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Flow of asylum seekers to Sweden expected to drop: agency

TT/The Local · 8 May 2009, 17:39

Published: 08 May 2009 17:39 GMT+02:00

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In its latest forecast, submitted to the government on Thursday, the Migration Board said it believes the number of asylum seekers coming to Sweden will stay at around 22,000 in 2009 and 2010, which is about 1,000 less per year than the agency forecast back in late February.

At the same time, however, the number of relatives of refugees already living in Sweden who seek residence permits for themselves is expected to reach 51,000 in 2009, up from the previous forecast of 43,000.

The agency expects, however, that the level of refugee-relative migration will dip once again, settling at 43,000 in 2012.

The economic crisis and weak economy have also caused the Migration Board to revise its forecast for how many immigrants are expected to take advantage of Sweden’s recently relaxed rules for granting permits for immigrant workers.

Instead of the previously expected 26,000 applicants per year, the agency now expects to have an annual applicant pool of around 23,000 people.

The Migration Board also expects more people who have been denied Swedish residents permits will be sent home due to its own efforts and those of the police.

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Altogether, therefore, the agency expects the total number of immigrants registered in its system during the forecast period to drop from the current level of 33,900 to around 25,000 by 2012.

TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se)

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18:05 May 8, 2009 by antoniolgj
Oh my God... These numbers are frightening...

I wish I could visit Sweden before it’s gone...

19:15 May 8, 2009 by John Doe
No reasons to worry Tony.... It's already gone to hell :-(
19:19 May 8, 2009 by mikelasel
If there is anything that will make Sweden go away, it is these 'voices' such as your own. You are the real threat mate...
20:19 May 8, 2009 by Eurostan
so we can see more rosengårds in future.
21:28 May 8, 2009 by himilo
It is not shame if sweden recieves more refugees because we need different people from different countries with their knowledges. what is important is make jobe creation so that this immigrants will make defference in future look United States of America. 55000 immigrants are allowed to inter USA per year. All madical doctors engneers and highly qualified peolpe in the world gone to USA. Why EU doesn't want? Sweden must get more immigrant till 2015.
22:00 May 8, 2009 by antoniolgj
"Why EU doesn't want?"

Perhaps we could start with rosengård?
22:36 May 8, 2009 by mikelasel
mmmh...rosengård...rosengård, so perhaps then Auschwitz was the fault of 'immigrant' jews. The situation will never improve until we start taking responsablity for our own actions.
23:00 May 8, 2009 by Omaro
Some people in Sweden love to blame immigrants for everything bad can happen, they are just want somebody to blame for their life being not the way they wanted or just being a little harder, immigrants can enrich and help in developing any country till example there is health staff from many parts of the world today working in sweden.

About why sweden is not like US because simply Americans don`t have xenophobia like most Swedes do. Maybe after 20 or 30 years this will change, untill that day all have to contribute to build a better place to live in and stuff like Rosengård happens everywhere and everyday in the world, remember how many things like Rosengård happened in US, why Rosengård in Sweden has a special meaning then?????
23:25 May 8, 2009 by Kiwi17
The irony of Sweden and western Europe's refugee policies are that the door is thrown open but little thought is given to how the countries will absorb these new immigrants - how they'll integrate and be provided for. I used to live in Germany & saw the same failed policies there. Where I live now in New Zealand only about 500 refugees are permitted entry every year (needless to say, we don't have a Rosengård in NZ). This may seem like NZ is not pulling it's weight - but at least it successfully provides for and integrates every refugee that it accepts. If Sweden cannot provide for the number of refugees they allow entry then that number should be cut. Good intentions are one thing but policies must be practical or they will simply fail.
02:10 May 9, 2009 by Qassim
What on earth does this term mean, "Rosengård" I have no clues of what it does mean, can any one explain it.

On the other hand, perception of each and everyone of us is unique and may be different from other although sometimes some people may sound a bit alike minded. In other words, some people may be pro-immigrants while other may be anti-immigrants. Which every in the country you go the immigrants syndrome is there! Yeah I call it SYNDROME it is kind of sickness. For the Love of God, when shall we come to the conclusion of recognizing Humanity rather than Nationality, Respect rather than Hostility and Hospitality rather than Violence?

