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'Pregnant man' to open Stockholm Pride

'Pregnant man' to open Stockholm Pride

Published: 01 Aug 2011 14:21 GMT+02:00
Updated: 01 Aug 2011 14:21 GMT+02:00

Beatie is in Stockholm to talk about his experiences as a transgender male being pregnant with three children and giving birth to them naturally even though he is legally classified as a man.

“My family and I are very honored, humbled and excited to be invited out to Stockholm Pride this year. Sweden seems like an evolving and progressive country regarding human rights and civil liberties,” Thomas Beatie said to the Stockholm Pride website.

Undergoing a sex change operation in 2002, Beatie decided to retain his female reproductive organs in the hope of one day having a child after finding out his wife Nancy was infertile.

Beatie, a former model and beauty queen from Hawaii is now a proud dad of three, achieved through the insemination of donated sperm.

The organisers are hoping that Beatie’s speech will raise awareness of the important issue of transgender people's rights. In Sweden transgender couples are not allowed to adopt and are forced undergo sterilization after a sex change operation, preventing them from ever having children.

“I hope that the choice of this opening speaker will result in a long wished-for push forward for trans people’s rights, and I am very proud to be able to welcome Thomas Beatie and his family," said Stockholm Pride chairperson Pär Wiktorsson in a statement.

The opening of the 13th Stockholm Pride Festival, the biggest in Scandinavia, will take place in Kungsträdgården on Monday evening and the celebrations will last for a week with debates, seminars, parties and culminating in the popular parade that attracts thousands of people.

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14:39 August 1, 2011 by byke
Calling Dick Tracey (langondino)
15:05 August 1, 2011 by prince T
If you want to be a man be a man and if you want to be a woman pls do. It is confusing that one is claiming to be a man but enjoying the benefits of a woman at the same time time. While married to a woman. This is confusion. Thank God Sweden dont allow this.
15:25 August 1, 2011 by JulieLou40
The facts are simple-if "he" was born a woman, still has female organs, and can give birth......then "he" is in fact a she!

All this "pregnant man" stuff is tosh-it's a woman, for Christs sake!!!
15:59 August 1, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
The He/She dilemma: Am I social democrat or am I gay. Oh, perhaps I am only a "man" who enjoys being pregnant. Now he is an ICON for the Pride Parade.

@JulieLou40. I join you in your comment.

@prince T Are you sure that Sweden does not allow this?

@byke, Let us leave this case to Hercule Poirot. It is too much Agatha in it.
16:17 August 1, 2011 by Nemesis
This American individual, has not had a sex change operaton.

A sex change for a transsexual person going from female to male entails removal of ovaries, womb and vaginal canal. An artificial penis is then fashioned from skin grafts and artificial testes implanted in the same manner as cancer victims who have lost there penis due to cancer or physical damage. That has not occurred in this case.

The US citizen known as Thomas Beatie would not be classed as transsexual under Swedish law and if this person did become pregnant in Sweden, the children would be removed by social services. If the three children have travelled to Sweden with this individual, it could get interesting with social services, if social services is informed.

As this person refuses to have a full sex change operation, then the appropiate descriptive term would be transvestite, not transsexual.
16:36 August 1, 2011 by 420
Wow, weird comments here from all so far. Sad to see how difficult it is for people to accept other people. It's really not that hard. It's also not that difficult to understand Thomas Beatie and his family.
16:45 August 1, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@420

It is not a matter of difficulty in accepting other people. It is a matter of discussing what he/she really is. For me, he is just a

profiteer who is taking advantage of everything he can. As Nemesis put it: He is neither man, nor women; all the contrary. He is a wishy-washy with 3 children.
17:04 August 1, 2011 by capheda
@J. L. Belmar

