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Swedish dockers launch Israeli goods blockade

AFP/The Local · 23 Jun 2010, 12:12

Published: 23 Jun 2010 12:12 GMT+02:00

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The blockade, which also applies to Israeli ships, was launched "because of

the assault on the Ship to Gaza (flotilla), that we supported before they took

off ... and the blockade of the Gaza strip, which affects the civilian population," union spokesman Rolf Axelsson said.

The dock workers' protest is set to take place in all unionised Swedish ports, and is scheduled to and ends at midnight on June 29th.

Union chairman Björn A. Borg added the union called for an international investigation into the May 31st raid that killed nine pro-Palestinian activists.

He told AFP the dock workers believed Israel's easing of its Gaza blockade, announced on Sunday, was insufficient.

Eleven Swedes, including crime writer Henning Mankell, took part in the flotilla and were briefly taken into Israeli custody.

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The Swedish Dock Workers Union original announced their intended blockade on June 2nd to take place from June 15th-24th but later announced an amendment to the dates in a statement dated June 11th.

representative told AFP.

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12:45 June 23, 2010 by Audrian
This will help make the Zionist understand that Israel is not above international law. Its actions in the high sea was piracy. Palestenians are flesh and bood like Jews.
13:03 June 23, 2010 by oasking
Senseless action by people who are not objective in their views and actions. Does Isreal depend on export to Sweden to survive? Who needs eachother more, Sweden or Isreal? Bunch of illiterates... what impact will this needless action play in the unjustifiable attack on Isreal by Hamas? Should Isreal watch while weapons are smuggled while a plan to attack her is ongoing?
13:17 June 23, 2010 by concha de tu puta madre
Audrian, the article clearly stated the appeasement organized by the unions is against Israel and it made no mention of Jews. Nincompoop.
13:25 June 23, 2010 by Danish Omer Zuberi
Great if the Nation A is a bad child people go for blockades and boycots but if Nation B is a bad child they bomb them and once when Nation C was a bad child they were nukedto submission.

What startles me when I draw a paralel between my South Asia and Palestine. The Dutch, Portugese, and latter the British collonialists had become so powerfull in the Indian sub continent that a war of independence broke out in 1857 - the British called it mutiny, and their paid emplyees termed it Ghadar - a word linked to Ghadary or treason and as such mutiny.

The war was lost. A holocaust of summary trails and mass executions followed.

The Indians whole heartedly accepted the defeat. Some appealed to the Queen Victoria to be governed by the crown.

"We now stand vanquished and accept you as our Queen, please deliver us from the injustices of the East India Comapny and govern us like your loyal subjects."

And so India became the Jewel of The Crown. The crown gave us, roads, railroads, vehilcles, schools, hospitals, and a systme of modern governance - parliament and the Indians gave them cannon fodder for the World WarI and World WarII.

Then what are the Palestenians made of. After so many years of suppression even a 10 year old boy would throw stones at Israeli tanks, knowing well that iy would not help, but only manifest that I am not defeated.

Freedom is a state of mind. A person who is psychologically defeated cannot be made free by any charter of independence, and a free person would remain free in any prison, ghetto, chamber or death cell.

Live free or die trying.
13:26 June 23, 2010 by Debaraja
Let's hope that more and more "illiterates" will keep up the good job of protesting against the Israelis who violate the International Laws and not only.

Maybe, Israel does not depend ONLY on exports to Sweden to survive, but hopefully they'll get the hint (and it seems that they have gotten it)...
13:46 June 23, 2010 by SamerSh
You still dream that Palestine is called Israel. Zionists have never ever had a country, they lived everywhere in the world. Do not think that people in the world are still blind by your fake media. Now the world are more open and people are able to know the Truth.

Your coward makes you fear everything, not only Hamas but even the 10-year-old Palestinian. Palestinian are not willing at all to fight in case you give them back their country. Your wildness and injustice have make the world to know who you are.
13:47 June 23, 2010 by fuga
@ Danish - India under the muslims went through a 1000 years of having its culture and societ systematically destroyed. The English were a necessary lesser evil between the horrors of muslim domination and freedom.

Cannon fodder!! I hardly think so. The Indian army was a wholly volunteer force - the largest volunteer army which fought in world war 2. No officer or soldier who fought under the flag of british india would ever say that Indians were treated as cannon fodder. These include relatives of mine. They did their bit defending freedom and in 1947 saw a free India.

BTW im pro Israel. Israel has every right to regulate the flow of ILLEGAL weapons into Gaza and the occupied territories. The arab world should be ashamed of itself that instead of taking in the Palestinians and/or sending in real aid to the occupied territories they send in military supplies.
14:11 June 23, 2010 by calebian22
Long live Israel.
14:27 June 23, 2010 by Zoolander428
Retards. Yeah, let's punish a country for protecting its own borders!

If these so called "protesters" were actually interested in helping the people in Gaza, they would have funneled the aid throught approved channels - which was offered by Israel.

Hope next time they just sink the ship and let every ignorant soul on board go down with it.
14:36 June 23, 2010 by here for the summer
why does the most liberal country in the world ( sweden ) have so many anti-semites ? Look at some of the posts in the local over the last few years. I am disappointed to hear elected officials voice antisemitic views while defending freedom and tolerance.

As to the boycott

Israel's ( and Egypt's ) blockade of Gaza especially the inclusion of civilian goods was a bad idea and it's good it's being eased. The flotilla and the inclusion of terrorist groups in a peaceful group was just stupid. To boycott israel goods over this is probably due to antisemitic racism not facts.
14:42 June 23, 2010 by truthworthy
Thank you Swedish Dock Workers, this is why Sweden is special. few fools from outside Sweden always scream around this forum - you idiots get a hobby and understand that Swedes are not as stupid as you are.
14:49 June 23, 2010 by shiplu
yeah Israel has the right to check but not to kill civilian people. I respect Jews but no killers. By the way i respect all religious.

Sweden is unique .......... always ......... forever.......
15:02 June 23, 2010 by comfortably_numb
Nice to see the workers stand up for human rights violations, and the gaza blockade which is deemed illegal by international law.

Note for the angry comments above:

These workers are not anti-semites, and its not the question of hating jews or arabs. Its simply standing up to protest an unlawful act which the STATE OF ISRAEL (not necessarily all jews, or people who live in the country) has been doing with the help of USA for a very long time.

All Israel has to do to end this bloodbath that has been going on for far too long, is to comply with International Law and the International Community. Defend itself if it has to, but within legal rights.
15:05 June 23, 2010 by Torontonian
The Swedish Dock Workers Union - a beacon of intellectual and foresight. Let's see them do the same thing to Saudi Arabian boats, or maybe North Korean? --- oh no, that would be politically incorrect.
15:09 June 23, 2010 by Avidror
No, no and no! It's not illegal for a country to defend itself. It's not illegal for a country to blockade a territory in order to avoid weapons being smuggled into it. And it's not illegal to enforce such a blockade.

Why is the media always reporting about a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip? There are lots of pictures and videos showing supplies being delivered into the Gaza Strip by Israel; there are lots of pictures and videos showing food and clothes in the Gaza Strip. Just go to Google and YouTube and search for "Gaza markets and stores", please! And search also for "Hamas kids", "Hamas human shields" and so on, and you will see why so many deaths occur among Gazan civilians.