I wish to see one day that all human beings of all races, ethnics and religious ideologies live together in Peace and Harmony and with Love and Respect.
02:39 May 9, 2009 by maxime22
why do most immigrants bite the hand that feeds them? what about all the vandalism?

and keep on milking the government (the milktoasty Swedish government) for all it's worth.
03:10 May 9, 2009 by Omaro

Your words are so nice and I agree with you, people must live in peace and harmony, respecting each other but the problem is that some have an occupied bad image for all the immigrants. I am a doctor and i have many doctor friends who told me a lot of discrimination stories when they tried to apply for jobs as doctors. Discrimination is disgusting.
07:44 May 9, 2009 by Bee
Another great article from The Local Come on Editor Bob get your own house in order too. If The Local was made of paper I would not wipe my little Bee bottom with it!
09:34 May 9, 2009 by CanadianEh
Swedes or at least the arrogant ones need to understand the importance of immigration. Sweden has a higher death rate then birth rate meaning without immigrants and refugees, this country would slowly dwindle to a population of nothing. Secondly the new migrants bring culture and social activity which the Swedish people lack. Everyone knows how cold Scandinavia is, and I’m not just talking about the weather, many Swedes are scared of human interaction unless alcohol is in their systems.

The individuals that are on social assistance from the government have no other choice; they have to slowly integrate to the system here in Sweden before they can find employment. The biggest problem with this of course is racism from the employers’ side makes it impossible to find work just because your name isn’t Swedish or other physical reasons.

Immigrants + Sweden = THE FUTURE OF THIS NATION take Immigrants out of the equation and Sweden will soon become a forgot land of Vikings.
11:12 May 9, 2009 by John Doe

Crap as well.

Educated immigrants are indeed a benefit, they integrate quickly, they adapt and learn the language faster. And generally these people come from other European or Western countries.
14:55 May 9, 2009 by gjäntår
Swedes have their own culture and their own mentality. No immigrant should change that. If someone doesn't like their way of behaviour or the way they keep distance in social meanings, than he/she shouldn't go to Sweden. The immigrants should take every effort to fit in the Swedish society, not reverse. Don't take me wrong. I don't have anything against immigration. I think Sweden should welcome all the high educated people for example, that the country needs. But the immigrants should be thankful and by all meanings they should try to adopt themselves to the new situation and try not to be different in any meaning.
15:04 May 9, 2009 by Gilherns
This Question Begs For Answers!!!

Sweden educate a lot of Foreign Students Free annually, and Migration Verket could simply integrate upon demand these students into their system as the USA does.

But Migration Verket prefers to have tens of thousands of people (refugees) come annually , then go through the pains of confirming their status, teaching them swedish and then a trade..all using tax payers hard earnt money..

Why couldnt migration simply take students who came here and received good education to give them permanent status??

Why!? WHY?
15:21 May 9, 2009 by John Doe
@Gilherns: good question, indeed.... maybe some native swedes could answer (if any hanging around on this site/forum)?
15:26 May 9, 2009 by vladd777
no problem with anyone as long as thers only one official wife n the family adapts n integrates n becomes 'swedish' n follows swedish laws. when in rome do as the romans..so to speak.
17:11 May 9, 2009 by jacks
Perhaps it is true that Sweden needs immigrants, who can help the economy to grow. Accepting refugees has proven rather counter-productive for the economy.

Economy and already overburdened local infrastructure should at least find some relief finally from the reduced flow of refugees. Although gains from those savings offset by record-high flow of refugees' family members.
17:15 May 9, 2009 by Pigeons Can't Fly Without Wi
Sweden has around 9,300,000 citizens, the United States of America has around 281,000,000...

Last year Sweden had over 100,000 immigrants coming to the country, and the States (according to you) had around 55,000...I think Sweden is doing it's fair share?
17:24 May 9, 2009 by Princess P
Blimey, there's a whole lot of tosh on this thread. Where should I start?

There are a lot of medical doctors, engineers and highly qualified immigrants here in Sweden too. Reading The Local may give the impression that we are all illiterate but I can assure you we're not.

That comparison is beyond ridiculous and makes you look like a moron.

You seem to be confusing immigrants and refugees. The number of refugees allowed to stay is not a matter of policy, it's a matter of international law.



You are aware that this is a site predominantly for immigrants in Sweden aren't you. Hands up all those who pop out for a bit of vandalism in between posts and who are financially supported by the government. Come on, be honest, apparantly it's most of us.

