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Migration Board bans 'racist' lawyer

TT/David Landes · 15 Jul 2009, 18:04

Published: 15 Jul 2009 18:04 GMT+02:00

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Back in June, the local Sydsvenskan newspaper drew attention to the racist and anti-immigrant views espoused on the personal blog of Hans-Ola Mårtensson, a lawyer previously contracted by the Swedish Migration Board (Migrationsverket) to represent the interests of asylum seekers.

“Tear down Rosengård, Hammarkullen and Tensta and send those living there to Norrland and Lappland [in Sweden’s far north]. There they can be integrated, learn Swedish, be de-Islamified, and be happy,” wrote Mårtensson, referring to areas in Malmö and Stockholm with high concentrations of immigrants.

The post is one among many on his blog which feature racist and anti-immigrant overtones. Following the newspaper’s report, however, Mårtensson elected to take down the blog.

According to the Migration Board, the revelations about Mårtensson’s views have damaged his credibility.

“It’s important for our representatives to have the confidence of asylum seekers and we don’t think that he does,” said acting Migration Board director Mikael Ribbenvik to the TT news agency.

In a response to migration officials, he argues that he is capable of drawing a line between his professional responsibilities and his private views.

But Ribbenvik rejected Mårtensson’s reasoning.

“That doesn’t work at all. When he goes public with those opinions and they can be viewed by asylum seekers, it damages not only his, but also our credibility with asylum seekers,” he said.

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The Migration Board decision means that Mårtensson’s name has been added to a list of lawyers deemed inappropriate for working with the agency as advocates for asylum seekers or others who require legal representation.

TT/David Landes (news@thelocal.se)

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18:55 July 15, 2009 by totyis
"Racist, no, you are a racist!" Gee, that's boring. What is racist about not being comfortable with a religion in which the woman does not have the same rights as the man? Is Sweden a democracy, a secular state? The man had an opinion, a stand, and finally a suggestion (bad or good). The reaction was dismantling : "You're a racist."... and fired.
19:11 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
Wait totyis,

Do you know what is the lawyer job and who can be a proper lawyer?

You should first learn the duty of lawyer then speak you sound also racist.

You can be racist and have your blog but out of office, to work in office you need to be Normal person and racists are not normal they are cancer.

We shouldnt forget HITLER who hated so many and killed these racist losers would finally follow the hitler and we should stop them.

Another word of Advise to you my son. WE ARE ALL BORN FROM ADAM AND EVE . We are all brother and sister, we should not be racist toward eachothers. They should follow ISLAM to know the value of life and others.

At the time oh Mohammad pbuh they used blacks as slaves and When he came He made the slave the governer of that City and since and thought us to NOBODY IS GREAT THAN EACHOTHERS EXCEPT those who are nice and gentle toward their bro n sisters.

so stop being racists.
19:13 July 15, 2009 by Emfa
Is there any religion where they teach that women and men have the same rights?
19:21 July 15, 2009 by Eurostan
religion itself is psycological desease. islam(beard and veil)and jehovah witnesses are need immediate medical attention.
19:48 July 15, 2009 by Iraniboy
We always talk about Hitler who hated Jews and caused that disaster. Why don't we put an end to this Islamophobia and apparent racism? It's not just 1950s. Last week we had another case who hated Muslims. His hatred led to 18 knife stabbs. Should 6 million Muslim get killed by supporters of far right groups to start taking action against this?

I'm afraid that people like eurostan and totys should also take some lessons that in the 21st century hatred and fascsism has no place. We don't want to see what we saw last week in German's court or 60 years ago in Europe.
20:03 July 15, 2009 by NEFT|S
What Hitler did was a huge mistake and it cannot be justified. But this will not take away the right to criticise a certain ideology or defend the secular state. I think that some immigrants abuse Europe when they face a problem by accusing a state of being racist, and the big problem is that Europeans just buy that. I don't how. Is it a feeling of guilt for Hitler's mistake?

Religions doesn't have anything good to offer to the secular state. Its moral ideas is based on our knowledge about ourself more than 2000 years ago. And you cannot even argue with religious people. They are intolerant enough to call you a racist and bear disrespect to the sacred values of religions. Radical religious people did not bother to read more and en light themselves with different kind of knowledge than reading from one book.

I can tell that radical Islamists , popes, and fundamentalist Jews are one book far from being totally ignorants.
20:19 July 15, 2009 by peropaco
I see a double standard in the Swedish system. They dismiss this guy for his comments on his blog but what about the judge in the pirate bay case? Besides that, he is a complete idiot.
20:32 July 15, 2009 by theibmsstate

I will explain to that people who are not aware about ISLAM,how you can say that in islam women dont have rights, in islam women has more rights and more respect, as a mother as a sister as a daughter, nobody has the right to criticize other religion, sweden is democratic country, swedish government knows better what is right and what is wrong,i am proud on swedish government.Islam gives respect to the women.
20:42 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
I think all are racists. Everyone discriminates one another. So, I don't think the lawyer himself should be insulted. I feel sorry for the lawyer as he has been insulted.