See you're making no sense. How is he a profiteer taking advantage of everything he can? He's just living his life the way he wants to, as he is lucky enough to live in a free society where individuals are allowed liberty in their pursuit of happiness. He is a 'transgender man', not a 'wishy-washy' whatever that is supposed to mean. There have always been people outside the male/female gender binary in various forms and always will be. It's not that hard to understand, nor it is it difficult to accept.
17:11 August 1, 2011 by Svensksmith
Well, if you tell him/her to f himself, he/she really can do it.
17:47 August 1, 2011 by Streja
Nem, what do you mean? Social Services would remove the kids? Is that your theory? Are you opposed to him/her having babies? I'm confused.
18:07 August 1, 2011 by Nemesis
@ Streja

In Sweden the law categorically states that all transsexual people have to be sterilised to prevent them from having children. Also transsexual people in Sweden are not allowed to adopt, with venement opposition from the authorites and social services to any existing child staying with a transsexual parent, even though there is no proven risk of any kind.

Unfortunately no Swedish transsexual person has challenged that law in the European Courts, as the Swedish government would lose that case.

I personally think that law is based in blatant bigotry by the Swedish authorities as well as the psychiatrists who helped to draft that law and should be removed from the statute books, but that is the law and guidelines as laid down in 1972.

The psychiatrists involved in transsexual treatment in Sweden are well known in human rights circles for demanding that all transsexual people be sterilised and be refused the right to have children.

The same psychiatrists and Social Boards supported removing transvestitism, Sadism, Maschoism and other listed sexual disorders from the Swedish ICD last year, but vehemently opposed removal of transsexualism from the Swedish ICD at the same time, even though they are in full knowledge it is not a mental disorder, but in fact congenital.

Regarding Thomas Beatie. That individual is not transsexual, but in fact an attention seeking transvestite, who constantly seeks media attention. Refusal to have the appropiate surgery for a female to male transsexual contraindicates being transsexual.
18:21 August 1, 2011 by fishpicks
@ capheda

well said.

a male-to-female transgendered person will have a brain that is physically more similar to a woman than a man's.

it doesn't take much insight to understand that a person who goes through with a sex change will most likely also go through a mental, perhaps even intellectual journey; questioning the concept of gender and what it means and/or matters, finding where they stand as a person and not as a boy or girl.

all i can say is: good for thomas. i wish him and his children a beautiful life and that he will keep on inspiring those who are confused in this sad, scared little world.
18:24 August 1, 2011 by johnny1939
So who is the father to the 3 kids? Perhaps did he fertilize himself? Everything seems to be possible in this new world
18:43 August 1, 2011 by Nemesis
@ fishpicks

A male to female transgender person or more accurately a transvestite, will not have a brain that is similar to a woman.

A transvestite has the same brain as there natal sex.

A transsexual male to female person has the brain of a female person as shown in published research in the scientific journal nature at this link http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6552/pdf/378068a0.pdf

Transgenderism is a political term invented by convicted porn peddler Arnold Lowman (deceased), who went by the name Virginia Prince. The term transgender was incorporated by Rickard Ekins in 1975 and Robert Stoller in 1976 into academic literature as a catch all term covering everything in every context that was between male and female. It was imposed onto several groups such as transsexuals and intersex people without there consent.

Transsexual was defined in the PvS (C-13/94) case in the european Court of Justice to cover every European country as someone intending to, undergoing or who has underwent sex reasignment surgery. The case "Application No. 36528/97 by Paul KARA against the United Kingdom" established beyond doubt that transvestitism was not covered under the Equal treatment directive, whereas transsexualism is.

Transgenderism is originally another term for transvestitism. It is nothing to do with transsexualism or intersex, unless you are claiming that a transvestite fetishist adult getting a sexual kick out of lingerie, is the same as a newborn child with ambigeous genitalia.

@ johnny1939

Fertilisation in this case was by artificial insemination.
18:48 August 1, 2011 by Streja
Nem, thanks, I knew all that just got confused by your post. :)

I agree with you. Sterilisation should not be mandatory.
18:56 August 1, 2011 by Nemesis
@ Streja

Welcome. My initial comment was not very clear, upon re-reading it.