Really. And what do you base that upon? In my Swedish class there are 4 doctors, 2 accountants, 1 teacher, 1 professor and 3 engineers. Only one of them is from a European or Western country

Why? Surely if a highly educated person brings their skills and abilities to Sweden, for the benefit of Sweden, shouldn't Sweden be grateful to them? And what is wrong with different? My Swedish neighbours like that I am different, especially if they get invited to Guy Fawkes parties and are kept supplied with scones and Cadbury's chocolate.

What? Allow students to stay instead of refugees? You're having a laugh aren't you? The UN are going to love that.
17:25 May 9, 2009 by Kaethar
Well said. I can't believe how arrogant some people are. Who are they to say how Swedes should live? And they wonder why Swedes see immigrants as a threat?

Because education in Sweden was free. Free education + work permit = Enormous influx of migrants. (?)

Now that they're charging for education they're changing the rules... I read about it somewhere on the local but I can't find the article.
17:34 May 9, 2009 by Omaro
Xenophobia can be a culture, hmmmm, how lovely!
17:45 May 9, 2009 by bjluv
Whatever you mean by immigrants, that information is incorrect. US probably took more people into the country annually than that 100,000 you stated for Sweden. 55,000 is only available for the diversity programme.
18:02 May 9, 2009 by Pigeons Can't Fly Without Wi
I don't know about that number. As I wrote, the number did not come from me.

And, I think that the States should accept more immigrants than Sweden, considering that they have about 272 million more citizens than Sweden does?

If you do the numbers compared to the amount of citizens, that means that the States should accept over 3,000,000 immigrants a year to be in the same situation as Sweden is right now.

Considering that many immigrants and refugees flee from countries that the U.S. is attacking, I think that the U.S. has an even greater responsibility than any other country.
19:15 May 9, 2009 by Dodger
Seems like no one wants to point out the elephant in the room….. I'd say it would be a fair generalization to make that, the average Swede is unhappy about Middle Eastern or North African immigrants as a whole coming to Sweden. You can call bullshit on this statement all you want, i am happy to listen to your point of view.

Honestly, when we see Rosengard or Kista or Rinkeby in the paper, which racial stereotype springs to your mind ? The Scots or the Welsh??

The sad thing is that the majority of the immigrants coming from these countries are sincerely happy and appreciative of being here, and are hardworkers that just want a better life for themselves and their family. The Rosengårds that everyone keeps mentioning is basically their children stuck between 2 very different cultures and causing chaos. If they are not Swedish then who are they? I'm of the opinion that if we don't have a proven successful integration strategy and tactical implementation, then we should not accept anyone until we get this part of it sorted out.
19:31 May 9, 2009 by Greg in Canada
Sweden was once a primarily homogeneous society that worked quite well and then all of a sudden your politicians suddenly declared Sweden as being "multi-cultural" and threw the doors open to everybody. It seems they didn't give it much thought as too how this may effect your country in the long term.

The lesson we've learned in Canada with immigration is that "multi-culturalism" has been positive for our country, but you have to be selective as to who you let in. Immigration to any country is a privilege, not a right. The Canadian situation is also a bit different from Sweden as our country has been built exclusively on immigration for the last two hundred years.

As for the refugee situation, Sweden can not continue to try to be mother to the world and expect no consequences from this.
19:58 May 9, 2009 by bjluv
Every country should only allow immigration to attract and select the ones that will benefit the country and not bring in all the Zulus, Chi Fe Mg Zincs, Talibans, Al Qaeda & Co just on the thought of saving the world.

US & Canada allows quite much immigrants into the country legally every year but there are uncountable amount of illegals going into the US each year. Immigrant does not automatically mean Refugee and all who claim Refugee status here in Europe are not really refugee running away from bombs in Asia, Middle East or somewhere in Africa.

Ok little bit education is needed here. Information on the immigration situation of the US, 2008:

U.S. Legal Permanent Residents: 2008

Naturalizations in the United States: 2008

Many of those on non-immigrant admissions to the US will probably end up living in the US

Nonimmigrant Admissions to the United States: 2008

And the unauthorized ones:-

Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: January 2008
21:49 May 9, 2009 by Omaro
I am happy that this subject brings up some activity to the boring life here. LOL
22:10 May 9, 2009 by tewodros
Asyulm is beginning by definition just like handicape as far as I understood ...... in fact, unless u don't ve choice, such as dictator gov't in ur countries .. if u r skilled person, then that is another history ... don't mix skill labour migration and refugee status ... i noticed some people r happy here in sweden because they have got refugee status .. what a mentality!!!! How a person can be happy if he is offically accepted as beggar ...

