Published: 24 Nov 12 09:13 CET | Print version
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A 15-year-old boy mailed the Sweden Democrats seeking the party's view on Islam for a school project and received a link to a website showing close up photos of mutilated, decapitated and burned bodies.
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No it is not OK but those murderer terrorists are not sitting in Riksdag passing laws for Sweden!!! It is sad that people like you cannot see the difference and it highlights the depth of ignorance among SD supporters that they keep comparing their politicians with murderers and criminals!!
I do see the difference. For all their faults, the SDs are not killing anyone in the name of their god and calling themselves the Party of Peace.
For a long time it seemed that these SD stories were not deemed newsworthy, just because their profligacy had removed their shock value. But these stories are shocking and as Iraniboy says - this party is occupying seats in Sweden's parliament.
Can u imagine the uproar if the Moderates or Social Democrats had responded in this way?
We should continue to treat SD with the same yardstick that is applied to all the other parliamentary parties and not let them get away with their indiscretions for fear of being accused of conducting a "witch hunt" or being the PC.
Let's stop being soft on SD, show them for what they are. Drägg.
My American brother.... you are still acting like an "angry white man".
Let me put it this way, maybe you and some others on this site will get it.
"Jews are money hungry and thieves". Based on Madoff. Remember him?
"Blacks are thieves and murderers." Based on the number in jails.
"mexicans are criminals". Based on the Mexican cartels.
"Austrians are incestual pigs." Based on Fritzl.
"Christians are all doctor killers" Based on abortion clinic bombings.
I'm guessing you get the point.
So when SD and other Scum talk only about a small number of the worst aspect of a group of people, they are in effect "killing" people. Remember Breivik and Hitler?
Tell me you get that.
Iraniboy. SD are an elected party. Thats called democracy. Most muslim states are dictators and those murduring terrorists are in power
Did I say they are not elected?! Did I say that's not democratic?! Did I say Muslim countries do not have dictators?! In a very optimistic approach, I would guess that you didn't read what I had written in the previous comment!
@Svensksmith
Well it is rather off topic but if you think Islam encourages Muslims to kill and enslave non-Muslims then by they should have eliminated the entire world population they they just accomplish 5 cases during their lifetime! I think this idea is more delusional than that of Timothy!!
It is very unwise to say something without knowing the real truth about it. I am sure you are matured enough to realize that. Swedes that originated from vikings doesn't make savages, bad drinking habits and stupidity of couple of swedes doesn't make all Swedish people drunk and dumb, Israel bombing on Gaza doesn't make all Jews heartless, US causing massacre for oil doesn't make all Americans greedy.
And I would like to add this to your knowledge - "NO, ISLAM DOES NOT encourages its followers to enslave and kill non-Muslims". Please provide references of whatever idiotic site or place you got this from. And if you want to know about Muhammad and why he fought and married please consult history before talking in public because ignorance is unhealthy.
Muhammad fought for people who needed justice, he married for political and social factors and also married widows whose husbands died in war and needed protection, which you can read about if you are interested. And you call that bad in comparison to many men who raped and tossed of women from war ?
The funny thing is, all swedes are soooo concerned about Muhammad and muslims that it is almost entertaining to read about it. You dont talk about hitler or stalin who killed thousands of people, you dont talk about US who are killing for oil, you dont talk about David who had six wives and numerous concubines or those swedish men who go to thailand to have sex. All you do is sit and talk without knowing what you are talking about. Please learn so that you are not considered the dumbest society soon ;)
I am sincerely sorry for you. You have definitely been indoctrinated.
Oh well...no skin off my back.
May I suggest you read " The allegory of the cave".
You are just a chained man in that cave, only seeing shadows of reality.
Please let me contribute to your 'vast' knowledge that "NO ISLAM DOES NOT encourages its followers to enslave and kill non-Muslims". And it is very unwise to speak in public without doing a little research on what you are trying to say is true/false.
It is almost funny to see how Swedes react to Islam and Muslims, because they are ignorant and sound dumb.
Muhammad fought for justice. He had several wives for political and social reasons, also some were widows from wars who lost their husband and needed protection-and people like you add some spice to it and make negative conclusions. Please research some history before you talk next time?
And I dont understand how can anyone compare Muhammad who never spoke lies with leaders and christians and Jews and romans who kept slaves and whores for pleasure. Even David had David had six wives and numerous concubines. People like you are just ignorant and lack the ability to accept the truth.
Yes there are bad people who are unfortunately muslims but it does not make everyone savage and terrorist. Just like few drunk and dumb swedes dont make all swedish people drunk and dumb, greedy US politicians do not make all americans greedy, heartless jews in isreal does not make all jews like that. Hope you get the point.
(Quran 5:33): The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land.
Quran 9: 123): O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)
I could go on, but I think this is sufficient.
Are there peaceful Muslims? Of course. Muslims are like all people, good and bad. However, I stand firm in my belief that Islam is a fundamentally violent religion. You are free to believe whatever you want.
I'm neither eligible nor motivated to defend Islam. But if Muslims should do exactly as you have said in the previous post, then why non-Muslim exist after all this time? One billion Muslims should have annihilated total non-Muslim population by now if only they had followed their religions 5 times! Indeed some might have believed those verses as you do like Alqaida but apparently an extreme majority think that those verses are referring to specific historical incidences i.e. different wars and not applicable in general. There have been many wars at that time and each was followed by a revelation of Quranic verse.
We may not trust what we read from the history books or what people say but we can trust what we see in people's actions. One billion Muslims cannot hide their actions. Even these fatalities you see in the Muslim countries is equally observed in non-Muslim African or even South African or Asian wars. It all comes from lack of education and prosperous life.
What are you? Like 15 years old??
I was going to quote some violent passages from the Bible and the Torah, but I have a feeling it would be a waste of time.
Google it yourself. You would be surprised.
So, my 15 year old, indoctrinated, angry white friend.. you see.. its extremism in all forms that is the enemy. From the looks of things, you have made a wrong turn somewhere and can proudly call yourself an extremist.
Just hope you don't turn out like Breivik.
Well, I will certainly try not to become like Breivik. Just hope you don't turn out like another Bin Laden.
These are the points that non-muslims usually picks up without knowing what is before or after that quote. Let me help u,
In (Quran 20:71) "He (Pharoah) said: 'Have you believed in him before taking my permission? He is surely your great one who has taught you magic. So, I will cut off your hands and feet from alternate sides, and I will crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees, and you will come to know which of us is greater in retribution and more lasting!' "
Quran(5:33) and its corresponding quotes were about pharaohs and how they used to but of hand and feet in before times. (Quran 5:32) says, "It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel: 'Anyone who kills a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people.' Our messengers had come to them with clarification, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the Earth."
And after that 5:33 comes which talks about how pharaohs used to cut off hand and feet, it does not mean "God will cut off hand or feet" but rather an example of what happened before. (Quran 5:32) "The recompense of those who fight Allah and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land; that is their disgrace in this world and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution." This has been quoted from what the pharaohs said earlier.
And you should know that Quran was sent for general people and as well as people who were present during that time, who were oppressed and mistreated so many of the quotes were directed towards men and women torn from war.
Please use your intelligence rather than ignorance. And so some research.
we could say religion is a part of culture ( an important one anyway )
but is beyond human understanding
what it really matters to us humans is how we live down here
and the fact is we are day by day loosing our race our streets ours cities our whealt (trough welfare for foreings )our womens our most beautifull neighbourghoods our ancient aspect
our civilisation is allmost gone
What absolute twaddle!