The sterilisation requirement is just vindictiveness on the part of the psychiatrists and social board, who wrote the intial law in 1972. A transsexual person is naturally sterilised by sex reasignment surgery anyway, so there is no requirement for it in law, but vindictiveness.

The option to store gametes should be allowed for those who intend to have sex reasignment surgery.
19:34 August 1, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@capheda # 8

Some trans men (female-to-male transgender people) who interrupt hormone replacement therapy can become pregnant, while still identifying and living as men. This is possible for individuals who still have functioning ovaries and a uterus.[9] Although these individuals were assigned female at birth, from the standpoint of gender identity they are pregnant transsexual or transgender men.[10][11]

For example, Matt Rice, a transgender man, bore a son named Blake in October 1999 [12] following random sperm donations from three male friends[13] during his relationship with transgender writer Patrick Califia.[13]

Thomas Beatie, another transgender man, has borne three children. He chose to become pregnant because his wife Nancy was infertile, doing so with cryogenic donated sperm and a syringe, at home. He wrote an article about the experience in The Advocate. The Washington Post further broadened the story on March 25 when blogger Emil Steiner called Beatie the first "legally" pregnant man on record, in reference to certain states' and federal legal recognition of Beatie as a man. Beatie gave birth to a girl named Susan Juliette Beatie on June 29, 2008. Barbara Walters announced Beatie's second pregnancy on The View, and Beatie gave birth to a boy named Austin Alexander Beatie on June 9, 2009. In Beatie's third pregnancy, a boy named Jensen James Beatie was born on July 25, 2010.

As you can read, he decided to have children in consensus with his wife Lucy.

So, how is he/she going to promote his status in the Stockholm Pride? And, how much is he being paid by the organizers? That is the reason I call him a profiteer. Apparently, the happiness of his wife is someplace lost in the wilderness. Now, is money, money, money and this is my opinion, whether you like it or not.
20:48 August 1, 2011 by Jes
If it were up to me , I would take the children away and then ask someone to examine these 2 person´`s heads .

Children are not like a new Ipod that one can display about for his/her pleasure . If the chap has the right to change from a woman to a man , that right cannot automatically be extended to another party -children is this case .

It is such a shame that there are even intelligent people that cannot stop to ask if the childrenS rights are violeted when they are brought into the World in such a confusing manner . No one seems to think twice before refering to Beatie as a "DAD" . What will happen to the children when they start to know that their Mom become a pregnant man ?

If there is a reason why not anybody can adopt a child , there should be a reason why someone who has chosen to become a man should NEVER be allowed to get a child through pregnacy .--------------- all we might as well inseminate pigs and monkeys to produce the next generation .

The Gay community should be the first to say that they sexuallity should not be used by confused people
20:48 August 1, 2011 by Streja
I don't think it is right to condemn him for getting paid. I mean people who have survived war or sexual abuse have written books etc.
21:01 August 1, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@Streja.

Good Lord! Here you go again. Do not compare people who have survived war or sexual abuse who have written books with this "Merchant of Venice". This guy is only promoting himself to make money and as Jes wrote, the gay community should be the first to say that their sexuality should not be used by confused people. Unfortunately, the gay community is so confused, that they invited this wishy-washy hybrid to come a talk about his experiences.
21:28 August 1, 2011 by Addendum
Sweden punishes individuals who do not conform to identities dictated by the state.
21:31 August 1, 2011 by Nemesis
@ J. L. Belmar

I can assure you that Thomas Beatie is not confused. Appearances on Oprah, guest speaking, books, etc are all part of a business model, that could not be held together by someone who is confused.

I personally am not comfortable with Beatie having the children in the full glare of media publicity and also would be extremely concerned regarding fertilisation and hope it only occurred after all hormone treatments were allowed to wash out of the system. I personally believe that everyone has the right to have a child, including Beatie, but am concerned about medical treatments and media influence on the children.

One thing that needs to be made clear is that Beatie is a transgender activist. Beatie is not transsexual as some claim, otherwise ovaries would have been removed a long time ago. Beatie is more or less a female transvestite living of media attention.