but forgat about ur stastics and had better to develope +ve thinking .... consdering every body as beggar while not ...
23:55 May 9, 2009 by Brugge
Anyone who says that immigrants provide benefits to Sweden via enhancing their culture is a complete idiot or a self serving non-Swedish person. "Enhancing culture" is removing the old culture to some degree, which in this case is the Swedish culture. Immigrants commit crimes at exponential rates higher than native Swedes and take welfare at extraordinarily high rates as well. The argument that Sweden needs immigrants to make up for the declining population is also ridiculous, as the replacements are not Swedish. You replace a people, you replace a country, you replace a culture. It will be the land formerly known as Sweden, but it will not be Sweden. Hopefully someone in power has some foresight.
00:01 May 10, 2009 by Jamtjim
Utterly unfounded (as well as gramatically inept) racist bullshit. There is no evidence of greater criminality amongst "immigrants" than in Swedes. Just a lier with a zenophobic agenda.
00:41 May 10, 2009 by Brugge
While that message full of errors criticizing the previous about its grammar is adorable, I must simply turn you to these:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/sanandaji6.html (president of the Swedish think tank Captus)





01:19 May 10, 2009 by Omaro
I have always thought that Sweden has higher birth rates than death rates until we had a lecture given by a professor in Surgey at Sahlgrenska hospital in which he said that actually both birth and death rates are nearly equal and it was true. I checked it.

01:31 May 10, 2009 by bjluv
Maybe I wouldnt like to trust everything on that site
01:42 May 10, 2009 by Jamtjim

Thank you for the links, I now understand you a little better but I think that you maybe forgot to add the one from the Klu Klux Klan.

This may seem condecending, but I honestly dont mean to be:

Just because somebody publishes something on the internet does not automatically make it true. This should be basic stuff, but if you base your opinions upon websites with agendas boardering on (if not embrasing) racist sentiments, hey presto, you become racist.

And by the way, is it only non-white immigrants or muslims that you have a problem with? I am an immigrant to Sweden along with many others who read and contribute to this website are we all more likely to be criminal than Sven next door?
01:43 May 10, 2009 by Eurostan

you are correct. europe heading toward civilwar with these muslims.and 80 percent of crimes are by muslim immigrants in denmark norway and sweden. if anybody want reference they can go through above links. civil war already started in france and malmo in sweden.
01:49 May 10, 2009 by Brugge
Im so tired of the word "racist" being thrown around to end any argument or debate or deface any argument. Truth is truth. In regard to the sources not being reliable, none of them are from random pages by mysterious people with agendas except maybe that video, but it has its sources cited. When information across the web overlaps and claims the same thing, then I don't think there is really anything wrong with said information.
01:51 May 10, 2009 by Omaro
I think this will lead us to no where.
01:53 May 10, 2009 by Eurostan
probability that immigrant becoming a criminal is very high than a native swede.there are many immigrants from south america srilanka vientnam china and afghanistan pakistan india iran.......but there is no classified information which immigrants doing crimes. some people say that they are muslims from north africa or middle east and afghanistan. but in norway its confirmed that 80 percent crimes by muslims. in india also most crimes done by muslims.
06:45 May 10, 2009 by Gilherns
Great Contributions going on here!!!

While nobody has answered my question above, I beg to differ on the hate message some pple throw about here!

If this chinese proverb that says (Give a man fish, and u feed him for 1 day, but teach him how to fish, and you feed him for a life time) holds true, then I think by encouraging pple to get contented with asylum status & giving them tax payers' money monthly is counter productive. But a student in Sweden will be productive both for himself & the Swedish Taxverket in future.

Maybe existing policies have to be reviewed, not taken off the table completely!!
06:57 May 10, 2009 by Gilherns
@Jon Doe. Maybe you should continue with the lecture on the need to intergrate educated persons irrespective of where they come from. This I think will do much good to change the mindset I see on this forum. Sometimes these educated persons dont get the attention they deserve because politicians see them as a threat to a dwindling academic culture? Go to Swedish Universities and you will easily tell that the braintrust of research within these Universities comes from outside this culture. The reason why we have two hands is that both hands facilitate the washing of the other..No one is an Island..
10:45 May 10, 2009 by Iraniboy
As a Muslim who has been living in Sweden for 8 months, I see Sweden totally different from this board. All Swedes are shy and conservative to strangers but they are not racists because now after 8 months I have some very nice non-Muslim Swedish friends. They hekp me and they are kind to me more than my countrymen. I haven't come across racists like Eurostan, Brugge,... Why can't I see you in real life? :p
12:00 May 10, 2009 by jacks
Time to officially define "racists" before things get worst..