There is proper law and order in Sweden. Look into other country websites... they write all racist comments.

Sweden is far better than other countries when compared to blogs. I don't think the blog should be taken to court. It's his personal page to discriminate whoever he wants.
20:44 July 15, 2009 by CTIDinÅrsta
In a democracy everyone has the right to criticize religion. That's why religions try and curtail democracy at every turn.

(need vigorous fanning with Thomas Paine paperback to calm down).
20:48 July 15, 2009 by Rubbi
A bit like homophobes.
20:56 July 15, 2009 by totyis
NeftIs-like your style and I agree with You. Emfa-I have to admit that your question is rhetorical. No, I have no knowledge about such a religion. Kind Man and Iranibo-I have a comment related to another article on TL Couple dubbed racist ... . You have just demonstrated what I was saying there. Thank You. By the way watch this if you like so much to speak about hitler: Obsession: Islamo-Fascism, Miscelaneous it's on youtube,

or fitna.

21:09 July 15, 2009 by theibmsstate
Democratic doesn't mean whatever you want you can comment..

the government knows better and the judge knows better.so nobody can criticize on government and on judge.love this world and love every one.

21:14 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
Yes, IT IS ISLAM, We have the same rights in Islam,

Let me make it clear for you. First of all we should accept that we have the same rights but but but we are not the same. Men and Women are made different this is the huge issue. I cant be women even If i kill myself LOL a women cant be a man.

Since we are both different creature Ofcourse we would have some different law and rules in order to protect our so called privacies

Some Islam haters now would bark here and say ohhh Why woman wear Hajib? not man

QURAN first orders the Man to wear proper dress and Then it says to women to wear proper dress.

If we (men) doesnt follow the rules of Islam then blame us not ISLAM islam is the Only relgion with speaks with details about many issues.

If you read Bible bible also tells you IF WOMEN dont wear Hajib then she should shave her head off.

Bible is more mean to ladies I am sorry to say. i dont want to attack any religion . because I love my Christians bro and sisters as much I do love my muslims. but we must accept the truth.
21:19 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
If the matter goes to court then everything is taken seriously. But, outside the court I see many racists. They make indirekt racist comments. It can be anyone from the society. I cannot take the whole world to the court.

Everyone discriminates everyone. You cannot love everyone and you cannot hate everyone.

I support the lawyer. I think he should be free to express whatever he wants. He is expressing whatever he has in his heart. But many racists keep everything in their heart and do not reveal them.
21:19 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
Are you friggin' kidding me!

Wooopsy! Hitler spilled the milk.

This is getting me really pissed. State sanctioned genocide, systematic racial persecution of people and bureaucratized mass-slaughter is not a mistake. It was premeditated, intentional and cold-blooded. And the Nazis weren't an aberration either. Look at the Brits in Tazmania. The French in Algeria. The Spaniards in the Moroccan Rif. The Belgians in Congo. The Dutch in South Africa. All have been massacring locals based on race. Social Darwinism predates Hitler and the "White Man's Burden" wasn't his creation either.

Heck, Sweden as a state promoted racist theories and eugenics late into the 20th century.


There are a bunch of ignorant mothertruckers on this board!

One of the central precept of a secular state is freedom of religion.

Buddihsm, Judaism and Zoroastrianism, yes.

Christianity and Islam, certainly not.

Of course you can. That's what you're doing right now.

Can't tell I disagree.

But let me add that radicals of all walks of life are totally ignorant morons. And you appear to be a radical religiophobe.
21:23 July 15, 2009 by CTIDinÅrsta
Ahh! Is that why women should be buried up to the chest when being stoned to death but men only buried up to the waist?
21:24 July 15, 2009 by Gwrhyr
Islam is a religion, and in a free and democratic society everyone has the right to criticize religion, just as the religious have the right to criticize the non-religious. I think that when Europeans act as if Islam is an ethnicity it is racist and misinformed, it leads to Europeans classing all dark-skinned immigrants into one group, and it is the reason that many Europeans are clueless about the Islamic world and think that Turks and Iranians and Somalians all speak Arabic (I heard this a lot from Dutch people when I was living in the Netherlands) and that they all share the same culture, etc, etc. People from many different countries come to Europe and get classed as part of the 'Islamic race' and are then misunderstood and discriminated against, which only incrrases tensions in society and misunderstanding on all sides.
21:26 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
I have never heard of this law. but even if it is true that could be some women chests are longer than the men waist? (because they have hanging boobs LOL)
21:27 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
To some extent. Within the big three Abrahamaic religions, it is the one that comes closest. But no, women and men don't have the same rights in Islam. They don't have the same duties either, but I digress...

Women inherit half of what their male siblings would. They are also forbidden from leading prayers or becoming Imams.
21:29 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
Here in Sweden many things are taken seriously. In many other countries there is no proper law.

They make foolish judgements in public and stone them to death.

