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Sweden considers healthcare for illegals

TT/The Local · 16 Oct 2010, 18:08

Published: 16 Oct 2010 18:08 GMT+02:00

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The right to healthcare for refugees who reside in Sweden illegally remains a controversial issue within the government as the Moderates have hitherto put a stop to proposals.

Integration minister Erik Ullenhag, of the Liberal Party, is however hopeful that an agreement can be reached and healthcare and schooling afforded even to those without the necessary documentation and for refugees in hiding.

"I think that we will reach our goal both for care for those in hiding and schooling for children. All children have a right to go to school," said Ullenhag in an interview with Sveriges Radio's Ekot news programme.

"I will continue to argue for what we believe in and we are not alone within the government. We think that it is reasonable that you should be able to go to accident and emergency and receive care, even if you are illegal," said Ullenhag.

Several of the centre-right parties are open for a discussion on the issue of illegal immigrant rights.

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The same position is held by the Social Democrats and the Green Party, which have been invited to discussions over integration and immigration policy in a move to attempt to achieve a majority in parliament on the issue.

The centre-right Alliance government has taken steps to reach cross-party agreement in order to rule out any influence form the far-right Sweden Democrats on the issue.

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18:52 October 16, 2010 by Nemesis
I knew they would try to pull a stunt due to there impotence over the Sweeden Democrats getting in. This looks like it.

This will backfire, BADLY.

This will play into the Sweden Democrats hands. The people who will suffer most in the long term, will be those to weak or frightened to defend themselves.
18:54 October 16, 2010 by farooqkifayat
I lov sweden for this kind of stuff.
19:28 October 16, 2010 by calebian22
I was injured when I came here to visit my family a few years ago. I had no problem getting health care. I paid up front though and for the full price of the procedures. These illegals should be treated the same at best. No money, no honey.

Nemesis is correct. This is going to backfire big time in favor of the SD's. In 2014 the loons (Who just don't understand that Sweden can't divide 100 kr into 10,000 meaningful pieces) will again be in the streets of Stockholm protesting against SD. The difference will be that then they will wondering why 15% of Sweden are now "nazis."
19:51 October 16, 2010 by Syftfel
Why is my sense of fairness and justice violated when I read this story? Does this Ullenhag really want us award lawbreakers with benefits?? At tax payers' expense? Isn't this one of many reasons why SD received 5.77% of the electorate last month? Most Swedes think that if an illegal alien is in a traffic accident, yes, they should be patched up, but then she should be sent home! Or does Ullenhag think that we should give them cancer care, heart transplants, and botox injections at tax payers' expense? Ullenhag is on very thin ice here in my opinion, and ought to re-think his!!! This is playing right into the hands of SD. Good luck SD. Seems like some people are making it easy for you.
20:05 October 16, 2010 by Sam1

Children are children, Sweden is respected worldwide and is on the top globally because they have honourful laws that protects Child women and the elderly.

You can say I'm a vegetarian but I eat chicken!! Kind of!! Children are children..And the World health organization has rules that every one should get medical care no matter if they have money or honey!!!

These are basic human rights..You people sound so selfish when you keep on talking tax payers, if you feel so much bullied stop working and stop bragging for that tax you pay as if you do not benefit from this tax, as if its not saving you pension as if you are not inssured with the same tax..Stop being selfish and put yourself in other people situation...ILLIGALs who are going back or who will stay or whatever all human deserve medical treatment and School.

if you like mean rules that bring about murder and chaos and some get some not...And white are better than different colours and the rape and porno and drugs is everywhere child abuse and domestic violences, teenagers stealing to buy food go to USA!! and dont be under the Swedish fame of being the best country in Human rights.
20:39 October 16, 2010 by GefleFrequentFlyer

Couldn't have said it better. Bingo.

Now that the SDs are in, the opposing parties have nothing to hide, and are showing their true sympathies. Illegal = Round up and deport.
20:52 October 16, 2010 by Iraniboy

He didn't say they shouldn't be round up and deport.

