bet that Mossad sponsors the escape of all of these millions of muslims from muslim states also.
13:48 September 12, 2010 by Swedesmith
And so the debate rages on fueled by the likes of cowboy who wants to unleash the tiger. Perhaps I'm no better. I'm all for live and let live and believe people should practice whatever religion they choose to follow. But when a certain religion brands all others as infidels and worthy of only slavery or death, I do take offense to that.
14:31 September 12, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
“the influx of Muslims from Uzbekistan was a major driver for growth in the party’s support locally.”

We know that the Alliance does not want to have anything to do with Sweden Democrats, even if the SD polls about 7% , which I think they will. But right now, the Alliance is still the government and so what do Minister for Justice Beatrice Ask, Minister for Migration and Asylum Policy and Minister for Employment, Tobias Billström and Minister for Integration and Gender Equality, Nyamko Sabuni , have to say about all this ?These sporadic oddball statements issuing from the fringe lunatic elements of the Sweden Democrats have a consistency which the leadership takes a politically correct distance to, but nonetheless some of these statements are believed to give the party its xenophobic and anti-Islam and racist aura which is the recruiting ground for those voters who would like the party to say something even stronger, something like the title of Sven Lindqvist's study of racism, with words from Conrad's “Heart of Darkness” : “ Utrota varanda jävel”/ “Exterminate every bastard” - the bastards of course being the sort of people that the racist lunatics do not like.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&...anda+j%C3%A4vel

In my view either you allow the Sweden Democrats full political Party Rights, include them in TV debates or you ban them on constitutional grounds and take up each and every case of “hets mot folkgrupp” / hate Speech which is contrary to the democratic spirit of the Swedish people – who after all at nine million are a very tiny minority of the some 6 billion souls, made in God's image and likeness that makes up the World's population, in 2010.

And a simple question: Where would Sweden be without the outside world? Which Swede did not come from Africa? Those created and controlled by the gods of Norse mythology ?

This latest scandalous statement has its roots in ignorance , the base instinct of xenophobia, of fear - not love, of the other.

I can quite understand the about 4,000 inhabitants of the village of Strömsund, feeling a little threatened or uncomfortable about being swarmed by a mere 150 practising Muslims who they may believe have the potential to convert all of them to Islam and jihad, take their women, put a hijab on them and cover them up with a burqa, get them to desert pork ( the best of the west) and to eat clean halal meat, to boycott the System Bolaget and blood pudding, pray five times a day, fast the month of Ramadan, change their parochial and quaint customs, teach them another language and way of seeing things, reach them tolerance and perhaps, if they can afford it, a pilgrimage to the Holy Land of Mecca.

http://inhouse.lau.edu.lb/bima/papers/Jonas_Otterbeck.pdf

So many, afraid of so few? Perhaps not an entirely unfounded fear; it was said after all, about the Six Day War, that “never were the asses of so many kicked by so few”.

Perhaps it would be more politic if the Uzbek were moved to a bigger town / city , like Stockholm - or perhaps Malmö???

Afraid that terrorism will come to you? Your mama? Here's another view.

http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/ar...3_19022004.html

If the Sweden Democrats are really interested in the future of Islam and Muslims in Sweden they could be proposing some of the concrete measures that I just saw being discussed in the 3rd BBC programme “Generation Jihad -3” which tells of special training for the Imams (Muslims' religious leaders/ teachers) who are now being taught the English Language, so that they can communicate with second and third generation British Muslims with roots from all over the Islamic world:

http://www.google.com/search?q=BBC%3A+Generation+Jihad

The fact is, like it or like it not, Islam is here to stay, in Sweden. Jan Hjärpe, Åke Sander, Seyyed Mohammad Fazlhashemi and all the Swedish experts in Islam - and in sociology ,know this to be true. Perhaps, SD would prefer to see a more Swedish Islam - which will be led by Swedish Muslims who will not be intent on doing grievous bodily harm to the new found asylum heaven, Sweden?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam

http://www.faisalmb.com/blog/post/List-of-...d-to-Islam.aspx

http://www.usislam.org/converts/a_list_of_...le_converts.htm
14:57 September 12, 2010 by Iraniboy
Isn't Nazi's treatment of Jews started with banning the practising of Judaism then it turned to burning and killing?