Video Showing Beating Of Girl by Taliban in Pakistan


Five Pakistani Women Buried Alive in Group Honor Killing


I am sure youtube will delete this videos soon.
21:31 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
Bible verses regarding head covering or Hijab. It clearly states that the woman needs to cover up her hair.

King James Bible CORINTHIANS 11:1-18

11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

11:8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse

11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
21:35 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
I support his right to express freely his opinions, as inflammatory and destructive as they may be.

But I also support the board's decision to can him. I mean, you can't have a member of a pro-copyright group as the judge in a case concerning bittorrent trackers. Errr...wait, you can.
21:40 July 15, 2009 by totyis
Kind Man, i'm speechless :"Bible is more mean to ladies I am sorry to say. i dont want to attack any religion . because I love my Christians bro and sisters as much I do love my muslims. but we must accept the truth." Who's truth? Fox Mulders truth? And you are out there: "Bible is more mean to ladies I am sorry to say." Say what you really think. Oh wait, you have already done that.
21:41 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
They've been up for months (one is almost a year old). They are also properly cached all over the web.

What makes you think youtube will delete them "soon"?
21:44 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
I just thought so. But, if youtube doesn't delete then it is better.

I just wondered because some companies pay to Youtube and dig the movie or music videos and delete them.

Or, maybe I was a bit stupid to say so.
21:48 July 15, 2009 by theibmsstate
See about Islam by Dr Zakir Naik

In No religion its defined that Dark hair is superior on Brown hair and Brown Hair on Dark.

other thing what is respect of woman in islam, when women Cover herself.

See the Divorce ratio in muslim countries or European Countries.

Islam forbid Pork, people eat now swineFlu.

which Islam said its True.
21:49 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
Listen you are not listening to me. If we are different we should different duties why it doesnt go your through your big head?

Sweden still got no Female Prime Minister, The Women still get less salary than Men here.

they are more advanced countries who still hates to be ruled by females .. you want me to list them more?

But Thank God

PAKISTAN An ISLAMIC COUNTRY FIRST PRIME WAS A LADY IN 1988. many ppl just don't read history. and I am sorry for her because of Nasty western evil politics towards Oil rich countries or Nuclear. she was murdered. She was connect with UK and US didnt like her of course?
21:51 July 15, 2009 by NEFT|S
For locaxy comment, I agree that we all did that mistake- and it is a mistake-.This mistake is simply caused by something higher than religion. It is ideology. the fatal flaw in our genes that drives us to expand our comfort zone by joining other individuals under the shade of an idea. The bad thing about an ideology is that it distinguish our differences than our similarities.

We have to realise that humans are not special, not sacred, we share 99% of our genetic code with chimps and should not forget that evolved and developed a diet based on hunting and killing. We are full of fatal flaws that need a lot of fixes. Unfortunately religions doesn't say so.
21:55 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
Please shut up.
21:58 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
Please have a look at short saying of Prophet Mohammad


Look and read what He said to us. and after reading should we blame Islam?

He says something about racism 1400 years ago that we modern guys still cant solve it and hating each others.

I accept they are some bad Muslims who don't understand Islam and make the Islam name bad. I want to kill them LOL
22:01 July 15, 2009 by Eye_Witness
Project "War-on-Terror" has helped American a lot for achieving their LONG TERM strategic goals, but it seem now that european want to follow the suit, but I feel at the same time, they are taking the this phrase " War-on-Terror" very personal. Wake up and cash it before it turns into a real monster for you all.
22:03 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
See about Islam by Dr Zakir Naik

In No religion its defined that Dark hair is superior on Brown hair and Brown Hair on Dark.

other thing what is respect of woman in islam, when women Cover herself.

See the Divorce ratio in muslim countries or European Countries.

Islam forbid Pork, people eat now swineFlu.

which Islam said its True.

Ok. Just as you say eating swine flue.

Suppose let's think in Islam it is forbidden beef, then would you say it's mad cow disease because of Islam rules which is written in koran.
22:12 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
Bible says " do not eat pork"

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

[Leviticus 11:7-8]

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."

[Deuteronomy 14:8]

it also says don't drink alcohol. When you eat pork you get so many disease, when you drink alcohol you get mad and you kill someone, that is why every weekend in Europe at least 5 or 10 people gets killed
22:17 July 15, 2009 by Kind Man
You mean 9-11 was inside job? Bush and Dick Cheney did it? the hided many things from congress?

Yup, I agree that it was complete inside job. to get OIL in Iraq Iran and Afghanistan is richer than them untouched mines and many things there.
22:19 July 15, 2009 by Iraniboy
It's funny that some people still classify this as critcism of religion! Criticism is one thing. banning is something else. This thug consider Islam as a diseas so he actually call for ban of it. This is against freedom. He calls Muslims of having a psychological disease. This is a show of hatred against a group of people with specialy way of life (right or wrong!) In extreme cases these people commit what happened in Germany last week or when they come to power they kill all of those people who have this bad way of thinking (i.e. Islam!!!)
22:21 July 15, 2009 by High Priestess Kang - Slut
Bible says, "KindMan is a fool."
22:27 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
It's hard to "listen" to you when all you spout is gibberish.

