Published: 7 Sep 10 16:56 CET | Print version
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With the election drawing closer, Fredrik Westerlund takes a light-hearted look at a Red-Green foreign policy promise to 'demand' the United States shut down its foreign military bases. Along the way he talks to academics, embassies and one furious press secretary.
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The poor Social Democrats are stuck with this nonsense in their manifesto,it will cost them tens of thousands of votes in a couple of weeks, and they know it.
If the Social Democrats can't keep the Left Party under control even now, what hope do they have after an election victory? This sort of stuff is fun to watch when presented by some loony party that has no hope of influencing government, but if the Red/Greens actualy win, the Left Party will have a significant say, and we are all going to have to get used to this rubbish.
Nothing againts Americans, but US impose their social political and economic model in the whole world, doesn't respect UN, invades countries that haven't done anything to them, etc.... and that's fine. But if a country like SE demands the closure of US bases abroad, it's stupid. Why? SE doen't have the right to get in the whole world busyness? Ok, cool...... neither the USA.
Ah, americanska ..... the USSR hasn't existed for more than 20 years.
It's not about who has the right to criticise. It's about the reaction one can expect from such a radical and provocative proposal. The game of foreign policy is played mostly through power and profit, not solidarity or ethics. Sweden being a small and powerless country simply can't expect US to listen to anything like this. There are better things to do than exclaiming mindless political slogans. How about shaping the economy and making Sweden a stronger nation, so we come closer to make others listen to us? The Red-Greens are perhaps not smart enough to handle the truth.
Sorry I thought i was obvious but .. here it goes. North Korea is perhaps the worst place on earth by almost any measure . Freedom, poverty etc etc .. they are shot by guards still trying to flee to the poorest part of relatively poor china .. The stalinist leader is now passing his dictatorship to his son.
Now the good part they have nukes and threaten invasion of the democratic south almost daily. If the US pulled out then they would certainly attack .
Sweden is "such a small country" but it happens to be one of the countries who sells the most armament... so, why should the states listen to Sweden... because the are OUR COSTUMERS and we can cut supplies.
And I totally agree, I am tired of the US thinking that the entire world should dance around them when they are not even able to provide medical care or education to their individuals, the average american shouldn't be speaking in public so the entire world wouldn't notice the truth about their country.
@Here for the summer
the summer is over, are you still here? When does your visa expire? I would love to send you back :)
I listen to The Genesis Communications Network, The Republic Broadcasting Network and Liberty News Radio almost every day and hear Americans who call in wondering why so much money is spent by the DoD on maintaining so many military installations throughout the world while at the same time the infrastructure of the United States is collapsing. I know what I hear.
According to OCED the US has the 4th highest percentage of college educated individuals behind Japan, Canada, and New Zealand. You would think that the progressive European countries that offer "free" education would surpass the US in this measure. You talk about the average American but you spout very typical "European" sentiments.
I agree with the Red Green party. I would love to see the US close many of its overseas bases, starting with Europe. It would save US taxpayers money and transfer the liability where it should be, with the European taxpayer.
Besides that point - even if you did stop producing weapons your country would cripple.
communist mass murderer Lenin calls them useful idiots.
most people would agree with him on the latter part, arrogant all-knowing self-righteous enlightened lefties are certified idiots. unfortunately they are only useful to the worst kind of thugs like the one rules north korea.
the scary thing is, they win quite some votes.
@here for the summer, I've NEVER IN MY WHOLE LIFE said that N.Korea is a cool country. Read what I said mate and then answer. We can talk about red vs blue for a life time. I was talking about "to say vs not to say". Anyway, do you think US has bases all around cos they are so nice and feel sorry for these hopeless countries in danger? Or why did they have a base in Franco's Spain for example? I thought it was obious. Most of those bases are not the same as Korea's one. Most of them have very different reasons to be there. In fact, the Korea case is an exeption.
Me, too, would love to see the U.S. close first its bases in whiny Europe.
The reason Europe has "free" medical care is because it was subsidized by Americans who paid for their defense.
@glamelixir: until you know you're talking about maybe it is you who should stop speaking in public.
What on earth do you mean by saying: "The reason Europe has "free" medical care is because it was subsidized by Americans who paid for their defense."
Do you mean that the reason medical care in US is in shambles because the money otherwise spent on health care (as a public good, or a basic right of a citizen?) goes to defence?
By the way, have you ever considered the effect of medical services price to the nations' ability to supply (or indiviual's ability to acquire) this good? Like, why Medicare, for example, takes such a slice out of the Federal budget as it does with a very limited result?
American medical care is not "in shambles," but soon will be under Obamacare.
What "limited result"? Medicare, which you object to, provides excellent healthcare and medicine to millions of people over the age of 65.
Could you substantiate your claim that health care is a "basic right?" Where is that "right" founded (other than in stupid slogans)? And if it is a right, to be funded by the government, what about food? Is that a "basic right?" Housing?
So if I understand correctly, in your opinion health care should not be a right for a citizen, and furthermore, in countries where it is, it is a right that had no justification and thus should be removed? Do we have some other rights that we should get rid of? In your opinion?
How about security? Is that a necessary rigth guaranteed by the state? What do you base that on? Some slogan? Sounds like communism :) Plenty of private corporations can handle that you for.
What is security/defence by the way? Defence against violence to your person? Theft of your property? Against.. disease? By.. some malicious individual (I am not going to say criminal)? A solidier of a foreign power?
Sweet. I feel that a Porsche should be my "basic right." I demand that the state provide me with this right. Right now.
FYI, Rights normally have sources-- enshrined in constitutions, the Napoleonic Code and such. A right is not whatever you personally happen to want or wish for.
The rest of your comments are too incoherent to answer. ("Right against disease." huh????)
This proposal began with the Left Party, but it's now in the Red/Green manifesto. That means it's official Red/Green policy and, if the red/Greens win, it can/will be implemented by the next Swedish government.
There are loads of reasons not to vote Red/Green next week, but this proposal in one of the better ones. Vote for another party, and avoid Sweden actually doing this excrutiating embarrassing thing.
"The presence of foreign forces in the southern part of Korea is contrary to the will of the Korean people. If the US were to withdraw, it would be for the benefit of peace, freedom and the reunification of an independent Korea."
Daniel Uppström of the Swedish-Korean Society agrees:
"A US withdrawal would mean a military detente and disarmament on the Korean peninsula. The Swedish-Korean Society is part of the anti-imperialist movement, and thus we are of the perception that all the imperialist countries, particularly the US, should be forced to withdraw its military forces from other nations. We are in favor of the Red-Green proposal."
So which is it? There will be peace, disarmament and detente or there will be reunification?
I think it's a great idea. Then everyone can see exactly how poorly they have be treated under the American umbrella.
As far as healthcare being so poor here in the US, why are people coming here from all over the world to participate in the medical system here? That includes the Canadian PM, who could have had his operation in Canada but had it done in Sarasota, FL, which is not a major medical center.
Healthcare is not a right any more than living in a castle just because some dreamer says it is does not make it so.
Bill Clinton smoked weed but didn't inhale, Barry Obama did coke but evidently the red-greens are still doing ac id.
Sweden also benifits from the American umbrella.
As I said before I think this is a great idea and I'll push for it here and for us to get out of the UN also. Maybe you folks would like to host the UN and have all the crooked pols from all over the world running around your country.