SFI can be an ideal means for providing a compulsory course on "Swedishness" with extremely "tough-looking" passing criteria.

Passing the course to be kept mandatory for all asylum seekers, refugees and their family members before letting them with any extent of longer duration residency status.

It is high time to consider such options in order to reduce intensity of complications such as crime and anti-democratic sentiments.
12:09 May 10, 2009 by Iraniboy

Racists are those who belittle/insult/... others merely according to where she/he comes from regardless of his/her personal qualifications. We have a poster called "Eurostan" who do this in almost all of his/her posts.

I agree with your proposal. Sometimes these refugees simply don't don't know that they are bothering others. If there was compulsary courses to let them know, then there were no excuse for misbehaviour.
12:26 May 10, 2009 by jacks
I wish it might be that simple to define "racist"...But it's not...
12:38 May 10, 2009 by Jamtjim

A rasist is someone who believes that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some race with an intrinsic superiority.

There are posts here from people who are totally and unambiguiously rasist.
12:47 May 10, 2009 by tewodros
Brugge... have u read abt globalization ? I don't think so .. if that was the case u might not try to argue from one point of view .. plz be adviced that when u need to argue, u had better take in to consideration the pros and cons of the topic . As far as I understood, besides what you have tried to mentioned above ,or the disadvantage of immigrants ,I still belive that and also objectively measurabled in terms of figures ,immigrants have +ve contribution to the host countires ... if that was not the case, as you said, what you r demanding now to the existed sweden gov't in power, can be turnd out to reality.But the opposite is true ..
13:19 May 10, 2009 by Omaro

I wonder how many (hatred) white cells u have in your blood, I advice u to do blood test urgently because high hatred white cells is not healthy not only to u but to others as well.
14:06 May 10, 2009 by Marc the Texan
Sweden, if you act like a doormat, you'll be treated as one. Stop feeling guilty as a nation. Stop giving handouts to everyone who asks for one. The third world has made you feel guilty about who you are because you've done well for yourselves. Most of these immigrants come from extremely intolerant societies and are far more racist than any Swede. Immigrants, stop spitting in the face of a generous nation that by rights owes you nothing. If you don't like it, go back to your home country and make it a better place.
14:14 May 10, 2009 by Eurostan
all muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims in many countries not only in europe or middle east but also in india and indonesia.

non muslims are welcome here in sweden. but muslim people with many children(5 )or with beards or with veils or muslims people who want to build big mosques no more welcome here in sweden or europe.
14:27 May 10, 2009 by jacks
We must not rule out possibility of different perspectives.

It is true that certain cultures convey a value system that might diminish abilities of individuals from those cultures in appreciating the truth.
14:51 May 10, 2009 by Iraniboy

You can repeat this forever and I can always say. All non-Muslims don't rape their daughters but all of those who have raped their daughters since last year have been non-Muslims from Austria,Italy,India,...It simply shows how worthless this approach is! Yes around 100 out of 1'000'000'000 Muslims around the world have terrorised non-Muslims. But how many non-Muslims have terrorised Muslims?

I really don't know how the someone's appearance can make a trouble for others! I always thought that there are other factors that should make up our minds about others!!

Like I said before fortunately it's not you who decide who is welcome and who is not and there are many of like you in Sweden or at least around me!!
15:03 May 10, 2009 by Iraniboy

Defining racism is not really that difficult. Hitler was a well-known racist. He believed that all Jews are automatically bad because they are Jew. No matter who they are and what they do. This is the same argument we hear from some posters here. Just substitute "Jews" with "Muslims". Another example of racism is the comment above your last comment. That One's appearance makes someone bad regardless who that person is and what he does.
16:32 May 10, 2009 by Brugge

I honestly cannot read or decipher the majority of your post. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make except that "immigrants are good k". You didn't give any evidence of anything. Also, @iraniboy, "All non-Muslims don't rape their daughters but all of those who have raped their daughters since last year have been non-Muslims from Austria,Italy,India" isn't even a little true. What are you even talking about. Are you seriously trying to say that the only daughters who have been raped are the internationally publicized few cases?