I repeat: search all of this and you won't read, you'll see and watch.

Why that anger against Israel? It did wrong many times, but many other countries did. When I listen somebody saying that Israel shouldn't exist because, for example, it was built through a colonialist movement, I always think about the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, which were built in the same manner, and even in a worse one! Why is different with Israel, a country which kills less people annually through a war than the People's Republic of China through the death penalty?

It can't be said that Israel did nothing for peace. In 2005 Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip; in 2000, Israel offered the Palestinians the opportunity to create their own State, which would include some East Jerusalem's areas; in 1947, the Jews accepted the Partition Plan. Arab response always was the same; violence. As if they weren't present in Palestine through the use of force, by the way...

@ c9dw2rm82

I support Israel. But insulting Swedes is not the way to achieve understanding between these two beautiful countries.
15:22 June 23, 2010 by GefleFrequentFlyer
How ironic the symbolism is here. Dockworkers Union (yes, a union!) won't allow trade with the only democracy in the middle east, but they will allow, or at least not protest the destruction of thier own society, country and livelihood that the union is meant to protect from the unabated muslim immigration.

Oh swedes, you are too cute when you are angry!
15:24 June 23, 2010 by ironman294
Yes finally Swedish people take a stand and show some guts! Against. . . .Israel?

Yeah I am sure that Gefelte Fish and lox is huge in sweden as is Manaschewitz. Hahahahahaha the most useless boycott ever.

How about the dockworkers taking a stand against the violent immigrants in Rinkby or Rosengård? People in their country that actually are violent and affect their lives every day and how about fighting the scary people who want Sharia imposed in Sweden?

Sharia since it works so well in their countries where if it wasn't for Oil or money from the US and the EU would have died and starved out a long time ago.

WHy do I like Sweden so much? Only for the Woemn, the rest of it is useless
15:33 June 23, 2010 by Åskar

Do you really believe the loudmouthed idiots listen to reasoning?

In case you wonder where I stand I am pro-Israel and has always been but there is no way I can defend their illegal acts like piracy, building settlements on occupied territory and whathaveyou.
15:35 June 23, 2010 by Matan
How amusing.

What Israel is going to do now? Oh god. We're lost. We must apologies to the Swedes!

Pathetic. Mind your own business, Sweden, and you do have a lot to concern about. Hint: Palesweden
15:38 June 23, 2010 by SilentLogic
A good move ..
15:51 June 23, 2010 by jim4il
That is how Swedish Dockers showed that they appreciate terror. So if tomorrow you'll find Osama Bin Laden looking like man as your neighbor, don't be surprised, you've just invited him. I mean, you just showed that you welcome terrorists in your country. Trust me, these people don't care about Palestinians. This so called "Piece Delegation" looking for new fields for war ,.. well, the Israel just showed that it won't be any ware near. So keep talking, the next terrorist act will be at your neighborhood, and I wouldn't ever bother to say "I've told you so" . Jewish people are used to blames, Roman Empire, Crusade, England, German Nazism, Russian Sibir, KKK and so on. We still here and always be. I guess we were chosen after all, but, may not only as God's favorites, I think through Jews God shows the world what's good and what's bad, and what Turkey did, and all of your supported them…. was bad. By cheering and supporting them (the IHH known for connection and participation in terrorist organizations) you've just invited terror in your country.

This is something to sleep on: search in YouTube for: I1M4eH9Kk7I
16:01 June 23, 2010 by concha de tu puta madre
Historically speaking appeasement has never worked. The unionist believes that by boycotting Israel they will save their arse from the innumerable angry and violent Islamofacist they have living in their cities. What they fail to realize is that radical Islamist are brainless rats and they will turn on the Swedes in a split second. Sweden, you have a better chance domesticating and reasoning with a hyena than a radical Islamist
16:24 June 23, 2010 by rumcajs
@ the bunch of pro-Israel retards,

1. This action might not have impct on Israel economy (anyway, they live from USA), but the fact that your wife doesn't listen doesn't mean you wont tell her anything, does it?

2. Protecting their country??? There's like 20 0r 50 NORMAL PEOPLE LIKE US per each terrorist in that place or more. So what if France blocks the north of Spain because of ETA? Ohh, Spanish are white and Catholics. Anyway, France is more civilized.
16:46 June 23, 2010 by Querist
Question: In the early 1930's - Didn't the Nazis also boycot jewish businesses?

.very telling.

17:47 June 23, 2010 by Guy with a big whang
Stay strong Israel, we are with you!

We know it seems like the terrorists are gaining ground, but we stand strong with you and al these media stunts are just a passing phrase, its going to be back to normal soon and we shall be eating your delicious fruits soon!
19:39 June 23, 2010 by greekgod
In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological makeup then nor now.
20:27 June 23, 2010 by comfortably_numb
@ Åskar,

You're right, its hopeless trying to reason with most of these comments above.

As soon as someone speaks out against what Israel is doing with the back-patting of the US, they're labeled anti-semite. This is not about hating jews or the existence of the Israel state, its about HUMAN RIGHTS! Unfortunately Israel has been able to cross the line many times over, because it has the excuse of "defending" itself. Every unjust war that has happened, has been waged in the name of "self-defence", i dont care if it was waged by an arab, christian, or a jew state.
20:30 June 23, 2010 by marco tru
Please watch Brutal Badge on youtube, in 6 parts, especially part 5…And recomend it to your freinds…. Thank you kindly! !
20:33 June 23, 2010 by millionmileman
Imagine if Israel banned Volvo trucks from delivering the weekly 15,000 tons of aid to Gaza. This is where this nonsense leads to.

Because of the deliberate Turkish IHH attack on Israel's soldiers performing a totally legal inspection of a ship during a time of war, this rhetoric could become extremely ugly prior to the US elections in November.
21:03 June 23, 2010 by J Jack
with unemployment at 8.8 %, unions decreasing production are committing treason against their own country, punkt slut. What are they blocking ... avacado's?
21:03 June 23, 2010 by Investor612
Choosing Hamas over Israel. Just another downward step in the suicidal descent of Western Civilization and Western European nations like Sweden are plunging the most rapidly.
21:32 June 23, 2010 by Rick Methven
Mossad must have a permanent watch over TL in order to get its minions working so feverishly the moment ANYONE dares to speaker the the truth about the genocide of Israel.

After so many posts we now know axctly wo are the Mossad trolls here
22:23 June 23, 2010 by Guy with a big whang
-"After so many posts we now know axctly wo are the Mossad trolls here"

Well, I dont know if I fall into the "Mossad conspiracy bunch theory"

but please certainly put me into the "Arab are mostly dumb and dirty people" as well as the "Islam is the cancer religion on earth" bunch.

In one way I think its ironic that Arabs/Muslims dont eat pigs, on the other hand I guess its that they just wish to avoid cannibalism - or perhaps its because of mutual respect for one of their own?

But by all means feel free to label me a Mossad person, just because i dont follow what a (recorded by history) paedophile who raped a 9 year old girl has said.
22:49 June 23, 2010 by Avidror
@ c9dw2rm82

You wrote about "white trash blonds", and that wasn't licit.