And you think that is proof one of the most egalitarian societies in the world is secretly dominated by men?

Correlation != causation.

Not just here. It's a universal trend. Women, on average, tend to be less career-driven than their male counterparts. Biological clock and all...

But...at least, they can get an education, a job and drive on the roads here. Much more than can be said about many so-called Islamic countries.

It's not hate. Not at all.

Royal came very close to becoming a French president. But she came off as completely clueless during her debate with Sarkozy. As much as I hate the latter, she just wasn't cut out for the job and the French people not voting for her had nothing to do with her gender.

Clinton was favorite for the D. ticket this year. And had she not been facing that smooth talking, charismatic, pretty boy who hypnotized not only the US but the entire world, she might have had a fairly good chance. And in the case McCain won, his medical conditions make Palin in the White House a not-so-unlikely event.

Bottomline, it's closer than you think. Women will get there. Everywhere.

Razia Sultana was the third major independent Muslim ruler of the Sultanate of Delhi in India. Queen Shajarat ad-Durr ruled for a few years in Egypt. And Soyembika of Kazan, ruled the Kazan Khanate. All Muslims. Closer to our times, and on top of Ms. Bhutto (may she rest in peace), allow me to add Megawati Sukarnoputr who was president of Indonesia. Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina were prime ministers of Bangladesh, and in Turkey we have Tansu Çiller. Even radical Islamist political movements are headed by women as illustrated by Nadia Yassine of Al-adl wa-alihsan in Morocco.

So the first, second and third most populous majority-Muslims have been ruled by women in the last two decades and you still get twats saying Muslims hate women (when half of Muslims are women themselves).

The Pakistani "lady" was murdered by a bunch of thugs who think women are there to serve men. Not by the UK nor the US. You may argue that the latter's foreign policy helps swell the ranks of those thugs, but it's in no way imputable to them. This is a clear case of misinformation.

She was a progressist. And that's enough to get you whacked in Pakistan.
22:30 July 15, 2009 by theibmsstate
People Agree what Islam said everything is becoming true.

i just want that people has misconceptions about Islam.i just want to clear that misconceptions.

Islam is peaceful religion.muslims are peaceful.

everyday Muslims are killed in different countries.Muslims Has OIL for OIL muslims are killed. If arab countries stop the OIL for 1 month than see what will happened. all the world and every where people need OIL.
22:31 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
Good one!

I'm sure plenty of Hinduists brought out that argument when mad cow disease showed up. The difference is that they might actually have had more of a point seeing as you would actually catch the bug when eating infected bovines.
22:40 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
CODEIf arab countries stop the OIL for 1 month than see what will happened. all the world and every where people need OIL.

If all countries stop food to arab then see what happens. They survive by drinking oil?

Every country depends on one another for one or the other reason. Otherwise we would all be living where we are with less comforts. The days have changed now. Exports and imports are everywhere.

Arab countries are under developed. There is no proper technological work or any proper industry. Foolishly they have been building big buildings. For no reason. Now many are bank rupted.

They just put workers from asia and make them to work in their homes and sleep whole day.
22:48 July 15, 2009 by locaxy
22:51 July 15, 2009 by theibmsstate
CAN any country make the OIL.

Any country can make the cars.

no 1 can make the OIL

just this is common sense for OIL people are against MUSLIMS....
23:07 July 15, 2009 by Stüpid
Explain it if it is nonsense. The foolish idiots have been building many unnecessary buildings.
23:24 July 15, 2009 by Elljay
To theibmsstate, you say women are respected in Islam as daughters, sisters and wives, what about a woman just by herself? Does the respect just come through her relationship with a man?
23:59 July 15, 2009 by Tangobit
I suggest we need to learn living as humans...we need to learn respecting humans inspite of judging them from their dress, culture or beliefs. Criticizing others for being religious or secular..follower or non follower...we are just wasting our lives...This shows niether secularism nor relions teach respect and tollerance (sigh)... There is lot more than these discussions that we can do....
00:13 July 16, 2009 by locaxy
Yes. They've been spending like drunken sailors. One of the worst possible management. But that's what you get when you appoint the minister of finances because he's your nephew.

My comment had to do with this alleged bankruptcy. And you clearly have no idea what the word means. Even Iceland didn't go bankrupt!
00:17 July 16, 2009 by locaxy
Kudos for the loaded question. I mean it! You're skilled.

If someone is going to accuse men of disrespecting women, it's only natural to answer by presenting the issue through a man's perspective to show that no disrespect is involved.
11:23 July 16, 2009 by Random

Just by reading your comments and seeing your perception of the world, I can tell you have a very low IQ, Id be suprised if you were educated, and I can gaurantee you have no job or a bad job, pumping petrol e.t.c

You dont strike me as a smart person...sorry to say
11:35 July 16, 2009 by Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy
Even the bible which is totally absurd most of the times was a spot-on at least once!