And "Defining racism is not really that difficult. Hitler was a well-known racist. He believed that all Jews are automatically bad because they are Jew." Is NOT the definition of racist, and claiming racists are hitler is absolutely ridiculous and you should feel bad for saying that. Racism is the belief that races are different and some are better than others. Not hatred of all people that are not you.
17:15 May 10, 2009 by Omaro

What u have posted is a kind of racial discrimination and it is a type of racism and it is normal thing to meet persons like u everyday, ppl who are full with hatred towards specific group or ethnicity. I understand why ppl like u are doing that, they just want somebody to blame. I feel sorry for u.
17:48 May 10, 2009 by Brugge
Yes, what I have said is discriminating. It's also true. "full of hate", please. I have never once said I hated anyone nor have I done much of anything except state facts. If the facts make someone look bad, that's not my fault and it doesn't make me a person full of hate. I'm not sure what you mean by wanting someone to blame, either. No one has stated any problems that need a scapegoat, except problems with immigrants themselves. You don't even have an argument against the negative effects of immigration, just vague personal attacks. If claiming that being against immigration is racist, then I guarantee, not only are enormous numbers of people racist, but racism isn't even wrong, its just one side or the other. Immigration at the vast scale that is occurring right now both legal and illegal is hurting Europe in many ways. I can't take anyone seriously who would refute that with "you are white and hate everyone".
18:14 May 10, 2009 by Eurostan
mr irani boy

you said that all who raped their daughter are non muslims. do you any source ??????????????. you have any proof that muslims do not rape their daughter in 1.5 billion population. NOW RAPING DAUGHTER IS NOT A GLOBAL PROBLEM. TERRORISM AND TALIBANS are the problem.incest cases are psycological illness of some inviduals.

sweden is the democracy. swedish people have the right to decide who to come in the long run.just see the britan.

and tell me france banned headscrafs in the frace schools.ask france authorities what the problem head scraf
18:52 May 10, 2009 by bjluv
There are many rotten minds on this thread... and with minds like this, humanity goes no where unfortunately
19:42 May 10, 2009 by Iraniboy

I didn't limit racism to Hitler but obviously he was real dangerous racism. His views about Judaism and Jews is similar to th views some posters here and elsewhere.

Unreported rape cases can be among both Muslims and non-Muslims.
19:53 May 10, 2009 by Iraniboy

Terrorism is not global problem. More than 1000 were brutaly killed in 9/11 but more have been killed by US forces in Afghanistan. I don't blame you, you might have heard/seen more than a million article/tv programs,...about this 1 over 10'000'000 on Muslims but probably not as much about rapists, peodophiles,...

Democracy is the least worst goverments. Don't forget that Germany was also a democracy in 1940s. Fortunately Sweden is democracy along with tolerant people.
20:38 May 10, 2009 by Omaro
@ bjluv

Humanity with such minds wouldn`t only go no where but it will go hell indeed but I believe good ppl are more than bad ones. Thx God Sweden keep monitoring such minds from a distance.
20:55 May 10, 2009 by Jamtjim
Eurostan. I believe that France actually banned the wearing of religious clothing and parafinalia in schools. This includes Jewish head caps as well as Christian crusifixes. It was not in regard to one particular religion but rather ALL religions.

The problem is not whether you are white or black, Christian or Muslim, Asian or African, the real problem is people like you who are incapable of addressing your own failings and choose to blame a minority group instead. It is people like you who should not be allowed to live in a civilised and tolerant society.
00:11 May 11, 2009 by GefleFrequentFlyer
I'll agree iwth Tony.

In the past 8 years I've been travelling to sweden and back on a regular basis, I have seen the decline of the traditional swedish state first hand.

22,000 immigrants annually on a population base of 9million is a significant number.
03:20 May 11, 2009 by Corvinus
All this talk of religion really irks me, I mean whenever it is brought up = conflict. Be it an internet forum or on a battlefield.

Are we not advanced enough now to see that believing in omnipotent super-beings who plonked us on a ball of dirt then threw us down a rulebook is well, a bit rediculous? And then for people to start killing people over this garbage? Leave imaginary friends to the children folks.