@ rumcajs

France has been affected by E.T.A., which killed a French officer a few months ago. But France can't blockade Euskadi. France and Spain collaborate with each other in order to stop E.T.A. (a pro-Palestinian organization, by the way). Furthermore, E.T.A. is a problem to both countries, but there is no a status of war. So your comparison is wrong.

@ Rick Methven

Defending Israel is not the same than being a Mossad agent. How would you feel if we had written you work for E.T.A., a terrorist organization which shows solidarity with Hamas?
23:49 June 23, 2010 by greatkitty
All I can say is "You stupid swedes." I hope you remember this when you are living under sharia law.
23:50 June 23, 2010 by USA Is Number 1

It appears you need to be educated about India and how Muslims have been amongst the immigrants to and natives of India who have contributed to the country's history and civilization.
01:31 June 24, 2010 by here for the summer

thanks for showing the antisemitic side of the argument . All the people who say it's not about jews it's about israel just look at una!'s comment and realize that for every person who thinks it is not about being antisemitic there are at least one among you who are . It was just a ferry ride away from Malmo where the mayor is openly antisemitic that 6 million jewish people where killed due to their religion and their race .
01:34 June 24, 2010 by saab
@ Rick Methven

If I am a Mossad Agent, are you an agent of Iran? Iraq? Qatar? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Oman? Somalia? Jordan? Lebanon? Hizbullah? Hamas? Islamic Jihad?

And while I am asking questions, why are the dock workers not boycotting CHINA for its outrageous human rights abuses? Any interest in boycotting Venezuelan or Saudi products? If my fellow Swedes want to play the game, let them play the game. Otherwise, they look like selective pussies.
01:54 June 24, 2010 by Coalbanks
Will the union boycott/blockade Palistinian goods as well? Or do the Palistinians have no blood on their hands?
03:04 June 24, 2010 by Nachos
I had no idea that Swedes actually were able to raise their voices and take a stand against something. But Israel?? Muslim immigration is completely ruining this once-great country through violence, rape and a general disregard for social obedience but these idiots finally decide to take a stand against Israel. Hilarious. The captain of this ship called, Sweden is clearly drunk.
03:17 June 24, 2010 by honorable
Swedish dockers are imposing a form of collective punishment. Let me try to understand: if Israel imposes a form of collective punishment, that's a scandal. But if swedish dockers do, that's OK. That' OK for antisemites; for nobody else.

Swedish dockers do something against a very fine occidental civilisation, but would not lift a finger against civilisations that daily abuse human rights on a scale vastly above what one might blame Israel for.

What else but antisemitisme can stimulate such lack of logic?
05:14 June 24, 2010 by saab

You live up to your name.

I concur with you. When you write "What else but antisemitism can stimulate such lack of logic", one concludes "Anti semitism is about... anti semitism".

By the way, why aren't the Pal lovers castigating the Turks for their onslaught against the Kurds last week in Iraq? Not only did they violate the sovereignty of Iraq, but they went after men...women... and children.

I guess if a Kurd is killed in a forest, and no one is around to hear them scream, they weren't killed.

Just ask the Armenians.
07:05 June 24, 2010 by joshr
If they boycott the Israeli ships, then they are not doing their job and should not get paid. They have no right to act as judge and jury. There are international courts that will figure this out.

Further, the only people they are hurting are Swedes, as they are delaying delivery of things like fruits which will spoil. These costs will be passed on to you and I, not passed back to Israel.
08:00 June 24, 2010 by Taketh
@ c9dw2rm82 - Name me? What are you trying to say? First of all, you should go back to the history books, not the books published by the Israelis and some western states. They're a joke to say the least. The Palestinians were a people in a larger state, called Sham (Greater Syria). Secondly, Don't go supporting something just because you hate Muslims and watch a lot of CNN, Sky, Fox and the like. If you only knew what these people are going through everyday of their lives while you're sitting comfortbly in your cummfy sofa having some cold refreshing drink, blasting away ignorantly at what you know very little about is simply ubsurd.

I salute sweden for their support of fellow human beings in distress. For God's sake, they even denied IKEA to import furnitures to Ramallah.

Most of those who have written something here, are either angry at nothing, get their info from the wrong sources or simply ignorant .

PROVERB: Even the biggest tree will one day fall. (U.S & Israel)
08:03 June 24, 2010 by waffen
Good for the dock workers.
08:19 June 24, 2010 by Decedo
This is the way you deal with a problem when you can. More productive than a 'harsh letter'!!
08:51 June 24, 2010 by Mackan2017
Who cares????
09:29 June 24, 2010 by calebian22

Have you been hanging out with Trowbridge again and drinking from his mercury poisoned drinking source? As you type, are you wearing your tinfoil covered pink bicycle helmet so Mossad doesn't probe your mind with their ray device? "Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Listen to me! I am not insane!"

Thanks for the laugh.
09:31 June 24, 2010 by boby
Most Swedes hate Israel because it is US side kick. A little group are anti-Semitic, but most are just idiots that hate America, miss Stalin and think China is the beacon of humanity. And of course you have the Islamofachists that are just brought up to hate everything which is different and plural.

The media is totally controlled by these guys, ex KGB spies are members of honor.

But who cares? It's an insignificant country at the end of the day. The normal Swede is just a drunken ignorant, who likes to feel important but in reality is lazy and incompetent.
10:08 June 24, 2010 by Guy with a big whang
- "PROVERB: Even the biggest tree will one day fall. (U.S & Israel) "

Yes, go back and pray 5 times a day to a paedophile and his master (probably another paedophile) that that day will come.

One wonders why "Allah" didnt help the arabs during the 6 day war where tiny little Israel whipped all its surrounding countries asses... in less than a week!

Was it because "Allah" cannot do squat? or Muhammad (P!ssed be his name) was busy parked outside a pre school looking for his next wife? Or Arabs/muslims are just so damn dumb that they couldnt do s**t even with Allah by their side?

You take your pick, either one of the above options suit me fine (although i think more than one or all apply)
10:09 June 24, 2010 by rrabbit
symbolism,but i think this is useless

as far as "antisemite",search the history of Sem and you will see that palestinians are descendant of SEM but only 10or 20% of Isralien,most ISRAELIANS (zionists) are Ashekenazes who are not descendant of SEM.

so in fact the actual Zionists are antisemite themslves,search and come back here,you will be surprised of what they didnt teach us in School.

When UK wanted tomake peace with the German,the Zionists went to see the queen and recommanded not to make peace with the German,they will get Israel land in exchange of the US intervening and helkp the UK win the war.

let's join the conspiracy
10:24 June 24, 2010 by wolverine2k
@ #33:

You said the truth and nothing but the truth. The beards don't eat pigs as cannibalism is not accepted in (p)islam.

And I read an article somewhere that even the swedes are not open to pig cannibalism! Maybe thats why the blockade.