I wish the bible said too that Kind(of a)Man should get banned from the internetz.
11:43 July 16, 2009 by Random
Maybe my last comment was out of line, I apologise, but I cannot understand how people base their life on one book??

Who do you think you are to say girls have to wear a towel on their head?? I dont care if your the king, who do you all think you are to have the right to tell other people what to do!!

Seriously, if the bible said to jump of the Empire State building, there would be a line of these stupid people lining up to do it??

Reading this makes me feel alot better about myself!!
12:03 July 16, 2009 by locaxy
And which book would that be?

Surely, a person of your staggering intellect wouldn't make such outrageous accusations based on hearsay?
12:12 July 16, 2009 by DidiE
Finally- a thread that captures the idiocy and contention that TL is famous for. The best part is that I have two of the most vocal defenders of Islam on my permanently ignored for Life list, so I get to read between their lines. I assume they are spouting the same old Islam is cure for everything propaganda.

Dudes- you want a really egalitarian religion? Try Wicca. I think there are some YouTube videos for those of you who can't really read. Blessed Be.
12:47 July 16, 2009 by Brainman
I was reading all this discussion and laughing a lot about facts and points of different members:)

First of all, I would say that we do not really need any religion at all. Religion was created just to make certain rules for people. Now we have all the crucial rules in constitution!!

Second thing, do not think that if Arab countries stop to export oil we will die. What a stupid idea? There is a lot of oil in Russia and Norway. It is a global world, all the countries trade between each other, therefore it will never happen.

And the last thing, I strongly believe that if you come to foreign country to live you HAVE to integrate. Therefore you should not walk around with your national flag (of your home country), you should not wear hijab, you should look and behave as a local person. If you do not like it - go back to your home country.

If you want to argue with this statement, ok, no problems. But just think about Saudi Arabia, Quatar or Sudan, will European have choice to follow his Western life-style??? NO!!! Women can not walk alone on the streets, and all the Europeans have to follow this law, because they are guests! The same is here. All the foreigners are guests (including me) and I have to adjust to local rules. That's all

Cheers and no offense
13:03 July 16, 2009 by unkle strunkle
Look at what's happening in Finland:

"Officials say they are learning of an increasing number of cases in which immigrant parents in Finland are forcibly sending teens back to their home countries to de-westernize them."


Westernized means integrated into European culture and values. Good ideologies to hold if you happen to live here! I do hope the Swedish authorities have the good sense to stop this from happening in Sweden.
13:06 July 16, 2009 by Stüpid
Very good explaination.
13:29 July 16, 2009 by locaxy
So...Saudi Arabia and Sudan are your standards of how a country should treat minorities? Interesting.

As a simple rule, and as long it doesn't hurt others, freedom should trump all other considerations. If a woman wants to wear a hijab, it should be her choice. And if she wants to wear a mini-skirt and hook, nobody should force her not to.

What you twats don't understand is that there are Muslims whose ancestors have been here for ages. They're not guests. It's their home as much as anyone else. And they have every right to practice their religion free from harassment, as per the constitution. If they try to hurt others, there are laws to deal with that. If they want to force people to behave a certain way, there are also laws to deal with it. It's the ABCs of a secular state.

The plight of Christians or other minorities in Saudi Arabia or Sudan is a totally different issue. It should be condemned, not emulated.

Am I the only one with some damn common sense on this board? Really?
13:51 July 16, 2009 by DidiE
Why yes, Locaxy. You are the only one with any common sense. As you've only joined a week ago or so, I will defer in my pronouncement of you as the Smartest, Neatest, Most Intelligent Poster EVAH on The Local, but you certainly are in the running. We have to wait for KindMan's say, though, as he has the final decision on everything around here.
14:39 July 16, 2009 by Eye_Witness
RANDOM reference your comment# 47

I wonder how can you attribute a person with a low IQ when you yourself think that being working on the petrol pump is bad work... should I laugh or weep on your IQ?
14:40 July 16, 2009 by svenskdod
When I first came to this country I was given a book about Sweden. This book was translated into every language under the sun. I started reading the first few pages, but then coming to a small part I threw the book away. The part of the book I came to said that is was the Swedish peoples responsibility to change for my benefit, not the other way around. This here is the root of the problems associated with the great multicultural experiment that is Sweden. It gives the immigrants an excuse to not change or assimilate. People moving to my home country have to change to exist there, it is only common sense.

There have been some arguments here that the bible also teaches that a woman has to wear a Hijab (or Wimple in English). I have not heard of this being enforced by Christian groups here in Sweden? Have you? The freedom that a country like this offers is that we are free to practise our own religion (or lack there of) without other ideologies being thrown down our necks. If Islam did not advocate things like honour killings or inequality then I would have no issue with it.
15:07 July 16, 2009 by Amy.aus
Right on.
15:36 July 16, 2009 by vladd777
dear friends..

it's sharia law we should be attacking!