I agree that illegals should be deported right away since they have violated the law hence they are somehow criminal. But it doesn't mean they should die? Even criminals have a right to healthcare. I think illegals should have access to health care and then deported.
21:02 October 16, 2010 by krrodman
The social contract between citizen the the State is the foundation of western democracies. The citizen, in exchange for working, paying taxes, voting, following the laws etc etc gets health care, transportation, police protection education etc etc etc. in return.

The difficult question is always what to do with illegals. In my opinion, since they do not participate in paying taxes etc etc, they do not automatically deserve the benefits of citizenship such as healthcare and education.

Do I think illegals should be deported? No, not necessarily. There needs to be a pathway to citizenship for illegals who are acting and behaving as if they were citizens. And, during the trial period illegals should be given all of the benefits of citizenship.
23:06 October 16, 2010 by Sam1

I think any human beings must have access to health care and education obligatory education for children..

Paying tax is something called sharing, for example my work tax goes to the gov and divided equaly in places of need and maybe uneployment when I'm unemployed I get help from others too, I pay tax for pensionaires and the young will pay tax to my pension in future for example so its a concidrate way of life and welfare.

We cannot deprive any one we dont know their future,,

Sharing is caring and that example 100 piece of bread divided on million is not true and just fake assumptions..thank God He still gives us a good life and health and wealth and protection because we love each other and care for each other as human beings...

But if we start to behave selfish and worse than animals then we shall see the real hell!!! Wether tax payers or not :-)
23:48 October 16, 2010 by janswed
sami 1 Please leave youre imaginary Skydaddie out it ,I say provide health care for the children they are innocent.
02:49 October 17, 2010 by Bork
I see no problem with this IF they then follow procedure and deport the illegal. If they just let them go and pretend they're not illegal, this basically says to people anywhere in the world, you can come to Sweden, live on the margins, and receive free health care and you won't be deported.
03:46 October 17, 2010 by bolababu
If you are by any means human, you will always keep to heart the fact that every other human being you see is first a human being like your self before falling into any category of your numerous adjectives with which you describe other people in order to feel good about yourself. Eg; illegals, immigrants, muslims, homosexuals, zionists etc.

Why does everything have to be about money? ..you're definitely not the only one paying taxes.
07:41 October 17, 2010 by georgekrk
Where will be SD will it let that to pass
09:18 October 17, 2010 by calebian22
Sam1, bolababu

You both seem to think that socialised medicine is synonymous with free. If you are not a full member of society, meaning paying salary taxes (sales tax doesn't count since tourists from other lands would be covered by your thinking since they buy things in Sweden when they are here) you don't get the full benefits of being a member of society. No one is saying that illegals and their children should not have access to healthcare, but they should pay full price and then as others have stated, be deported. Why should lawbreakers get free (and it would be in actuality) healthcare when full tax paying members of Swedish society don't get "free" healthcare?
09:37 October 17, 2010 by itzsmz
agree with calebian22

the illegals have the right to healthcare and education and they are very much welcomed. but sorry, if they want FREE education and SUBSIDIZED healthcare, not to mention the unemployment benefits, then they should very well start working and contribute to the society too! they should on their own part contemplate how WRONG and SELFISH it is to go on a free-ride on the social and unemployment benefits. i know of illegals who come to Sweden cos they know it's a FREE country. it is so disgusting that after they are given a place to call home, they just expect to be served like kings and queens when taxpayers are working their butts off. some of them are even earning illegally by renting out rooms (which i think are again obtained through the social benefits) and even then they evade paying taxes by not declaring the rental. should these people get the social benefits? i would say NO!
09:54 October 17, 2010 by Prat
As social benefits are abused, and mutual trust deteriorates, people stop investing voluntarily in our assorted systems.

We then must spend additional resources on enforcement, which triggers further alienation.

This plays into the hands of big capital who would privatize & monopolize everything. We become another enslaved people grubbing for bare survival.
11:19 October 17, 2010 by rafa1981
What I don´t undestand is why don' t they create a NGO for this, or even to put a checkbox in the "deklarera" with the following text "I agree to destinate x% part of my taxes for solidarity", when you do the "deklarera" you could have choices to deceide where your money will be going.

You can´t do solidarity with your neighbors money, he is free to be greedy if he wants, that´s called freedom.