Anyways, go Israel. As in 1930, Nazis boycotted Jews. And we had WWII. Jews did suffer a lot but now they are thriving and the Nazis were destroyed one by one. I do hope we have another war and destroy the followers of the pig.
10:27 June 24, 2010 by rrabbit
Comment: again most ISRALIENS ARE Ashekanzes who are SEM descendant, but some Palestinians,Jordanians are sem descendant look at Naturei Karta or some Hassidique groups,and see that there are approx 2 millions jew against Israel occupation. This same jews are more religious than the zionists,well ...
11:12 June 24, 2010 by MIK in Sweden
Excellent decision and all those who likes justice, they should do similar decisions
12:00 June 24, 2010 by christo
you dockers go back to work . you only make us hungry here, we need those goods, food. you think lsrael care? this is not gona affect israel in any way. there just laugthing at us. and u r just making us hungry and suffer here.

its not gona change anything what those guys say or do. they dont depend on sweden even if u dont clear there shipps there it cant affect them but its us . they have good fruits and food which sweden depends on here believe it or not. so go back to work. le u no waste time in this plse.

lsrael is lsrael once it does something it does it and it will continue. the blockade will stay and it wont chance.

go and work
12:18 June 24, 2010 by mysticbumwipe
Bravo The Swedish Dock Workers Union (Hamnarbetarförbundet).

Well done!

12:50 June 24, 2010 by Audrian
@concha de tu puta madre - for your information

All "Israel" citzens are required to fill their nationalities in their passports and ID cards, as Arabes is they are ethnically Arab or Jewish. One can not say he/she is an Israeli. The state is a Jewish state; it is not an Israeli state. This would mean that other nationals in this country do not have a state. The Arabes living in Israel are stateless. There is a mission to make the country all Jewish by redrawing its map such that its Arab citizens (over 15% 0f the total population) are excluded from this country - such that they became part of West Bank.
13:47 June 24, 2010 by Dano
Gawd! I'm so tired of all this crap!

Here's the solution: All the Arab nations gang up.They all prepare for war.All the Muslims languishing around the world are all sent back/over to fight for their cause and religion. Israel prepares for war...as does it's allies!

War breaks out! All the Arab muslims die in a month (probably less).Game over! We all get 12 square miles of desert as a reward,the pyramids go to Disney world and Mecca really does become a bingo hall and casino. Middle east problem solved!
14:03 June 24, 2010 by Audrian

Your wish has already happened. The west and some Arab states have "ganged" against Arabes. The Arabes are already defeated. The frustration that you see in the Middle East is born out of this humilation.

Would you accept if your country is occupied by say Arabes and change other European governments at will. How do you fill if these same outside forces control your oil resources. In other words how do you feel if the exact opposite of what is happening in the Middle East is to occure?

You cannot have world peace as long as one state or states dominate others. It is a receipt for war. My solution to problem in hand is we leave the Middle East to the Middle Easterns. Some corporations and their share holders might loose money, but the rest of the Western population will have enough to lead a decent standard.
15:41 June 24, 2010 by kattak
what is benifit this mattar I donot understand ------------------------------
17:36 June 24, 2010 by Kooritze
Will Israel exist in another 60 years? Simple answer: No

Israel is a fundamentalist state created and sustained by war, pain and oppression. Plus I might a whole lot of money and weapons supplied by the US military aid budget to mention but one .

You can fool a whole load of people with some pro Israeli propaganda in much of western media......but not all of us. Shame on you and increasingly the world is getting tired of you.

Well done Swedish dockers.

Recommended reading: Pity the Nation, Book by Robert Fisk
17:42 June 24, 2010 by Avidror
@ Taketh

Maybe you should go back to the history books. The reality is that Palestinian Arabs didn't even consider themselves a nation until Israel's independence. Did you read about Palestinian Arabs claiming they were a nation during the Ottoman administration? During the first steps of Zionism, the Palestinian Arabs themselves were selling lands to the Jews.

@ rrabit

Ashkenazim are European Jews, and Jews are Semites. If Jews arrived in Central and Eastern Europe (Ashkenazim), Arab countries (Mizrachim) or the Iberian peninsula and Northern Africa (Sfaradim) was due to persecution and nothing else. But all of them descend from Jews who left Palestine.

@ Audrian

Israeli Arabs are not a Stateless people. Being Israel the Jewish State doesn't mean that non-Jews established there can't be Israelis. Don't mix the term "culture" (some would say "nationality") with the term "citizenship", please. The fact is that Arabs in Israel are better treated than Arabs in other Middle Eastern countries.

Israel is a Middle Eastern country and is the State for an ethnic group of Middle Eastern origins. Fuerthermore, 68% of Israeli Jews (more than a half of the country's peopulation) were born in Israel itself. So they have the right to live there.

Israel, I repeat, withdrew from Palestinian territories, offered a Palestinian State which would include some East Jerusalem's areas, signed accords such as those of Oslo and Annapolis,... Palestinian response was always the same: violence. They even tried to negotiate after these concesions!

Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories is not the origin of this violence. There were violent activities long before the occupation and Israeli independence itself.
19:32 June 24, 2010 by trevzns
The Swedish dockers decision to blockade goods from Israel is a positive move to help change the apartheid polices of the State of Israel.

Until the US, and European countries decide to take serious action to end the occupation and oppression of Palestine, the Palestinians will have to continue with their struggle for freedom respect and human rights.

Judaism is a religion and Zionism is a European political system founded by a man of Austrian-Hungarian heritage.

The ancient bible stories that claim of a promised land for God's chosen people in Middle East are just that, ancient stories.

The majority of peoples living in the Middle East and North Africa today are of European culture or European descendants.
19:32 June 24, 2010 by boby
@ Kooritze

Good to see that you take the hidden agenda into the light. So you are after the destruction of Israel... that is why Israel is ignoring the 'peace loving' islamofachists from Europe. And the dreams you have, many other had in the past. Many tried to destroy Israel and the Jewish people. They are all lying under a stone now. So have nice day dreaming, and continue to have a good life full of hate and agression.
20:00 June 24, 2010 by Lukestar1991
Good On Them! :)
20:30 June 24, 2010 by USA Is Number 1

You say the "Palestinians will have to continue with their struggle for freedom respect and human rights". The Palestinians struggle is not one for freedom, respect and human rights; it is a struggle to take power and achieve a state of their own regardless of its impact on the freedom, respect and human rights of the Palestinian population or others.


"Islamofascists" is a blood libel against Muslims. Such anti-Muslim propaganda upon which you are relying borrows from the Nazi approach of demonizing a minority group in Europe and is a modern version of those filthy conspiracy theories peddled in the likes of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a bible of sorts for antisemitic bigots).

People who demonize minorities ought to be ashamed of themselves, but unfortunately hate is such a strong emotion that the victims of hate soon borrow from and act in ways increasingly indistinguishable from those who hated them.
22:20 June 24, 2010 by Nachos
>>>People who demonize minorities ought to be ashamed of themselves>>>

If you're referring to Muslims in Sweden, they are doing a good enough job of demonizing themselves. Have you ever thought to ask WHY people feel the way they do about them?
02:33 June 25, 2010 by USA Is Number 1
Bigots routinely find a way to justify to themselves (and other bigots) their own bigotry, and they do this by over-emphasizing that which they wish to observe and dismissing or downplaying those observations which do not confirm their bigotry. Selection bias and cognitive dissonance are food and fuel for bigots to perpetuate hatred close to their heart.

Bigots find a way to demonize the many for the crimes of the few. There is plenty of evidence that bigotry has found a home on TheLocal.se. Don't expect me to join in the hate fest. The majority of Muslims in Sweden are not doing anything to demonize themselves, but of course the anti-Muslim bigots will claim otherwise.
02:49 June 25, 2010 by Citoyen Philippe
SWEDEN is seen now as an unfriendly country for business.