16:11 July 16, 2009 by theibmsstate
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17:06 July 16, 2009 by DMatni
I don't get it. Why is it that everytime an article appears that has anything to do with immigrants or racism (or both), there is a massive slew of comments raging on all things religious, especially Islam? This article, in my opinion, is simply a case of a man whose views and personal opinions are deemed inappropriate for his specific line of work within that organisation and was therefore given the boot. Just like when Naomi Campbell was given the boot by PETA when she walked down the fashion runway in a fur coat at a time when she was one of their lead faces in their campaign. Credibility and trust is so important when one chooses to defend a cause be it refugee issues or animal rights issues etc, isn't it? Do we even have to mention religion here? Enlighten me if I am totally bonkers. :)
17:51 July 16, 2009 by DeafJeff
Racism is a huge issue in the US right now. One of the things that is up for hot debate is any opponent of President Obama's stances is a racist. People need to get over this stuff. Maybe I hate you not because you are a different color than me, but because I can't stand to be around you. Simple as that a lot of the time, folks.
22:27 July 16, 2009 by Tutu
Kind man has done of good job of misrepresenting the bible. Bible is not a confused book like other books. bible never made it compulsory for women to wear covering. Please read verse 15 of the chapeter you wrote.

1Co 11:15 KJV But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering.

Long hair is also an alternative covering for women

I must also emphasis that the doctrine of covering has to do more with to husband and wife relationship and the culture of the Corithians. it means wives should respect their husband but not every man on the street to the point that they cannot go out on thier own without permission from a man. or a man of 50 marrying 8 year old girl. A woman that is not covered would be publicily beaten in Pakistan, Iran and Saudi. it is always a girl's fault if she is raped in Pakistan or Saudi and she would go to prison for it. Women indeed have rights in Islam
22:41 July 16, 2009 by Tutu
DEaf man it is those that use Obama's race to define or qualify him that are called racist in America. Those that does not see his Harvard training, many projects and organisation he has succefully headed and once a Senator. He took on the stongest politicians in US and won. He won both from both blacks and whites of America just as Martin Luther predicted. For example Hondura Foreign minister recently called him Little Nigrito thing that knows nothing. the question is what has his age and skin colour got to do with governance and ability. the racists see him as Keyan or Indonisia or a muslim
23:19 July 16, 2009 by Tutu
I must sign out by saying that i fully support the suspension of the lawyer. he is free to have his opinion but not while working for immigration. he is working for an organisation that is funded by tax money from both muslims and christians. that kind of writing shows conflicts of interest. he cannot be working for or benefiting from people he sees as a plague. Imagine a Jewish patitent going to a nazi doctor and we will say the doctor is allowed to have his opinion. he can have his opinion but not while being paid with our tax money.
00:24 July 17, 2009 by Brainman
No, do not get me wrong. I do not think that Saudi Arabia and other conservative countries are standart of treating minorities. But I think that before telling about rights of Muslims in Europe you have to show good example of treating minorities in your home-lands, that's all. I just mean that European countries are working much harder on giving a lot of rights to minorities, therefore immigrants should not really demand much more (it doesn't matter if they are Muslims or Christians).

Yes, of course nobody forces women to wear hijab, besides society she lives in (Muslim friends, family, etc). Maybe she doesn't want but she has to, because she won't have respect of others. Of course there are examples when women want to wear traditional clothes without any press but in most cases there is a pressure...
01:08 July 17, 2009 by odinmp5
Sweden is suposed to be an egualitarian secular swedish speaking western european country.


if you dont like it, go back to the palce you come from.!!
01:47 July 17, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
RACIST!!! OMG you people are so sad! A HOT BUTTON word is MISUSED and off you go!!!

I saw NOTHING about racism!! Where in the article did it say the lawyer was RACIST? It definitely said he "referred to Islam as a "psychosocial disease"." BUT NEVER ONCE did I see that he made any derogatory remarks about people of other RACES!! It did not even say he hated immigrants!

He does not like a particular RELIGION! Not liking ISAM is NOT racist because it is NOT a race. It is a religion which is made up of many races! Not liking islam is a PREJUDICE!
15:16 July 17, 2009 by Tutu
Migration Board bans 'racist' lawyer

Dammnimmigrant please read the story next time before commenting
19:34 July 17, 2009 by Stüpid
I feel sorry for the lawyér as he has been insulted between his staff.
22:43 July 17, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
Tutu - you CANNOT believe everything you read! You saw the word RACIST and just assumed the man was racist. He may well be racist but I saw NO evidence in the story to support the headline!

I clearly stated that "A HOT BUTTON word is >>MISUSED
00:47 July 18, 2009 by Coalbanks
"He does not like a particular RELIGION! Not liking ISAM is NOT racist because it is NOT a race. It is a religion which is made up of many races! Not liking islam is a PREJUDICE! "

The lawyer may be prejudiced against Islam as this article indicates but nothing indicates he is a racist. A sectarian bigot, maybe. Expand your vocabularies people & condemn with accuracy, please. Otherwise you sound like idiots, somewhat prejudiced idiots at that, IMHO.
13:06 July 18, 2009 by Tutu
"The post is one among many on his blog which feature racist and anti-immigrant overtones" what more evidence do you need guys.