I don't know why some of us never learn from history!!
15:38 September 12, 2010 by Jes
" ban practicing muslims" the Devils

" Islam is for the devil " Jones Church

"He is burning the quaran ! " CNN

" Ismal is a peaceful religion " some muslims

" no mosque on top of the blood of americans " 73 % of Americans

" the mosque is about building bridges - etc--" New York Imam.

" the burqa is : respect for the woman person " .A polygamous Mullar

" the damn burqa is a uniform for islamic inmates that happen to have been created women" An x-muslim woman

" USA was built on the notion of religious tolerance " Obama

" There is ONLY ONE GOD and his prophet is .. Mohamed " All muslims.

WHY WHY and WHY isn`t there anybody who is willing to stand up and say something really original - - ?

- - something like " let us build a church in Saudi Arabia , in the name of building bridges m religios tolerance , peace , respect for all humans etc etc ?

Surely , burning the quaran in Florida is not more idiotic than arresting a christian for wearing a neckless with a cross in Riyad or is it ?

In my opinion , there just can´t be a place on this earth that is strictly reserved for only muslims while the rest of the World must opens all its windows and doors to islam and muslims . Something doen`t add up here .
16:16 September 12, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Irani,

The only real racist I have met in Sweden so far, served in the Congo a long time ago, had been shot at by dark-skinned people, did not like that and so became a racist in principle. Otherwise there have been minor incidents with eggheads, one or two skirmishes, a few verbally overloaded nutters, last time was Hitler's birthday about ten years ago when one of his Neo – Nazi youths, spat on the window of the train, that had stopped for a few minutes at Slussen. Tall, blonde, Neo-Nazi devil, blue eyes, in the prime of his youth, looking healthy and strong, like Apollo and I did go to the door and heard him say that if I had any b-lls I should step on to the platform to meet him , man to man, so that he could clean up the platform with my blood. The savage. I stayed put. The train eventually took off. From my fellow travellers who witnessed the whole scene, not a word of support for the other skin. The philosophy of "jag ska inte blanda mig i"

Some people never learn:

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&...+all+the+brutes

I don't know how many human beings from Uzbekistan you or the SD people and the inhabitants of Strömsund have met. As for me, I've met exactly one person from Uzbekistan in my life, Eugene, a Jew, who sat next to me during a Seminar about Israeli politics conducted by one of our great rabbis, David Rose about a decade ago (1996?) – and what I remember most about him is that after the seminar (in which there had been a little discussion, with him mostly whining to our sympathetic ears, about being a member of the oppressed Jewish minority and that the Uzbek authorities had not allowed him to be taught anything about his religion and that is why he was so ignorant) - after the seminar, he approached me in a rather challenging / threatening manner, nose to nose, to tell me – his exact words : " Don't you ever raise your voice when you are in the same room with me!". He was angry because I had said something about "deportation" and I was angry too, his nose almost touching mine. I don't remember exactly what I told him about his mother, but I never saw him after that and cannot complain that he disturbed me any further. I think that I had told him that I would report him to his mother that he had been a naughty boy – and that if he provoked me further I would kick his ass, right there and then. The anti-Semite. ( smile)

Luckily for him, there is a commandment of love which forbids one from slapping a Jew in the face .

Ja, human beings are human beings, be they Uzbek, Jews, Sweden Democrats, Vikings, with all the usual quirks and foibles and human frailties too.

What Shylock says as a Jew can also be said by any Muslim or Sweden Democrat

Shylock:

"I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,

organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same

food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,

heal'd by the same means, warm'd and cool'd by the same winter

and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If

you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?

And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the

rest, we will resemble you in that."The Uzbek issue is not as simple or as straightforward as all that, it's not only domestic policy and tolerance that is at stake, there are international dimensions too:

http://www.thelocal.se/search.php?keywordSearch=Uzbekistan
17:59 September 12, 2010 by Iraniboy
@Jes

The reason why there is no church in Saudi is for the same reason why there is no mosque in Vatican. In all other Muslim countries there is church. Now I'm original?