Many maritime compagnies could hesitate to work with the swedish ports.

Are you not afraid to face a counter boycott on your products ?

It's not good to mix policy and business ! Not at all !
04:02 June 25, 2010 by Alasdair MacCorquodale
Are there any communists in Sweden? At least any that would openly admit to being so. Would you describe many on the Left as being covert communists?Using the moderate socialist parties and the Trade Union movement as covers to further their interests.

It is interesting to read of the influence of the East German STASI on Swedish political life.

In Britain, many have felt that some trade union leaders were indeed communist. The at times dreadful industrial relations in Britain were perhaps the result of the Communist influence within the trade union movement.

As regards Israel, she has the right to defend her security. Hamas has always been open about it's intention to destroy Israel. The intense opposition of the far Left towards Israel, is much influenced by the hostility towards the U.S. on account of the U.S. 's position as the worlds leading capitalist nation

Attacking Israel is an indirect means of attacking the U.S.
08:33 June 25, 2010 by sadiejo400wcn
omg like the ppl in Israel are going to suffer a lot with this so called blockade. not at all.

nothing is going to happen nobody is going to suffer Israel is a rich country with many friends who are ready to help it and fight for its rights. However the strikers have not understood one omportant thing and that is Sweden has exposed its hostile attitude towards the nice people of the state of Israel.
10:29 June 25, 2010 by Kooritze

I simply state the inevitable and it is not my own hidden agenda of hate of Israel.

It is your country who is building sectarian walls, bombing and shooting civilians when it feels like it, oppressing the Palestinians with a blockade and freedom of movement, killing foreign aid nationals in international waters, assassinating in foreign lands (past and near present). All it,s cynical actions backed up with a delusional religious fundamentalist view that God allocated that land to you.

You have more than enough hate and twisted arrogance within Israel.

I for one do not occupy my days thinking about Israel,s future. In Sweden we are lucky enough to live in a peaceful and free society. Enjoy your life in your made up self righteous nation. Even the largest tree will some day fall!
11:47 June 25, 2010 by Dano
02:33 June 25, 2010 by USA Is Number 1

Bigots routinely find a way to justify to themselves (and other bigots) their own bigotry, and they do this by over-emphasizing that which they wish to observe and dismissing or downplaying those observations which do not confirm their bigotry.

...and by having a sign in name of "USA is number 1" ? :)
12:33 June 25, 2010 by trevzns
USA is number 1,

What's happening in Palestine is wrong. As I mentioned the Palestinians will have to struggle for respect and self-determination, to end the continue annexation of land until the last man, woman and child standing.

The Israeli Government and some Jewish organization will scream anti-Semitism, Holocaust victims and destruction of the State of Israel whenever necessary as a distraction and shield to justify their actions of destruction, murder and assassination of peoples regarded as a threat.

I am aware of some of the horrible events and suffering during WWII, about 60 million human beings died.

The Holocaust was not exclusive to the Jewish community in Nazi Germany and in German-occupied territories.

Very little mention is made of the German citizens and peoples not associated with the Nazi party, handicapped persons, Gays, Gypsies, Blacks, Russians, other religious groups and organizations suffered the same faith.

Over 7 million German, Polish and European citizens of the Jewish religion died under Nazi Germany. The Nazi's did not discriminate in their programs of incarceration, medical experimentation, sterilization, brutality and murder.

Some of the principals of Zionism are based on the organizations interpretation of ancient biblical stories and prophecy. Along with individual self-interest and the ideology of the Jerusalem Program, the end justifies the means to many people in the Jewish communities.

The founder of Zionism and the State of Israel share the same ideologies, the establishment of the State of Israel at whatever means necessary.

As a member of the world governing community the Israeli Government continues to demonstrate their disregard and lack of respect for international law and the value for human life not of Jewish heritage and ideology.

The conflict in the Middle East will end, as history has shown occupying and oppressive government's fail over time.

The Palestinians someday will be able build museums and erect monuments of remembrance and join the State of Israel and Jewish communities by adding to the collections of horrific events of injustices and crimes committed against humanity.
18:32 June 25, 2010 by jonasuk
So what does a boycot/blockade lead to, a little more anger and frustration and the working class Israelis (and Arabs) who pick the Oranges and Avocados who will sell a little less and be penalized.

So a few swedes will not be able to buy Israeli fruit. It's hardly going to change anything but penalize those at the bottom

so much for workers solidarity.

Also what does the port blockaders think about the agression by Hamas?

And it will make it harder for Swedens voice to be heard.

Whatever side you are on, Boycots and blockades is what 5 year olds get up to not adults. It does not solve anything.

Better to follow Norway's example of consolidation and dialogue.
19:20 June 25, 2010 by trevzns
Jonasuk ,

History has shown boycotts and blockades are very effective along with consolidation and dialogue.

The worlds protest against South Africas insidious ideology of apartheid and the US civil rights movement are examples of what boycotts and blockades will achieve.
19:43 June 25, 2010 by rrabbit
avidror,you are wrong and i am not surprised,you are one of those that wil always justify those crimes against humanity

searcht the meaning of antisemitism,and you will realize that ashekenazes are not descendant from SEM

only 10% of the jews living in ISRAEL are really

Israel is occupied by a bunch of landless european ashkenazes who never had a country

explain me also why 2 millions jews like the naturei karta movement are against ISRAEL occupation,and those same ones are more religious..... i respect them,i respect the jews

but everybody by intentional misinformation,media distraction and manipulation do not know the truth. Of course you will always justify what can not be justified,i mean look at this swedish author and when they found a beard razor( yeahh that's a" weapon ") .

Also the new puppy target is Iranian president, make some search and you will also find how many jews work for the Iranian government,are well integrated but against Israel occupation. Those are the real jews,with honor.

But if you want look at real biography of Thodor Herzl,

whatever i am sure you will always have justfications .
19:45 June 25, 2010 by USA Is Number 1

If boycotts and blockades are the way of children in day care or kindergarten, then why is it that so many "developed" countries put up economic sanctions against other countries? Are they all immature?

While the Israeli agricultural industry does employ many Arabs, many of them have been displaced by immigrants from Thailand, Sri Lanka, Nepal and elsewhere; and it is an industry increasingly built on taking water (and land atop richer fresh water sources) from the pre-1967 Palestinian lands. That is more likely to sow seeds of further conflict in a way that is not the case for Israeli manufactured goods and services (including the high-technology industry) produced on or from resources of pre-1967 Israel.
20:27 June 25, 2010 by boby
@ Kooritze

You are full of BS propoganda. You know very well that what ever Israel is doing is as a result of a constant war that was imposed on her for the last 60 years. You also know very well that Israel is mostly secular, and its politics are definitely not led by some religious views.

And to your dreams- in the mean time, Israel has a great economy, a powerful military and a prime position in many many global applications of technology. Just compare the GDP per capita in Israel to any country around it, and even to European countries to see what I mean.