Religion is fine for a hobby for those that want to get involved, it saddens me to see how it plays such a huge role in so many cultures still though. It had a place in keeping the populace nice and well behaved a few centuries ago perhaps, but in this age of education it's amazing to see otherwise forward-thinking bright individuals seriously genuinely believe that when they die they are going to go to some kind of cocktail party in the sky with a bunch of other dead guys.

Countries laws and norms should not be controlled by fairy tales.
06:03 May 11, 2009 by Brugge
You're absolutely right. As science's vast and unshakable wisdom has shown, first there was nothing. Which then exploded...

As far as unreported rapes within and outside the Muslim community go, sure. I'm sure there's plenty on both sides. I will also say that the muslim community is probably the only one that punishes women for being raped, and in some cases goes as far to justify it against non-muslims, saying they deserved it.
09:22 May 11, 2009 by Eel
Not during the war. The nazis abolished democracy in the 1930s.

Swedish integration is . And that´s partly because Sweden let so many in. How the hell is a small town like Malmö supposed to be able to deal with 3000+ a year? Kids in Rosengård dont even speak the language!

Only 5-10% of immigrants are asylum seekers. Let them and people with work qualifications we need in, and give the people who´re already here a chance to adjust to Swedish society before we let more in.
10:01 May 11, 2009 by DidiE
Iraniboy says: All non-Muslims don't rape their daughters but all of those who have raped their daughters since last year have been non-Muslims from Austria,Italy,India,...It simply shows how worthless this approach is! Yes around 100 out of 1'000'000'000 Muslims around the world have terrorised non-Muslims. But how many non-Muslims have terrorised Muslims?

Other posters have asked you to verify your statement, which you have not done. The burden of proof is on the person making the claims, when the claims are so outrageous. Do you care to revise the statement you posted? If I tell you I know at least two Moslem women who were abused by their fathers, and, with just five minutes on the web, I can provide you with a list of well over 100 Moslems convicted of terrorist acts, what would that do to your world view? Maybe nothing- when the lights aren't on, and the blinds are drawn, that usually means nobody's home.
10:08 May 11, 2009 by Markbase with an Invisible Q
I really, really like the "Ignore" function.
10:08 May 11, 2009 by Omaro
To those Europeans who have Islamophobia

10:33 May 11, 2009 by DidiE
I like the Ignore function, too.

I can't HEEEEER you.

But I wonder, sometimes...I come from a family of Mormons, I lived next door to Jehovah's witnesses for years, and I like to think I know a little something about missionary work. You go where the ground is fertile, right? I have asked repeatedly on this site for some one, ANYONE, who has been converted to Islam or Christianity or the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster to make him-herself known, and so far, no one has come forth with a shiny clean face, eyes full of hope, screaming, Yes, Yes, My life has changed because of KM (or, insert favourite initials here.)

So why, in God's great name, would anyone come here and think that they'd get lucky? Is it like my ex-husband, who believed if he just begged and pleaded long enough, my resistance would wear down, and I'd give in, just to shut him up? (THAT never worked, either, in case you're reading this thread for relationship tips.) What is it about this little enclave of almost complete nonbelievers (I have now counted three of us who state that we are Christians, and one I rather think might be, but that doesn't mean I'm keeping a secret list, either) that encourages daily solicitations to consider joining, say, Islam, or flavour of the hour? Is it because TL offers a venue where half intelligible English postings are considered reasonable conversion tactics? I truly don't get it- has anyone anywhere in the world actually watched three hour long sermons on Youtube and joined up? If so, wouldn't you sort of wonder about the quality of the conversions?

Yeah, it's Monday after Mother's Day, and I'm worn down by being nice all day long yesterday. I know I sound cranky, but I am actually sincere in my befuddlement- to whom does this kind of nonstop propraganda appeal to?
10:37 May 11, 2009 by Princess P
Can't spell either.
10:40 May 11, 2009 by DidiE
Did she post something? Can someone tell me what it was?
11:39 May 11, 2009 by Jamtjim
Utter rubbish. Modern physics has provided us with a good understanding of what happened upto a tiny fraction of a second after the Big Bang. There are several theroies about what happened before this and even "before" the big bang. These range from superstrings to collisions between multi-dimensional membranes. No accepted theory that I am aware of states that there was "nothing".
12:11 May 11, 2009 by Omaro
Swedes better find solutions to other problems in their society and let them try not to blame the immigrants for the following ...