You don't need to agree with Islam to let Muslims practice their beliefs and let them live. It is all about values that western countries adopted right after WW2. Those values are gradually diminish to the same level as was in WW2.
18:28 September 12, 2010 by Jes
@Iraniboy , you obviuosly have not been in the Vatican . I have . Muslims , pegans , anti-pope / catholics are all allowed to go in there without question or conditions .

The Vactican is a very slamm compound in the middle of a giant City of Rome . In every corner of that City , you find a mosque . Italy has the biggest mosque in Europe . I have seen muslims pray infront of St.Paul bassilica -no problems.

Got that ?

PS : In Saud Arabia a christian gets arrested for carrying a bible , or having a cross . Think about that - -

Now , I am not suggesting that a church should be built in Mecca , or in those places the muslims call holy . All I am saying is that those who claim to be " bridge-builders " should not start with erecting a mosque on G Zero in USA or Karlstad ; they should go to Suadi Arabia and convince their fellow muslims that tolerance cannot continue to be a one way street . You have to practice what you preach before blaming those who cannot trust you .

In addition , I don´t know where you get the idea that I not for "let live" . To be fair , muslims have been allowed to live wherever they go . It`s a wicked mistake to jugde a whole country or a society by the actions and utterences of some of their idiots .

I stress that Italy, where the vatican is located is the centre of the Roman Catholic faith/ churh . It would be hypocrit of catholics denied muslims to worship their God in that country ,while calling for Islam to be tolerant to all faiths .
18:46 September 12, 2010 by Iraniboy
@Jes

Now you changed the subject. You asked there is no church in Saudi I responded there is no mosque in Vatican. I understand these exceptions because these places have been origin of faiths. Now you talk about freedom of expression and movement that is another issue. It is decided politically and Saudi Arabia is not a politically accepted government even among Muslims even among Saudi minorities. As a matter of fact Saudi government exercise one the closest relations with western countries, that's why nobody in west complain about their records.

Yes do that but you should know that we're talking about Muslims in Europe or in the US. Saudi government won't pay a penny for what All Muslims altogether tell them! So why do you think European Muslims are responsible for that? In fact if there is anyone Saudi Government would listen to it is the White House.

I think you should think twice about defining the relations between people. It's not like all Muslims who carry the name of being Muslims listen to each other. It's sometimes non-Muslims who have more influence on Muslims than Muslims themselves.
19:08 September 12, 2010 by bocale1
@Jes,

can it be that Muslims can pray their religion in our country and we cannot do the same in Saudi just because we live in democracies (thank goodness), where the freedom of religion is a founding pillar, and Saudi is instead a theocratic dictatorship? Or should we change our modern country foundations, deny all our freedoms and civil/personal rights, just to be at the same level?

Where is the sense of always competing for the worst?

As European citizen, I want to live in a country where anybody is free to pray what he/she wants as far as my own freedom is respected as well. I do not care less if in Saudi, Iran or any part of the world this does not happen. I feel responsible for my country, not for others.

And about Muslims left live in peace, I would like just to remind all of you that the last attempted genocide in the former Yugoslavia, a country in the earth of Europe, saw the Bosnian Muslims as victims.
19:36 September 12, 2010 by Jes
Iranboy ,

no , I did not change the subject . I simply explained the difference between the Vatican and Saudi Arabia .

There is enough in your comment for one to arrive at the conclusions that I have already made , namely ,that any Immam who is not willing to challenge the Islamic notion of intolerancy and exclusion , where ever it may exist , has their job cut out for them if they are going to convince all non-muslims that there " bridge-building" claims are not just a whole load of nothing.

@bocale 1

Muslims in Europe are free to pray .