He is both predjudiced and racist. He was specific in the races and areas where they live. Not all people from the middle East are muslim.. there are christians and atheist among them. to generalise them is racist. The problem with racist is that they have shallow brains and cannot see beyond the colour of the skin or the country you come from.
13:19 July 18, 2009 by Stüpid
I was wondering where this Mahmood and Ayub Khan have disappeared. Without then this thread seems missing a lot.

Kind Man is debating well. But, something is missing in the thread. Those Islamic scholars have gone away?

I wanted to know from them if this Lawyer is really a racist or not?
23:03 July 18, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
Tutu - How about quoting something he said that is actually RACIST!!! Giving actual examples!! Real Evidence!

All that I, the CRITICAL reader can see in this article is the MISUSE of the word RACIST. People LOVE to use (MISUSE) the word and yet they do not seem to know it's meaning! No evidence has been put forth IN THIS ARTICLE to back up the word RACIST! But talk about getting a reaction from just using the word!

“Tear down Rosengård, Hammarkullen and Tensta and send those living there to Norrland and Lappland [in Sweden's far north]. There they can be integrated, learn Swedish, be de-Islamified, and be happy,”

This is the post that was quoted and yet there is NOTHING RACIST in it!

Tutu - Based on this post you have judged him racist? You cannot be racist against religion (except Jews which are also a race) and you cannot be racist against immigrants because it is also not a race!

People certainly should not make judgments about other people without FACTS!

I want FACTUAL information that supports the subject of the article when I read the news! The real problem with living in a free society where information is not carefully censored, is that you, yourself, MUST carefully examine (censor) what is being communicated!

People believe what is written and they act on it. Wouldn't be better to act on the facts rather than acting on something that was just misunderstood or poorly worded or even worse, an outright lie?
02:56 July 19, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
Such anger from such a 'Kind Man', it seems like you see racism everywhere. I saw nothing in totyis's statement that would be racist and yet you say "you sound also racist". I will also say that it does not sound like you the 'Kind Man' knows very much about lawyers.

WHAT you are doing is OPENING a very large can of worms. According to your logic, ANY professional cannot do their job if they are prejudiced or racist! So we should fire --FILL IN THE BLANK-- because they think --FILL IN THE BLANK-- are evil or wrong ... OR we should come to the conclusion that professionals CAN do their jobs even if they do not like the particular situation. For example, EVERY moslum Doctor should be fired because he can not deal with someone such as the patient who is a Homosexual Witch (religion) and who says VERY nasty things about the Doctor's dear Profit and the psychotic religion he formed? (That was an example of a patient the Doctor, as a professional, could not deal with.)

Sorry but this is wrong! I am NOT one of the Sons of Adam or the Daughters of Eve, none of my friends believes this either! When I was a child, I listened to such stories and believed in them, but then I grew up and and found a complexity to the concept of god that I doubt you could even come close to understanding.

Religion became a subject of study and lost all godly meaning to me. Spirituality and Unity are my vices now. Watching the human race evolve over the last several millions of years, leaves the stories like Adam and Eve relevant only for the simpler minds and for simpler times.

Emfa, I would like to start you on a journey of discovery by saying YES there are a NUMBER of religions where women and men have the same (equal?) rights! AND NO! ISLAM is NOT one of them! Knowing these religions are out there should make you curious enough to find them. (You don't need to join them, just understand them.) The more you know, the better your personal religious decisions will become.

I have a number of friends who are Wiccans and yes I have fond peaceful memories of being with them and found their religion to be egalitarian. It is too bad that Saudi Arabia executes Wiccans. So much for religious tolerance.
03:05 July 19, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
Most fasinating to me is the idea that many moslums know nothing of their own religion. I think that many of them would be shocked to find out just what kind of man their prophet was. After christianity, I made islam one of my bigger areas of religious studies. What I learned about the brutality of islam's inception has shocked me to the core.

For the last 1400 years, islam has prevented any dissent amongst its followers. They truly believe that criticizing islam is a great sin and the sinner MUST be dealt with. They cannot understand that for a society to grow and evolve, EVERYBODY has the right to criticize religions.

Respect and equal rights are 2 different things! I also think that it is too bad that it is islam that gives respect to women and that without islam, women would have no respect. I have no religion and yet I firmly believe in equal rights and respect for all people - even women ;-)

The only problem in quoting the bible is that depending on what type of christian you are dealing with, it may have no meaning to them. The bible basically has 2 parts; the old testament and the new testament. Many christians have no use for the old testament because it was pre-Jesus (Jewish). So quoting old testament is quoting non-binding, or outdated, religious law. Quoting the new testament is problamatic for many christians (especially Swedish Church) because they feel the bible is NOT the absolute word of god that MUST be FUNDAMENTALLY followed word for word. It is really more of a guide! Many christians do not even feel that god had ANYTHING to do with the bible.