So if the present is any indication for future, and not some bigot wishful thinking, you have to get used to the fact my friend, that Israel will be here many years to come. Get used to it baby!
20:28 June 25, 2010 by Avidror
@ rrabit

I don't justify every single action by Israel. And now I ask you: if Ashkenazim aren't Semites, why did they inherit a Semitic language, the Hebrew? I searched for anti-Semitism and it's defined as the hatred and prejudice against Jews, regardless of whether they're Ashkenazim or they aren't.

And, if Ashkenazim aren't of Semite descent, where do they come from?

You wrote it, Jews in Iran are perfectly integrated... in the case they deny Israel's inherent right to exist. But Arabs in Israel are allowed to vote and being employed by the State of Israel, with no need to tell what their ideology is. Please search for freedom index in the Middle East.
22:13 June 25, 2010 by trevzns
@ Bobby

The Israelis great economy is supported by exports to the US, Europe and Africa etc. along with US and German taxpayers aid and support.

The powerful Israeli military and technology is European and US.
22:56 June 25, 2010 by boby
@ trevzns

Sure. So are you saying the tax payers in Europe in US and Africa and Middle east and Turkey and China etc are buying Israeli goods becuase they want to support Israel? You are very funny. People buy Israeli products becuase they are good. BTW, the majority of Israel export is technology, and most likely, in many electronis that youuse on a daily basis, there are some componenst or some software made in Israel.

Alot of the Israeli military technology is self made and exported to countries in Europe, US, India, China etc. Even Turkey buys un-manned military aircraft from Israel. Just a week ago Israel launched a 9th surveliance sattelite into space. Design, made, and built in Israel.
23:16 June 25, 2010 by Hagrid
@ Audrian

You contradict your own argument. On the one hand, you claim that "Arabs living in Israel are stateless", while on the other hand you say that "there is a mission to make the country all Jewish by redrawing its map such that its Arab citizens (over 15% 0f the total population) are excluded from this country - such that they became part of West Bank."

Well then - if Arabs living in Israel are indeed "stateless" as you say, and if they don't feel like they have enough rights in Israel, and feel more Palestinian than Israeli - then exactly what is wrong with this initiative of joining them to the West Bank? After all, this is giving them exactly what they had wanted, all this time. They get to keep their own homes and territories. They no longer have to put up with Israeli occupation, and so-called discrimination. They get united with their beloved Palestinian brothers, in the future Palestinian state. What is so wrong about that?

Well, maybe the answer to this question, is the fact that in the future Palestinian state, they would no longer have the generous social services, education, health care, and personal freedoms (such as lashing out against the establishment without being jailed, tortured and murdered) they enjoy in the horrible racist Apartheid Israel...
23:59 June 25, 2010 by waffen
Without the constant and continued aid of AIPAC and the United States, and the still guilt-ridden Germany, and sympathetic Europe, Israel would cease to exist.

How can any State so dependent on external aid for their existence be considered great? What country with an equal or better military has Israel defeated in the last 20 years?

What I see in the comments herein is pure propaganda, not facts or considered reasoning from the use of critical thinking.

Israel is a terrorist State, no better that their German Masters of World War II, from whom they have learned the expert use of ghettos.

Their last leader was a whoremaster.

Their present leader is a war-monger.

00:50 June 26, 2010 by jonasuk
boycotts rarely work because the incite agression.

dont use examples like South Africa, first of all there was not the complication of terrorism involved, then the fall of Apartheid was due to internal forces and the rise and popularity of leaders like Nelson Mandela. the decades long Boycott only made the poorer (blacks) poorer, the white man still survived in good health.

Some have suggested boycotting China becuase of the human rights abuses, but that would never happen becuase Swedes and (the rest of us), we love our chineese made laptops, plasma tvs, sneakers, cheap clothes and everything else this nation produces for us. We may be able to stop eating Israeli Avocado and buy Spanish oranges instead.

The latests agression from sweden to Israel will just reaffirm that Sweden is more and more an enemy of the state of Israel and the Israeli government will much prefer to enter talks with other more friendly nations.
00:51 June 26, 2010 by USA Is Number 1
Israel won't cease to exist, as it's militarily (and otherwise) powerful enough to assure that it remains viable even if it were to become a global pariah (more than is the case) and be abandoned by the US, UK. the rest of Europe and the world.

Israel has a right to exist, much like the Palestinians have a right to self-determination to have a state of their own. Generations of immigrants to Israel over the past several decades have, along with their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and so on, come to call the place home and now have nowhere else to call home. That reality on the ground is here to stay. What needs to cease is Israel's gamesmanship that is but an effort to avoid granting the Palestinians a viable state along the lines of the pre-1967 borders and to basically erase out the Palestinian identity.

Israel might be nominally a secular democracy, but it is certainly not a secular liberal (representative) democracy of the sort that is to be found in the US, India or even France. Israel does not allow for the legal recognition of interfaith marriages in Israel as the rabbinate in Israel has primacy in determining what is and is not allowed in such personal affairs. If an Israeli Jew and Israeli Muslim want to get married, they have to leave the country and get married elsewhere to have a chance to get it recognized in Israel. Secular, liberal (representative) democracies don't have such prohibitions against interfaith marriages.

Nor do secular liberal (representative) democracies stop minorities from bringing in foreign-born spouses just because the foreign born spouse also happen to be of the same minority faith. While Jewish Israelis can bring in non-Israeli Jewish and non-Jewish spouses, a Christian or Muslim Israeli will face major hurdles and even a ban on bringing in a foreign spouse of their own faith.

The Jewish religious community's hold on people (even secular persons) in Israel is sort of ironic given how secular so much of the Israeli population is and how liberal the Israeli judicial arrangements are or can be. But with demographic paranoia so prevalent about Jewish Israelis becoming a minority in "the Jewish state" (if only because Israeli and Palestinian Arabs tend to have higher growth rates than "secular Jews"), it's expected that Israel props up the hold of the religious Jewish Israelis since they are an Israeli "demographic weapon" against the "Arab" / Palestinian "demographic weapon".

About Israel being a terrorist state, can't it be said that all states are terrorist states in some form or another? States continue to exist only because they have (or claim to have) a legal monopoly on the use of violence in the lands they control and that monopoly on the use of violence goes largely unchallenged.
05:57 June 26, 2010 by jnightingale
Swedish Boycott of Israel

boycotts in general are not very productive. They tend to weaken political discourse within the targeted country. In addition, boycotts work both ways; you boycott Israel and Israel and her friends can retaliate by starting their own boycotts against Ikea, SAAB, tourism, etc...

On a different note, Israel's naval blockade is predicated on the same principles that JFK used in blockading Soviet vessels from entering Cuban waters in 1962. The reason for that blockade was clearly to prevent Russian rockets from being stationed on Cuban soil which was considered an unacceptable threat to the USA and the rest of Latin America. Israel's present naval blockade aims to to do the same. Considering the large number of rocket atacks that Israeli civilians have endured over the last seven years, that is not unreasonable act by Israel.

Interestingly enough, I do not recall that in 1962 Swedish dockworkers called for a boycott of American cargo ships. Could it be possible that Sweden public opinion has gone blind someway along the way.

Jed Nightingale

10:38 June 26, 2010 by boby
@ waffen

You know they saying the bod barks, and the convoy goes by....