What happened to muslims in Bosnia is the same as what is happening to christians in Iraq and South Sudan - the only difference is in degrees.
19:46 September 12, 2010 by Uncle
Iraniboy, according ti the article, these muslims were not allowed to practice Islam in Uzbekistan... Where are the screams against Uzbekistan, from such an "objective" participant in the forums as you?

Here there is a proposal, whereas THERE in a MUSLIM country they were legally forbidden to do whatever they were doing. Aren't you worried for Uzbeki morals?
19:54 September 12, 2010 by spo10
i don't understand why everything has to be catered to Muslims and it seems to me everyone is scared to offend them in fears of being retaliated to. so it's okay for Muslims to burn Jesus' picture, or make fun of the Pope or any other religion BUT if we do the same to their prophet - they want Jihad!
19:59 September 12, 2010 by Iraniboy
@Jes

And I hope that I made it clear that comparing Vatican and Saudi is not equivalent to the comparison between Christianity and Islam. The former group is two countries, the latter group is two sets of beliefs.

@Uncle

The screams about Uzbekistan are yelled but there is no camera to record not a willing media to show. Like I said before it's the media who form the vast majority of people's mind unfortunately.

I do but I'm afraid your standards and morals are already shown in this forum after your support for SD despite their repetitive racist comments against black Africans and their enthusiasm to ban another religion as their fathers did 60 years ago in holy Germany.
20:46 September 12, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Life for the Muslim, the rites of passage that Professor Hjarpe usually talks about. Boys and girls, from the cradle to the grave - from day nursery to school, to work, parenthood, grandparenthood, perhaps, great grandparenthood, the cemetry.....

With all the hullabaloo about Islam and Muslims in the Kingdom of Sweden it must be getting to the time when the Swedish Government will soon be setting up a Commission to look into the problem of Islam as a way of life of 400,000 of its citizens, with a view to improving things generally, for this generation and the next, and the one after that.

The Composition of the Commission? The experts of course, Muslim leaders and representatives of the diverse Muslim Organisations, representatives from the different communes that have to handle Muslims, refugees etc

Also worth looking into : the role of school and home in influencing things for the better.
20:47 September 12, 2010 by Jes
Iranboy , you did not make it clear at all .

Again , Saud Arabia is a nation which has a policy that not only excludes other religions , but also keeps laws that makes it a crime to ( even quietely ) practice another faiths .

The Vatican is a COMPOUND - a municipality within a City of a Nation . It is the headquaters of the Roman Catholic church ; a church whose basic idiology does not support the notion of offensive religious segregation .

I see the gap and I am talking about it.

I would be saying the same things I am saying to/ and about muslims , if the Vatican in Rome said that non-catholics , non-christians or muslims are not welcome anywhere around the holy-sea or Italy .

PS : SD is made up of ignorant devils . I have made that point somewhere else . But , what have the mulim leaders done to neutralize their poison ?

Not much , sadly .

Charity should begin at home .Before the bridge-building Imam convinces that crazy Pastor not to burn the Koran , how much has he done to convince the Mullars in Saud Arabia that ( for example ) women are not a mans property ?
21:17 September 12, 2010 by Uncle
I am sorry Iraniboy, I am asking YOU where is YOUR criticism of these muslim countries who are SO rough and violent that they outcast even muslims for practicing Islam and you are blaming the media? Interesting.

In regards to support of weird organizations, you showed your support not once and not twice for those who explode in kindergartens and behead in the name of your religion. So I would not try to preach morals to anyone else if I were you.
22:13 September 12, 2010 by asee
Media has spoiled the image of Muslims. Being Muslim, I can tell you practicing Muslims are more peaceful than non practicing Muslims. If you dont believe me, you can observe any converted swedish Muslims and ask them how they feel among practicing Muslim...

What does practicing Muslims mean?

> Five times pray to God? who get hurt by praying?

> Give charity to poors! its compulsory to give 2.5 percent share to poors every year

> Fasting

> No drinking

> No illegal Sex

> Beard for men and hijab for women....

Now tell me, if any of these practices hurt anyone...