Regarding kids. I have known quite a few people who were raised in what most would describe as unusal families. In my year at school was two kids who were raised by lesbian mothers and they were less screwed up, than everyone else I was at school with. One becoming a cancer researcher and the other a plumber. The kid of the religious altar hugger was completely screwed up and ended up in jail for rape, a couple of years after we left school.

In the pub I worked in Belfast a guy came in on a saturday at mid day for family dinner after shopping, with his parents, grandmother, brothers kids and brother in a wheelchair (motorbike accident with brain damage and wife did a runner). He used to be a woman and was looking after all of them and paying the mortgage. He made sure the kids of his brother did there homework and helped them study for there exams and paid for them to goto university and they got a good PHDs in biomedical and engineering areas. In other words he made a very good parent and carer for his family. I don't know how he handled all of it. We were all very impressed by him. He could not get government or social help, even though he should have had it.

Someone changing sex is nothing to do with sex, sexual orientation, fetishism or anything else. It is purely about a person's inate sexual identity.

If you ever meet a genuine transsexual you will understand what I mean. They stop at nothing to get all there surgeries and I mean literally at nothing. They would work themselves to death to get all the surgeries and then quietly disappear into the background. Most of them move away from LGBT people after all the surgeries, except those that identify as bisexual, gay or the small minority unable to function in normal society, post sex reasignment surgery due to societal abuse.
21:34 August 1, 2011 by muscle
so if such men apply for pregnancy leave benefits to Försäkringskassan, would it be called paternity leaves or maternity leaves ?

Lol..
22:37 August 1, 2011 by GLO
A Boy is a Boy, A Girl is a Girl....You can call a cat a dog , that does not make it so. I am a Boy, thank God for Girls......That will never change.. Ha.Ha.Ha.
23:24 August 1, 2011 by wxman
Not a man; never will be a man, no matter what. Close your eyes and click your heels all you want. No "Y" chromosome? No man. Sorry.
01:11 August 2, 2011 by Smokebox
I hope the "it" stays in Sweden. Good place for an "it"!!!
06:07 August 2, 2011 by zeulf
OMG someone needs to notify "Ripley's Believe it or not" Man gives birth to three darling children after three male friends donate Sperm, Tell Aseop and Henny penny too........O the Sky was almost falling All the important News here or maybe just the funniest
06:18 August 2, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@nemesis #22

You are right. That is exactly what I meant in my comment #17. The guy is just a merchant taking advantage of the up to now unusual situation of a man giving birth to a son. This gay guy or whatever, has 3 children by now and his wife Lucy? I guess she is just counting the money and f... someplace else with someone who is not a lunatic. For her happiness? My a...
08:01 August 2, 2011 by flintis
It (Beattie) should be prosecuted under the trade descriptions act or some other obscure law for mis representation, fraud.

This person is NOT a man & certainly did not give birth to a child through a penis, the title of the book is misleading.

Wonder how much this fraud is being paid to "open" the gay festival??
10:19 August 2, 2011 by Paparazzi
jeeez how can you be a man and still have a vagina??
10:42 August 2, 2011 by andyron2
"If" my aunt had been a man she would have been my uncle.

You can take the tiger out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the tiger.
10:48 August 2, 2011 by byke
I believe in the right to one changing their appearance if wished.

However, the state allowing the reassignment of sexual definition and ID IMHO is wrong, and boarders on fraud.

If I was born a diva, and felt that I was royalty, trapped in a commoners body ..... I can't see the state allowing me to become a royal .... Let alone paying for it, or allowing me to change my name to that of a royal name(at least within Sweden)
10:53 August 2, 2011 by mamegoma
Why does society have to label everyone as either a he or a she?

Why do you only see gender as black or white?
11:00 August 2, 2011 by Jes
J_L:Belmar,

you started by insting that Beatie is not confused and then went to write that indicate that he is actually confused . For example , you obsever that the fellow is not what he claims to be .

I hope you are aware that many confused people appear on Oprah , some start churches , while others lead "revolutiobary" armies .The man who kept his own daughter hidden away for years and had several children with her can also claim not to be confused . Would you say that his children will be alright or not ?

