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Sweden Democrats in nationalism ideology row

Sweden Democrats in nationalism ideology row

Published: 26 Nov 2011 12:10 GMT+01:00
Updated: 26 Nov 2011 12:10 GMT+01:00

The Sweden Democrat Party began its second congress on Saturday debating a proposal for a new policy program. It proposes, among other things that name of the new ideology should be "social conservative" in a move to distance itself from the more nationalistic overtones of the current “democratic nationalist” line.

The proposal has caused a split in the ranks however, between the more traditional supporters of the nationalist ideology and those looking for a more moderate approach.

The politician behind the proposals Mattias Karlsson assured delegates that nationalism will always be a key starting point in any ideological discussions.

"This program strengthens our middle position in Swedish politics, said party leader Jimmie Åkesson.

The congress can either accept or reject the application in its entirety.

Meanwhile it has emerged that all employees of the Sweden Democrat Party could face fines of up to 100 000 kronor (or the equivalent of the "real damage") if they disclose "confidential information" about the party.

Defending the imposition of the gagging order, Party Secretary Björn Söder argues that it is in line with firms inside and outside politics.

“In all the companies I've worked at, they have a duty of confidentiality,” he told Expressen newspaper. However, with questions marks over what amounts to “confidential information” and ”real damage,” union leaders were quick to criticise the move.

“It creates a fear of being sued. We would advise everyone against signing such an agreement.” Martin Wästfelt, general counsel for the union Unionen, said to Expressen.

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13:03 November 26, 2011 by omash kavash
do it or not bealive me this time nobody is gonna vote for you this is a good move coz last time all the ilitrate foreigners voted for sd thinking its social democrats nice move so you get zero racist party
20:09 November 26, 2011 by Uncle
for seure amash kavahs mistake did writ wrong bullitine wrong partie. coz amash kavash miss klass 4 to 11 in skool. no time study. study is for gays and jews.

Currently SD is on the rise and the last figure that I read was 7%. By distancing themselves from nationalistic ideas (like the crazy incompatibility of "immigrants are unemployed and live on our taxes" together with "immigrants come here and take our jobs") and concentrating on the real problems, they get themselves 20% easily.

Also they need to adapt a bit more opinions in other matters, but immigration and pensions.
21:47 November 26, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Uncle

According to the statistics, most supporters are SD are very young or old men with low wage and low education. So your argument is basically wrong. I'm afraid though the economy crisis may enhance this right wing populism but once economy is back on track they vanish.
00:27 November 27, 2011 by Uncle
Iraniboy

According to the latest from Metro (if I am not mistaken), Social Democrats are losing voters to SD and Moderates. So the age thing is fixing itself and as you can read above, the ideology is also changing towards a more reasonable one.

Well, well.... There is nothing left, but wait and see.

Meanwhile, when everyone is crying and bashing SD, the rich and middle age ones from the center are slowly shutting the doors into the country, eh? Slowly, but SURELY. What is great is that even the swedes recognized that there is a PROBLEM. This is the most important thing.
09:06 November 27, 2011 by Rap43
SD political debate in action: http://www.flickr.com/photos/12038619@N07/6410036197/
10:53 November 27, 2011 by cowboykodp
Wow; Do you think so? The "Oracle"of all things speaks again.

Uncle, it must be tiring to be such an amazing expert on everything.

One third of all SD representatives have stepped down all around Sweden. They are realizing that they truly are racists, and bigots. No amount of "dressing it up" can fool people.

They are now trying to change their colors to "appeal" to the middle.

What a joke.

"The tide is changing". Got that right.
10:55 November 27, 2011 by jonathanjames61
The hidden agenda,all should watch out Hitler started like this.
13:20 November 27, 2011 by Social Hypocrisy
"The politician behind the proposals Mattias Karlsson assured delegates that nationalism will always be a key starting point in any ideological discussions."

... I think this says it all. They can try dressing it up as much as they like but they will always remain national socialists e.g nazi's. Sweden has been isolated for so long its failed to keep up with the rest of northern europe. In germany they at least have the ability to learn from past mistakes and are now considering banning the nationalist party.

The Swedish Democrates or whatever thay are called now like to portray themselves as a mouthpiece of democracy. At the same time they believe that a uneducated national has more rights to a job than a educated immigrant who can speak swedish.

How democratic is that?
13:42 November 27, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Uncle

Do you live in Sweden? Have you ever met Swedes?

Every country has some specific cultural behavior and Swedes are not the exception. They have some the characteristics that you hear everywhere. But as usual there are minorities among each culture. In Sweden the minority is supporters of SD. I have met them and you can even read news about them. They show the least Swedish characteristics. In fact the reason why they only like to see this Swedish behavior around themselves is because they themselves lack it inside. This will not change so easily. So the support for SD will cannot increase much in one generation under any circumstances.
14:30 November 27, 2011 by Uncle
iraniboy

We argue the same argument with the same reasoning. You already told me 23 times that SD voters are a minority. Remember my answer to this? I will remind you.

Although the actual voters are a minority, those who do not want to hire you, live in your area, send the kids to preschools dominated by your children and buy stuff from you on Blocket are a VAST majority.