I do really think that there is an established plan to make the welfare system unsustainable and make it tend to liberal models, as is the trend in all Europe, of course those liberal models are not true liberal models, are models were the privarte earnings are privatized and the loses socialized (too big to fall).
11:41 October 17, 2010 by cowboykodp

That doesn't say much about SD, if they want to refuse basic health care to human beings. As far as paying; do you think these people would leave their own country if they had good finances? They are leaving because they are poor, and want a better life for their children.

I am not arguing if we should allow or not allow mass refugees, so don't get excited.

A little paradigm for you:

Imagine for a moment this "illegal" was a poor 6 year old white girl with blue eyes and Christian from a small village in Czech. She also has leukemia. What should be done with her?
11:56 October 17, 2010 by calebian22

I am not saying that any system will fit every situation 100 percent of the time. No matter what, someone, somewhere will fall through the cracks. It is not Sweden's responsibility to save the world, this includes people who are here illegally. Is it sad? Yes. Is it Sweden's responsibility to provide free health care to law breakers? No. It is Sweden's responsibility to take care of legal residents of Sweden as their number one priority. Legal residents are the backbone of Sweden's wealth.

Sam1 didn't like my 100kr divided up into 10,000 usable amounts. People like him seem to think that there is no limit that Sweden can spend on non-system contributors. Prioritization of resources is a requirement within society. Allowing illegals the same benefits as legal residents is a disasterous idea, no matter the color of their skin or their eye color.
12:16 October 17, 2010 by Ansgard
Next up: Free prostitutes!
13:03 October 17, 2010 by Syftfel
How about facelifts, liposuction, buttock enhancements, and breast implants?
13:52 October 17, 2010 by mikewhite
Many posters seem to make the assumption "illegal (immigrant) = criminal".

I think many people in 'the west' would break a law if it made the difference to the survival of their family.
14:08 October 17, 2010 by svenskamerikansk
If you reward bad behavior, you get more of it. It's a fact of life.
14:32 October 17, 2010 by Hedley
Ok, let state it clearly: if an "illegal" immigrant is a carrier of Tuberculosis, what do you think is the best thing to do:

1-kick his/her a.ss back home?

2-Treat him and avoid a spread to other people?

Both options are correct, but #1 would be fine for the Nazis and #2 could be considered as more "humane"
14:44 October 17, 2010 by calebian22

What is your definition of the word illegal?

As the late Rep. Sonny Bono said regarding what he thought of illegal immigration, "It is illegal." That pretty much sums it up.
16:04 October 17, 2010 by Zero
@Hedley: How about we treat him and THEN send him back to his own country where he can pay taxes like everyone else.
19:11 October 17, 2010 by mikewhite

Bono ducked the question because he knew American society would collapse without all the low-paid "illegal" workers in service industry jobs.

I was drawing a distinction between "illegal" i.e. in breach of laws, and the term "criminal" as understood by most people meaning someone habitually lawbreaking with malicious intent against other people.
19:53 October 17, 2010 by Rebel
Does this have anything to do with the attempt to circumvent Polish laws against abortion? Is this merely a means to allow women from countries where abortion is illegal to come to Sweden so the Swedish taxpayer can pay for the abortion?
22:36 October 17, 2010 by calebian22

Whatever Bono's reasons for answering the question is moot. ( I am fully aware that Democrats want their vote, and Republicans want cheap labor for corporate owners, so yay! American voters win! er, no...) Illegal immigration is illegal. The first thing these people do upon entering the country is break the law. That shows a complete lack of respect for the citizens of the country, but more importantly is unfair to those people who are dotting their i's and crossing their t's and doing it by the book to enter the country. Why should illegals be rewarded for skirting the system when law abiders are waiting in ques with no guarantees of getting in?