So bark as you want, the facts are that Israel has the stongest economy in the middle east, not becuase of aid, but becuase of the creativity and pluralism of its society. Egypt gets more aid from US then Israel and where is it? 80% can not read or write and live without electricity or running water.

Israel bit 7 arab militaries for more then 60 years. Its population is 1% of the population of its enemies, yet Israel is doing much better then any of them . Facts are on the net, even a moron like you can find them
11:39 June 26, 2010 by USA Is Number 1

While you may make some good points, don't you think you lose it when you engage in calling someone a moron?

Egypt is not Israel's enemy, and hasn't been for many decades. If anything the Egyptian government is Israel's tool. Yes, Egypt gets a lot of US aid, but on a per capita basis, Israelis get far more money from the US government than Egypt does. The difference is that a greater proportion of the US assistance to Israel comes in the form of money with strings attached, like having to use the money to buy US goods.
11:45 June 26, 2010 by Taketh
These occupiers need to be dealt with accordlingly. The only language they get is violence. The day these surrounding countries will wake up, they and their allies will be in for a rude awakening, I'll tell you that!

13:18 June 26, 2010 by trevzns
@ bobby,

I am not suggesting Israel lacks the capability to manufacture and export military equipment and technology.

Israel is a self-reliant nation that lacks natural resources and does not have possession of territories to maintain its world power status.

Like many other counties in the world Israel depend on imports of energy, raw materials for manufacture of heavy equipment and technology.

The State of Israel can build and launch the next rocket to Mars, Israel is a Protectorate of the US and Europe.

@ jonasuk

The South Africas apartheid government and The State of Israel Zionist ideologies are examples of European culture addiction to a God complex.

The good news for humanity, a God Complex is a mental health disorder and treatable.

In the US, Israel, Europe, and much of the world, as South Africans struggled under subjugation, oppression it was business as usual with trade, export and support with the South Africa apartheid government.

The South African government had a very power military and natural resources at their disposal.

The indigenous people of South Africa were a threat to their European colonist.

What the Africans did not know, according to religious ideologies Europeans are God chosen peoples and Africa and whatever land they arrive upon are their promised lands.

The then terrorist South Africans protested with whatever mains necessary and their stones and sticks were meet with bullets, dogs, teargas, bulldozers and helicopter gunships, incarceration and murder.

History has shown use of military force, subjugation, isolation, settlements, oppression and denial of human rights are not the best solution for peace and mutual respect.

The height of arrogance is the European culture creation of a Judeo-Muslim, Christian God and prophets in his image.

Along with the enlightened self-interest prophecies and ideologies to subjugate and oppress human beings, these are crimes against humanity.
15:46 June 26, 2010 by rrabbit
Who are the real ‘Anti-Semites'?

Researched by Mr A. Tilling

On many occasions, the Israeli government has dismissed criticism of its policies and actions as being ‘anti-Semitic'. The term was originally coined in around the nineteenth century and has increased in use since the terrible atrocities committed by the Nazi regime and their supporters against Jews in early twentieth century Europe. Now the term appears to have given some of the descendants of those who suffered from hostility towards Jews in Europe virtual immunity when it comes to the modern-day political actions of the Zionists in Israel. Those ardent defenders of Zionism, the US political administration, have also leapt to Israel's defence upon hearing of criticism against the regime by some of the European governments that have some sympathy towards the persecuted Palestinians, and they have also highlighted Europe's Anti-Semitic history suggesting that this is somehow influencing their position on this issue. One has to ask therefore – is the Zionist regime of Israel the victim of Anti-Semitism?

Firstly, one needs to consider what the term ‘Semite' refers to before one can understand its antithesis. The Pan Macmillan Encyclopaedia provides the following definition:

Semites – a group of peoples, including the Jews and the Arabs, said in the Bible to be descended from Shem, Noah's eldest son. The Semetic languages consist of a group of languages spoken in North Africa to the Southwest corner of Asia. Examples are Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, Ethiopic and Maltese.

Therefore, a Semite does not only refer to Jews, but to all peoples who speak Semetic languages and this certainly includes Arabs. Israeli society is in fact dominated by people ethnically known as ‘Ashkenazi' Jews, referring to the Jews that have a Germanic and Slavic background who have migrated in large numbers from Europe and the USA since the state of Israel became firmly established. Today, around 85% of all Jews are Ashkenazim. According to Abraham Pollock, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University: "The large majority of world Jewry is descended from the Jews of Khazaria" [From: The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler, Random House, 1976 p226]. Most of these Ashkenazi Jews actually have no ethnic or historical connection with ancient Israel and are actually descendants of a Turkic people who created a kingdom called Khazaria, and the sovereign of this kingdom embraced Judaism in the seventh century. This is supported by the American People's Encyclopaedia 1964 [15-292] which records that: "In 740 the Khazars officially converted to Judaism…it is from this grouping that most German and Polish Jews are descended and they likewise make up a considerable part of that population found in the USA. The term Ashkenazim is now applied to this…division". Dr Alfred Lillenthal, who has spent his life in educating Americans about the Middle East, writes that: "That the Khazars are the lineal ancestors of Eastern European Jewry is a historical fact".

Jewish historians and religious textbooks acknowledge this fact, though propagandists of Jewish nationalism belittle it as ‘pro-Arab propaganda' [From: What Price Israel, Henry Regency, 1953]. He also adds in the same book: "These Askhenazim Jews…have little or no trace of Semitic blood" [p222]. Thus based on this evidence, one may reasonably conclude that the majority of Jews in the world today are actually not Semites, neither by descent nor by ethnicity, as most of the Jews in Israel, Europe and the Americas are culturally more European anyway seeing as their ancestors became almost fully immersed in European culture because they lived in Europe for centuries.

The only peoples in the modern state of Israel who can properly be regarded as Semitic, both in terms of ancestry and culture, are the Arabs. The term ‘Arab' however is purely an ethnic term and does not have any religious connotation. The majority of Arabs in Israel today [if one includes Palestinians in this definition, who territory-wise mainly live within Israel's borders even if they do not have citizenship status] are [what are popularly called] ‘Muslims'. There are also Arab Christians [at one time, one in five of the Arab inhabitants of Palestine was Christian, and Bethlehem was once 95% Christian] and Arab Jews living under the Zionist regime. This may surprise a lot of people, as the common misconception is that Arab always equals ‘Muslim', but this is as untrue as the delusion that the Israel-Palestine conflict is a holy war between Jews and ‘Muslims'. The Arab Jews are called ‘Mizrahim' who had lived in parts of North Africa, Yemen and the Levant region for millennia. ‘Official' Israeli history presents the emigration of the Mizrahi to Israel as being the result of ‘anti-Semitism' within the countries they had lived or for certain religious reasons.

This however does not explain the economic interests of the Ashkenazi Zionists and the fact that many of the Arab Jews lived relatively peacefully alongside the other non-Jewish Arabs before. There is evidence of these Arab Jews being victims of discrimination in today's Zionist society [despite this being portrayed as a liberation movement for all Jews!] – the infamous kidnapping of 600 Jewish Yemenite babies by Israeli medical and social care professionals to give to childless European Jewish couples is an example often used to illustrate this.