You are also wrong to claim that because you know of 2 well turned -out individual who were raised in "unusual families " that alone proves that these 3 kids are also likely to not be affected by how they arrived in this confused place . The fact that this fellow is going about displaying his 3 "tropies" points at what is coming . By your logic , drug abuse should not be a problem just because some users are cancer reseachers and plumbers ?

I don`t think so !

The trouble is that is that there are a lot of people who suffer from "celebity syndrome " . Beatie is aware of this trend and is happy to cash in . But there are consequencies - sometimes tragic ones .

Recently , there was a young lady who had an unsually interesting singing voice , though she was seriously hooked on drugs . She heard her bewitched fans ( celeb syndrome sufferers ) scream her name assuring her how "unconfused " she was . She thanked them by singing : " no no rehab----" The World rewarded instead of correcting her .----- Her name was Amy Winehouse . She was 26 !

@mamegoma , you should put question to the ones who go under the knife in order to change from he to she or the other way round .
11:27 August 2, 2011 by cogito
If you have a sex-change op. in Sweden, who pays? Do you pay for it yourself? Or is it paid with Other People's Money (via taxes).
11:35 August 2, 2011 by BillyB
I really dont get why this story continually makes news all around the world.

Its not a man having a bady, its a woman who had some surgery to make her appear more like a man because thats what she felt she was.

I dont think anybody has a problem with that and not many people care if she now wants to be called a he.

but the whole man having a bady is stupid as its not the case.

I know a guy who is undergoing some medical treatment as he wants to be a she...

So based on the whole pregnant man garbage he could then have sex with a woman and claim that one woman got another woman pregnant....
12:13 August 2, 2011 by prince T
I never wanted to comment on her changing to a he. It is not my problem. What distinguish a man from a woman is the WOMB. IT is called WOMB MAN. i.e a man with a womb. That is where the word woman comes from. Playing God and retaining ability to still be a woman when claiming to be a man is wrong. Thank God again that sweden dont allow trangenda to retain such organ.
12:32 August 2, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@Jes

I simply do not dig where did you get what you are saying I said. If I wrote that this guy is confused, for me is confused. and that is my opinion, wheter you like it or not.

He is simply a gay guy, or a guy gay, that has gone after the money, ever since he was aware of the picture made my Arnold Schwarzenger and Danny De Vito back in 1994 with the title of "Junior". Arnold played the rol of a man who was about to deliver a baby.

Do you really think that this hybrid came to Sweden because he loves the unpolluted air and the nice weather? No, he is cashing in because, not as you wrote that he suffers "Celebrity Syndrom", but because he knows that we all (media, journalists, commentators and stupids) have made him a celebrity. And I am including Oprah and Barbara Walters.

To close this thread, let us all wish him to have 14 more children and to wind up in the Patagonia teaching the penguins how to cash money by having a big fat tommy just because he wanted to please his beloved Lucy. Give me a break!
13:00 August 2, 2011 by matona1
i enjoy all coments the question still remain,is he/sh? Mr/Miss/Mrs?

from female to male just by face alone ,wake up guy she is still A WOMAN,
13:14 August 2, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@ prince T # 37

Excuse me, but...

"Woman" comes from Middle English "wifman", a compound word from "wif" (meaning "wife" or "woman") and "man" (which, like the Modern English word "man", could mean "male person" or "person")

Source(s):

Merriam-Webster

Welcome
13:40 August 2, 2011 by prince T
Belmar we are speaking mordern english here. By the way wifman mean female human. If you let Gudrun Schyman catctch you with your defination.

@matona thomas actually changed to a man. He has remove all the female homones and organs and replaced it with that of a man. The only challenge is that he left the reproductive part. Sweden will sterile you if do sex change.