The only ones who are not racist enough that they are not afraid of you are the right wing. That is why in this twisted and weird reality, those who want bring here muslims in industrial amounts are in fact much more racist than those who want to control this flow.

Right wing actually CARES about and UNDERSTANDS islam in its arabic version. It sees the dangers, as well as weaknesses of this uniform and brainwashed society. It also sees the way to assist this society to actually integrate, the way Kurds, Turks and Iranis managed to integrate

At the same time left wing commies think of you as a lesser and a bit retard nations that just "don't know any better". And treat you as challenged, unpredictable and dangerous person, around whom everyone should walk on tip-toes and not do or say anything that may force you into "justified" violence. Don't you get it? Doesn't it insult you way more that the direct and unhidden confrontation that SD offers?
14:56 November 27, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Uncle

Those vast majority you are talking about have exactly the same feeling about right wings like you and even the equivalent Swedish ones. They can never see Islam, Christianity, Judaism and right wing way of life as an alternative to another. However they support any of them that is the victim. The main reason why they oppose the Swedish right wing altogether is because it makes Swedes look immoral, self-admirable. That's unbearable among the vast majority of Swedes and they pay any price to avoid that. Now good luck with your efforts but I guess you need to have another 40 years to live to probably see that!

P.S. As you made this argument personal, I can inform you that before I got employed I kept my employer for weeks on hold due to my other offers! Good luck with your wishful thinking and prejudices!
15:08 November 27, 2011 by cowboykodp
Iraniboy;

This fool writes:

"Although the actual voters are a minority, those who do not want to hire you, live in your area, send the kids to preschools dominated by your children and buy stuff from you on Blocket are a VAST majority."

Everything this immigrant speaks about is most likely his own personal Experience with Swedes. How else can one explain his views.

The vast majority of immigrants in Sweden, such as yourself; are doing great and love it here.

Just because this fool is being treated badly by Swedes, he believes other immigrants are too.

Like I've said numerous times, he is a truly sick individual.
15:30 November 27, 2011 by Uncle
I will disregard the retard with his assumptions inseam of an argument.

iraniboy

A personal experience is not a proof of anything. Immigration unemployment is obvious. read the thread nearby. SVT is claiming a 65% unemployment among capable make immigrants between 20 and 35 in Malmö. How is that for a problem for you?

Areas of immigrants concentration are becoming a "ghetto" not only because of an inflow of immigrants, but mostly because of an outflow of swedes. You just disregard these simple facts.

Yes, majority would not vote for SD now, but majority DO whatever SD is SAYING. Now, when I say "you", I mean it as the plural "you", not thou. Majority of swedes despise and fear the immigrants. They avoid talking about immigration problems because they are afraid of LOOKING racist. It does not make them not to avoid immigrants in general.

Now, whenever SD will actually adapt a more centralist view on many issues, the negative view of them will diminish. I remember your and the retard above assured promises on how the "liberal swedes" will not allow even one percent of votes to be in the pocket of SD before the elections. Where are those assured claims now? Just WAIT and SEE.
16:53 November 27, 2011 by cowboykodp
"I remember your and the truth teller above assured promises on how the "liberal swedes" will not allow even one percent of votes to be in the pocket of SD before the elections"

Are you pulling quotes and data out of your Arse again?

"It does not make them not to avoid immigrants in general. "

Nice grammar for someone who makes fun of people's English skills.

FYI; Swedes do not look at immigrants as "retards". If you knew anything about Swedish culture you would know that Swedes chose respect over confrontation, minding their own business over rudeness and trying to treat everyone as equals.

Of course there are 5% bigots and racists in all societies, the group to which you belong and identify with.
18:33 November 27, 2011 by Uncle
cowboy

You sound more and more like a farmer redneck on a drunk night in a local pub. I love the constant aggression. It shows you in a wonderful light. It also throws a great shadow on your "think-a-likes"

Swedes choose not to live, not to work and not to associate themselves with muslims in any way. Even BMW sales are suffering from it in Sweden. I heard a saying that Audi is the only luxury car left, "not contaminated" by the image of a "pizza boy".

You could continue and shout your drunk slogans, but the reality is here.
21:12 November 27, 2011 by cowboykodp
You are such a complete moron that its not even worth "aggression".

Life must be hell for you.

Enjoy living in the constant cocoon of yours and leave the issues for the big boys.
22:58 November 28, 2011 by godnatt
@ Uncle

Haha, you think these clowns care about reality?

In Oslo, Caucasian Norwegian kids are now getting segregated classes from the immigrants because the Norwegians were all planning on transferring schools to escape their delightful "multicultural" classmates.

They had to segregate the Norwegians to get them to stay.

But I'm sure the WHOLE school is just a bunch of "racist" Nazis.

It couldn't have anything to do with the immigrants "diverse" behavior of course.

REAL Scandinavians don't act like that, right?

Just ask REAL Scandinavians like @cowlick and @Iraniboy.
06:43 November 29, 2011 by ericrufinosiah
For me ,Sweden Democrat is one party that really cares about the basic rights of the native Swedish and I do hope that all righteous thinking natives Swedish

give your votes to Jimme Akesson and his Sweden Democrat in the next National

Election .
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