The Arab Jews, as well as non-Jewish Arabs, constitute the majority of the lower economic classes of Israel. Some groups have formed protesting against the continued building of luxurious homes for newly arrived immigrants coming in from the USA and Europe while the majority of Mizrahim have to put up with lower quality living conditions [Ref: Arab Jews by Adam Hanieh 2000]. In addition, Arab Christians have also suffered from the tyranny of the Zionists. Bethlehem's mayor Hana Nasser told Reuters [November 04, 2000] that "this intifada [uprising] is a Palestinian intifada, not ‘Muslim', not Christian. We consider ourselves to be Palestinians before anything else". Reuter's also interviewed Father Jacob of Bethlehem's Orthodox Church, who stated that: "We suffer just as much as the Muslims because we are all in the same boat," while marching in the funeral procession of a Muslim youth killed by Israeli gunfire this week. "Our destiny is the same, we are all parts of one body. Unfortunately, this body is diseased and we will all do what we can so that it can fight off this disease." Even though most victims are always going to be ‘Muslims', as most Arabs living with Israel's borders adhere to ‘Islam', one can see quite clearly that the Zionist regime is not discriminating on a religious basis here, but on an ethnic one.

Israel Shamir, a Tel Aviv journalist who has worked for the newspaper Ha'aretz and the BBC, writes that: "The problems of the Middle East are ugly enough without the current ‘Muslim'-bashing. The pro-Israeli pundits of the New York Times quote the blood-curling verses..retell the old traditions of religious wars and persecutions, to ‘prove' ‘Islam's' cruelty and intolerance. They are repeated by a pleasant upper-class Jewish lady from London, Barbara Amiel…she writes about "exclusivist" Islam and Jewish "moderation" [surely it is the other way around, isn't' it?!]. In order to incite hatred, the Israeli lobby works all the ropes.

Before the rise of Israel, Arab sheiks were depicted as romantic heroes in movies acted by Rudolf Valentino. Nowadays, the pro-Israel producers of Hollywood turn out propaganda films on ‘Muslim terrorists' with the subtlety of Edward D. Wood, Jr. This new prejudice is amplified a hundredfold by the Christian Zionist Congress, claiming "protection for Christians of Palestine from the Moslem persecution" (?!).

If these Christian Zionists care for Christ, not only for Zion, let them learn what many of the Jews feel towards Christ. Rami Rozen expressed the Jewish tradition in a long feature in a major Israeli newspaper Haaretz[i]: "Jews feel towards Jesus today what they felt in 4 th century or in the Middle Ages: ..."For centuries, Jews concealed from Christians their hate to Jesus, and this tradition continues even now." "He (Jesus) is revolting and repulsive", said an important modern religious Jewish thinker. Rozen writes that this "repulsion passed from the observant Jews to the general Israeli public". [Summarized from: ‘Exposing the Big Lie about Muslims and Christians' by Israel Shamir, 2001 ].

What I think these attitudes clearly illustrate is not only a hatred towards the current incorrect conceptions about what is popularly perceived as ‘Islam' in most of Europe and the Americas, but a hatred towards the overall culture of the peoples of the Middle East generally, hence the support for Zionists is not particularly on a religious level, but on a cultural one as the Zionists who dominate Israel, as previously explained, are more ‘Western' in their culture.

So therefore, the government of Israel and the actions of the Zionists cannot be immune from criticism and opposition simply on the basis that they are victims of ‘anti-Semitic' prejudice. This article has shown that the vast majority of Israeli Zionists are ultimately of Turkic extraction in terms of ancestry and not Semitic, and are culturally Europeanized seeing as the majority Ashkenazis all have origins in European countries.

It is actually the authorities in Israel themselves that are anti-Semitic, clearly having a hatred towards all Arabs, even when it comes to the actual Semitic Jews themselves! This hatred ranges from social discrimination against Arab Jews to massacring Arab Palestinians, whether they be ‘Muslim' or Christian. It is indeed rare to compare the ideology of the Nazis with the ideology of the Zionists, but they certainly do appear have one vital characteristic in common – they both have the intention to enact anti-Semitic policies!

15:50 June 26, 2010 by rrabbit
i hope you also watched the video on youtube,wich explained how ROOSEVELT for example made it difficult for any jew to come in the US at one moment,i wish there was a way to educate people about all of this,and not trough the manipulative medias owned by the same people everywhere in the world

now call it what you want

if the new world order is what you call "freedom" then there is much more to debate here but it's not the right place
17:26 June 26, 2010 by Avidror
@ rrabit

You're completely wrong. Ashkenazim are as Jews as Sfaradim or Mizrachim. It has been proved on the basis of genetic studies that they arrived in Central and Eastern Europe from the Middle East via other territories. Please read here:


Sorry, but genetic studies confirm that Ashkenazim are from Jewish descent.

Furthermore, we need to ask who is a Jew. If somebody practice the Jewish religion, or participates in Jewish cultural traditions, defining himself or herself as a Jew and being integrated into the Jewish community, he or she is Jewish, regardless of his or her background.

And as I said before, 68% of Israel's Jews, regardless of their origins, were born and grew up in the State of Israel. They're more than a half of Israel's total population and they have the right to remain there in their own State.
19:03 June 26, 2010 by rrabbit
sorry i dont know your source,wikipedia is certainly not perfect,try to look elswhere and you will find the truth

yes they were born from parents who emigrated to a land wich didnt belong to them

,so if they are born on palestinian territory,they should have palestinian citizenship,once the palestinian state is created and each onegoes back to his home.

Israel is made of colonies,telling me 68% is born there is no excuse,they had parents

read this http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

i ll come back with more facts you won't be able to deny,i am just for justice and peace,the jews are not zionists

ISRAELIans are mostly ashekenazis who are no semetic descedant period


now i hope mossad doesnt start intimidating me or come kill me because i said the truth

23:24 June 27, 2010 by Avidror
@ rrabit

Wikipedia is a useful tool if you know how to use it. The article I've linked before contains reliable sources. Now, please read:

"The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."


The D.N.A. doesn't lie.

By the way, Walid Shoebat is a former member of the P.L.O. He put into question the so-called Palestinian nationality:

"Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?"

"We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag."

"When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out."

This is my source, where many more Arab statements are collected:


You wrote Israel was built through imposition and colonialism, but Canada, the United States, New Zealand and Australia also were. Would you remove people of European descent from those places? And by the way, where did the Palestinian Arabs come from? Please, tell me.

If 68% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, Israel is their home, regardless of their backgrounds. If a guy was born in Jerusalem, he has the right to remain there, regardless of his name is Mustafa al-Maliki or Moshe Appelbaum.

Don't worry, the Mossad has better things to do rather than trying to kill a guy who considers himself with the right to remove entire populations from their homes.
21:36 July 10, 2010 by rrabbit
do some search and you will find out that wikipedia contains some big lies,most ISRAELIENS ARE ASHKENAzis descent then,

i never said that they should be removed from there,but dont call it their home

,also Palestine has a right to exist as a State,

it is obvious who you are and will argue about anything. Reminds me of those who ignore the UN ,did you read the Goldstone report? are you going to say argue with it also?

too much to say

Zionists are very different than Jews.

A country like Morroco(muslims) protected the jews during WW2,

zionists,illuminatis.... same people trying to have a one government world.

whatever,go ahead and keep justifying who commited crimes against humanity

i am done with you i know who you are
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