Please study islam and then decide yourself...it's just media propoganda
00:20 September 13, 2010 by Uncle
Asee

Koran then must be quite a short book. One page fits the above quite well then? So what is the rest? Pictures?
15:35 September 13, 2010 by vb74
Personally I think the muslims should take over Sweden as soon as possible,I mean the Swedes don't seem to mind heck they seem enthusiastic about it.So if we have to sacrafice one tiny country for the rest of western society to wake up and take care of the muslim problem then that is a fair price,Besides I'm sure the Swedes will make wonderful pets.Goodbye Sweden and thanks for ABBA.
22:10 September 13, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Re "the muslims should take over Sweden as soon as possible"

You mean the Swedish Muslims ("should take over Sweden as soon as possible" ?
11:37 September 14, 2010 by flintis
@asee: who wrote

Five times pray to God? who get hurt by praying? #anyone with bad knee's. God is like Santa Claus, a figment of someones imagination

> Give charity to poors! its compulsory to give 2.5 percent share to poors every year .# No muslim has ever given me any 2.5%

> Fasting, #isn't that parasite?

> No drinking, #you must get very thirsty!

> No illegal Sex, # buggery is the only sex I know that's illegal

> Beard for men and hijab for women....# Beards are not very healthy & start to smell after a while, something to do with all the food in them. Hijab = an archaic form of persecution/torture

Now tell me, if any of these practices hurt anyone... # these practises hurt anyone who does not want to participate
12:15 September 14, 2010 by Jes
Hej-- Uncle , you seem to be lost ! Come on now , here is the way :

agression can be expressed in several ways . One can express agression physically , verbly or psycologically .

The violent demonstration we are talking about was an aggressive physical RE-ACTION to an an aggressive verbal and psychological ACTION by the SD devils .

A relevant quote : "We are doing this to show that there is resistance to their racism," Stefan Berg of the Socialist Justice Party (Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna - RS), NOTE : that Stefan Berg is not an immigrant muslim , neither is the Socialist Justice Party`s main idiology about violence and hatred .

Something else , I think that you are reading this upside down . It is not the left that is "hysterical" . Rather , it is all sane people who are saying or doing things to show that haters have no peace where ever they pop up . There has got to be a good reason why all major parties in Sweden have promised to never cooperate with these hateful idiots of SD.

PS : this cooment is supposed to have been posted under another topic ."... attack on far-right -- "

For some reason , it is not possible to comment on it
12:30 September 14, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=s...se%2Fhandbok%2F

The Leaders of the major parties have vowed to not invite the Sweden Democrats to join whatever coalition they may have to form ( It's unclear whether they disagree with the Sweden Democrats in all areas)

Whilst there is all this mumbling and grumbling about Muslims and immigrants, we must remember that not all immigrants are terrorists or parasites whose main aim in life is to not go to school or learn a trade or to stand on their own feet - once given the possibility of doing so, but would much prefer to survive on Social Welfare. We may take a little time out to take a look at some of these role model examples, and remember that there are many more such people making healthy contributions to Sweden (for example a Nelson Mandela International School has just been started). We should also bear in mind and remember that the Arabs (Muslims) and many Muslim countries are not only trade partners and outlets for Swedish export but have also invested heavily in Sweden and that Islamophobia is not good for business or the highest standard of human relations.
16:13 September 14, 2010 by Syftfel
I disagree with all those above who say that we're not at war with islam. Read these wise words in today's HumanEvents: - QUOTE A growing number of Westerners are coming to see this as a religious war. If we're not at war with islam, why are Afghan mobs yelling "Death to Christians"? Why are Copts being attacked in Egypt? And Assyrian and Chaldean Christians in Iraq? Did those Christians start a war against their vastly more numerous muslims in those countries? By whom are Christians being killed in Nigeria? What do Mohammed Atta, bin Laden, al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Moqd al-Sadr and Ahmadinejad have in common except for islam? UNQUOTE - Is the writer wrong? Who is the enemy? Think about that when you go to the polls on Sunday!
16:23 September 14, 2010 by vb74
syftfel

Everything you said is correct.Please tell me your Swedish, so maybe there is some hope for Sweden.
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