Considering that Merriam Webster's Thesarus considers "criminal" to be a synonym of "illegal," (also, felonious, illegitimate, illicit, lawless, unlawful, wrongful) I will have to disagree. Illegals are criminals by definition. Any complaints regarding Merriam Webster's synonyms can be sent to their corporate office in Springfield, Massachusetts.
22:44 October 17, 2010 by facetedjewel
Pardon - but speaking for the most of the population of the planet, we are a few paychecks, one political, economic or environmental disaster from illegal and/or refugee status ourselves. Isn't it in our best interests to have humane policies in place regarding food, shelter, healthcare and education, in every country, in that event?
00:21 October 18, 2010 by spacesquid
Awesome!! Now I know where to go if I need some type of health care in the future. I wonder if I'm the only one in the world who has noticed this loophole. Thanks for your compasion Sweden. Now getting on the waiting list with the rest of us illegal immigrants and get ready for believe it or not even higher taxes! THANKS!!!
02:58 October 18, 2010 by glamelixir
This is JUST ridiculous. The entire healthcare system is going down, schools are pointed out as deteriorating, taxes are being reduced AND we will give free healthcare to illegal immigrants? Soon all americans will come here to get free healthcare when they have something too complicated. hahaha.

I only find one logic behind this, the party is trying to push the system so far as to collapse to be able to implement private healthcare and private schools as the holy solution when it all melts down, and then BINGO they got their little business just how they wanted. Pathetic.
03:30 October 18, 2010 by ajs42548
As an American, I will be watching how this unfolds. I know that Swedish doctors are very skilled. How much is a round trip ticket from NYC to Sweden these days anyway? We have the same problem with illegals not only getting free health care, but many of them now vote, illegally of course.
05:19 October 18, 2010 by Jarvilainennen

What sort of humane policies would possibly exist in a post- economic meltdown world?

To comment on article, once you build up such a system of health care & schooling, you can´t dismantle it anymore... You´re stuck with it and if you get into excrement with it, you will STAY up to your ears in it.

People will take advantage of such a system and you can´t blame them for doing so.

I´d like to see some details of this plan so if anyone knows, a link, please. Sounds so outrageus it has to be interesting.
07:52 October 18, 2010 by Alf Garnett
Hang'on a minute, these are ILLEGAL immigrants, so any healthcare they receive should be whilst they are being held in custody awaiting deportation.
08:08 October 18, 2010 by rafa1981

Politicians create a problem first, and then they come to you offering a solution, everyone can imagine which is the solution, or said in other way, why are they degrading the welfare sustainability.

Anyways, in case of infectious diseases they should be treated to avoid infections to Swedes.
10:16 October 18, 2010 by SarahRF
I agree with calebian. Illegal immigrants are by definition criminals upon entering the country. And as someone else pointed out, why bother doing things the legal way to get into a country if you get the same rights and benefits if you enter the country illegally? There is certainly NO motivation whatsoever to do things the right way. And if these illegal immigrants, be they from Canada or Somalia, aren't paying taxes, why the hell should I?

Sure, treat them and get them better, give them some long term meds to prevent any recurrence of diseases, but then send them back home. Give them the papers to fill in to get into Sweden legally, hell maybe even employ someone to help them do it the right way, and then once it's done and ready, allow them back into the country. Keep deporting them until they get the message that coming in ILLEGALLY makes them a criminal, and that it's not right.

If you reward them with benefits, you'll end up with more and more illegals than legals, and then you're up sh*t creek without a paddle.
11:00 October 18, 2010 by Bork
calebian22: "I am fully aware that Democrats want their vote, and Republicans want cheap labor for corporate owners, so yay! American voters win! er, no..."

This is the problem everywhere. The center-left parties are short sighted and are thinking of easy votes and the right parties are thinking of how they can drive down labor costs, break unions, reduce support for social welfare. People need to stop thinking that caring about immigration and refugees inflow is a right-wing thing. It's not the case at all. I'd honestly rather live in a borderless world, but we have to take care of some serious problems first so most people won't escape their country to go to the rich ones. We need to do everything possible to help countries become self-sustaining, stable, peaceful, and free of corruption and military/gang/drug-lord rule. I do not think many of the western powers are doing that and are instead still in a selfish, short-sighted imperialist mind set.
18:14 October 24, 2010 by SUPER PATRIOT
Don´t do it!!! don´t provide benefits for illegals. The best assistance you can do for them is buy them a one way ticket back to where they came from. Their own countries should take care of them. This mess has to stop.
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