Drug addiction in Sweden cost the government 60 milliard kronor every year, is it because of the immigrants?

Psychological problems, suicide attempts is a serious problem in Sweden, is it also because of the immigrants?

Swedish doctors as soon as the get the whole benefit of the education system and learn how practice medicine in Sweden , pack his bags and leave to the US and Canada, is it also because of the immigrants?

Cases of pedophilia comited by some swedes not only in Sweden but in other countries, is it also because of the immigrants?
12:16 May 11, 2009 by Eel
Wtf has that got to do with anything?

There are problems with immigration in Sweden. End of story.
12:26 May 11, 2009 by DidiE
Yes. You are posting your questions to a board full of immigrants, so keep my answer a secret, but yes, it's because of immigrants. More specifically, all problems in Sweden are MY fault. On Mondays I run my little import business and bring in all of the hash, weed, and pills you could ever want. On Tuesdays I play Depeche Mode and urge everyone to off themselves, and on Wednesdays, I smuggle Swedish doctors into the US. Although they can't actually practice there without a huge amount of trouble, that's not MY problem. Now you know my secret. Hope this contributes to the intelligent issues you raised.
12:27 May 11, 2009 by Omaro
It is not the end of the story, it is the beginning of it, maybe it is the end for your story.
12:30 May 11, 2009 by Eel
Good on you for playing Depeche Mode.
13:27 May 11, 2009 by Omaro
On Tuesdays I play Depeche Mode and urge everyone to off themselves

13:35 May 11, 2009 by DidiE
Go ahead and put them on today if you need a head start. It's okay with me.
13:57 May 11, 2009 by Markbase with an Invisible Q
Ahh... "Ignore" ance is bliss!
13:58 May 11, 2009 by Omaro
No, I just quoted your words, you are giving me headache from the Depeche Mode, better have your sleeping, u like sleeping I think. LOL
16:06 May 11, 2009 by applejuice
Hi I am new to this web. Just wish to add an interesting personal story.

Last January, I was heading back to Germany and had a conversation with a female immigrant, lived in Germany. Proudly, she said that her mom, brother and his family has been living in Sweden for about 6 years. No job, all supported by the goverment and speak very little Swedish.

My boyfriend is Swede and I once bumped in a Doner, few immigrant teenagers, speak very bad Swedish to the waitress (BF told me, and the waitress had to asked several times).

Honestly, if you compare to that in Germany, you would never complain. I am a student here in Germany and I have to master the language (no question ask, pass DSH exam in 1 year). So I will be looking forward to move to Sweden and off course learn the language (target 1 year!)
16:22 May 11, 2009 by Omaro
WOW, thx for the VAIN show.
17:20 May 11, 2009 by odinmp5
wao.. some comments here are really scary.

how on earth "Rosengårds" popping here and there are good for sweden??

birth rates are low, i know,..but do we need more mohameds??

18:15 May 11, 2009 by Iraniboy

It's so sad that you didn't hear about those cases.Which part of my statements need to be verified?

Austrian Fritzl


Italian Frtizl


Indian Fritzl


Number of Muslims

0.700 billion or more, Barnes & Noble Encyclopedia 1993

0.817 billion, The Universal Almanac (1996)

0.951 billion, The Cambridge Factfinder (1993)

1.100 billion, The World Almanac (1997)

1.200 billion, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic relations)


So what percent of Muslims are convicted of terrorist attack? If one percent of Muslims were terrorists we might have had 10'000'000 terrorists!! So you can crealy see how the number of terrorists is negligible to the whole population of Muslims. This is just deliberatly exaggerated for political agenda.

I'm not afraid of proof, sir. I thought you knew them!
18:29 May 11, 2009 by DidiE
Iraniboy- of course you are right! All rapes everywhere around the world are reported in in every news source, and we can absolutely and conclusively state there are NO more whacked out fathers anywhere in the world, Muslim or not, holding daughters captive, because you proved they aren't. And your original statement that there were only 100 terrorists in the world, of course I should have known you meant something really different. I am sorry, and apologise to you, and hereby acknowledge that YOU are right, I am wrong, and as punishment I'm going to place myself in Ignore, so that I will no longer be reminded of how inept I am. You really showed me, I guess, Madam, I did not knew the proofs you did.
19:57 May 11, 2009 by Markbase with an Invisible Q
Damn you DidiE; you made me curious enough to "view this post" for one of my Ignorees' posts.
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