Trying to defend islamic laws and practices by quoting the bible therefore becomes very problematic.

I really think it is the other way around - I accept that there are good muslims who don't understand islam and try to give islam a good name. For example, the good muslem will have friends who are christians and/or jews but this is forbidden by 5,51. So either the good ones do not believe in their holy book or they do not really know its contents. Of course the other option is that they define friendship a lot more differently than a non-islamic person does.

Old Testament says don't eat pork! As I understand it, Jesus overturned that law when he said, it is NOT what goes into the mouth that will condemn you, it is what comes out of your mouth! Jesus also showed us the way because HE drank alcohol. It is funny how your god (oh wait, it was your prophet) makes you follow all of those old Jewish laws that Jesus overturned 8-)
03:12 July 19, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
DamnImmigrant was bored today, sorry, see ya all next month.

It is incredible that it only works if it is AGAINST a moslum! A child decides on a special way of life (western, non-islamic) that their moslum parents do NOT agree with and so the FAMILY does the only HONORABLE thing and they KILL their own child who has this bad way of thinking!!! And there is NO outrage!!! Well at least the family honor was maintained! I pitty the poor moslum who converts to some other religion in any of the great islamic countries. They chose a special way of life and they are killed for having this bad way of thinking. -- You see, it only works if it is AGAINST a moslum.

Talk about being prejudiced!

FYI (For Your Information), Yes it is possible to MAKE oil. Google it.

Sorry but if you think people have problems with islam because islam has the oil, your commons sense has failed you. There are plenty of other reasons why people do not like islam.

"permanently ignored for Life list" -- COOL! I did not know of such a feature! Time to go find it.

I just wanted more proof out of the article that the guy really is a racist. I get so tired of hearing the word racist used so improperly. You're a racist so you're fired! NO I am NOT a racist! I am prejudiced and you cannot fire me because SLAVES HAVE TO BE SOLD!!!
21:54 July 19, 2009 by theibmsstate
if you see in the world every where in the world people are becoming muslim,
22:27 July 19, 2009 by conboy
The largest faith in this world is in the accumulation of wealth i.e. MONEY. This belief has entrapped moslems, shintoists, christians , jews as well as buddhists, sikhs and hindu's alike this is not to mention the athiests and agnostics. We all worship in it and at it's great church every day - THE HOLY MARKET - and it is a church we attend each and every day. FACT!
23:42 August 23, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
Sadly, this statement is very misleading and somewhat delusional.

There are definitely people who convert to islam, and there are people who are born into it and according to islamic thinking, NOBODY ever leaves islam!

This is the real problem! If you decide you do not believe in islam anymore, and you make the mistake of telling someone; you're dead! This means that there are MANY people who do not believe in islam, and have in FACT left the faith, and yet they tell no one!

So when islam counts its members, it cannot possibly subtract ANYONE who has left!

I am AMAZED at how many people leave islam when they get to the West! I've seen numbers saying up to 30% of the immigrants are leaving islam! They think it is more than 30% but getting actual numbers is hard because of the FEAR of harm these Apostates face if others find out!

In the last 5 years, I have personally "counseled" between 60 and 70 people that I have met in my "travels", regarding their religious and spiritual options outside of islam. People who had already left the religion, but were sort of lost as to a direction to take! If I have met that many, in my own limited interactions with people, there MUST be A LOT of people leaving islam!
23:55 August 23, 2009 by Per Johansson52
Lets talk about moral and discipline, If you are Jew , an immigrated Jew to Palestine land (which in fact all are) ,and You have an issue with court. I am sure you would not go to a Muslim lawyer who hate Jews. this racist Lawyer should deal with other issues rather to handle Immigrant cases. or should go to mental hospital.

A Lawyer should not be racist because He can not defend his client from bottom his heart as he should do.
21:05 August 24, 2009 by DamnImmigrant
I really disagree with everyone who thinks that "PROFESSIONAL" people cannot do their jobs because they are prejudiced or racist, or even disgusted!

In the case of LAWYERS, it really sounds like MANY of you do not have a clue as to "exactly" what lawyers are all about!

Lawyers do "not defend his client from bottom his heart", this is a very idealized way of thinking and it is wrong! The lawyer may think his client is a Sick Fracking Basta... but he is still going to defend his client!

The client who kidnapped, raped and murdered a child, or several children for that matter, is STILL going to be defended by a lawyer!

The client admits to his lawyer that he did the crime! The lawyer STILL has to defend his client EVEN KNOWING that his client is guilty! The lawyer acts PROFESSIONALLY! Unfortunately, the lawyer acts in such a PROFESSIONAL manner and the client may be found not guilty and walks free!

AND the lawyer can do nothing to bring justice for the murdered child!
17:57 October 26, 2009 by Dinaricman
I am so tired of you fools who can't deal with women. Well I like women and the world is a better place with them. So ha!!
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