I agree with you belmar that he did it for money. I watched maany of his inerviews, his excuses were lame.
14:06 August 2, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
Hi prince T. I did not know that we were speaking MORDERN English (with capital E) here. So, you mean that I have to throw to the wastebasket my Merriam-Webster dictionary. Which one you recommend me so I can speak and write MORDERN eNGLISH? I would never let Gudrun Shyman to CATCTCH me with my definition.

Now, let us go into business and start making this hybrid to lecture at the Swedish universities and stop talking nonsense. In other words,

Aye up prince t. ah did not kna 'a' we wor speytin mordern english (with capital e) 'eear. sa, theur mean 'a' ah av ta wang teur t' wastebasket uz merriam-websta dictionary. which 'un theur recommen' uz sa ah can speyt 'n wri' mordern english? ah 'ood nivva let gudrun shyman ta catctch uz wi' uz definition. na, let wee nip on intoa business 'n start makin dis 'ybrid ta lecture a' t' swedish universities 'n gi'o'a callin nonsense.

Got it?
14:24 August 2, 2011 by Jes
Helo Belmar , if you read my comment at all , you did not understand it .

I am of the opinion that this chap is confused and confusing . He has fooled many people who would otherwise be intelligent enough to see that what he is doing is child abuse ,if they were not infected with the syndrome that I mentioned .

Oprah is Oprah partially because of showing these kinds of people to the World . But do the gay people hope to gain by adoring a chap that thinks that life is a very long bizarre film ?

PS : sorry for all the typos . am in between things ,
14:50 August 2, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
Hello Jes. Do not worry about your typos.

Let us worry about "pregnant men" fancy this alien is trying to doh with an already decadent society here in the still dishy sweden but with its more and more rotten values. i am alsoh in between things and one has to stopp trying to convince those whoh cannot be convinced at all, that the "pregnant man" is bally all more and bally all else than ah jolly clevah chap that found his "niche" in an already rotten society that allows festivals of all kinds and feminists to take ovah of almost everything, with the blessing of the dictatorship style of government we "enjoy" in dishy sweden.
07:37 August 3, 2011 by flintis
@mamegoma

#Why does society have to label everyone as either a he or a she? Why do you only see gender as black or white? #

Male female, dog bitch, stallion mare, bull cow, tom queen, boar sow, he she, him her, do you see any connection?

You must be either blind or a bigot, gender is male or female, apart from those instances where there is a genuine freak of nature.
08:45 August 3, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
@flintis

What do you wnat us to call you: It? Society is not labeling everybody. It is a simple fact that gender is the wide set of characteristics that are seen to distinguish between male and female. It can extend from sex to social role or gender identity. As a word, "gender" has more than one valid definition. In ordinary speech, it is used interchangeably with "sex" to denote the condition of being male or female. All the above, can be read in any dictionary, like I did.

We need no flintis to teach us that gender is male of female, but I agree with you that in the case of the "Pregnant man (!)", this hybrid should be called "The Gold Digger" with a very clever wife.
14:00 August 3, 2011 by billibob
From the wiki article it is not clear whether he/she was undergoing hormone replacement therapy during pregnancies? If not, then it is in fact the female version of thomas beatie who gave birth - and not a male as sensationally claimed! If yes, those offspring of his would make interesting case studies of elevated exposure to testosterone during pregnancy and its downstream effects.
02:27 August 4, 2011 by zeulf
@ prince does it matter if She removed some organs? She can never add

anything other than a fake Penis and never squirt Semen. Painting Your Horse black and white will not give a Cow with Milk. so who cares if the breasts are removed, DNA tells ALL ( almost). Confused ? well at least sad
10:13 August 4, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
The guy came to Sweden for his inner doors to be opened. Who cares how many more children the hybrid can produce in the name of science. What is really important is that he gave a lesson to the you know what, that they too can produce babies at will. Just imagine what kind of a parliament that would be. No appearences at all. The majority would be on "pappa-mamma ledig" situations.
01:29 August 5, 2011 by philster61
I'm Brian and so is my wife......
14:34 August 18, 2011 by jomamas
Why not just make babies in test tubes and have them grown and raised by corporations?

Is that 'progressive' enough for you?
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