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Assange granted bail as court rejects appeal

AFP/The Local · 16 Dec 2010, 15:12

Published: 16 Dec 2010 15:12 GMT+01:00

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The 39-year-old Australian was in court to hear the judge reject an appeal on behalf of Swedish prosecutors against a ruling Tuesday by a lower court that he be bailed.

"I am going to grant conditional bail," judge Duncan Ouseley said.

He endorsed the stringent bail conditions imposed by the lower court, that Assange's supporters must pay a £240,000 ($374,000) surety and he be subject to electronic tagging and a curfew.

The judge made a slight change to the arrangements for Assange to report regularly to police near a supporter's country mansion in eastern England where he must stay.

Bail was also only granted on condition that 200,000 pounds in cash of the surety is made available to the court by the end of the day.

Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, earlier indicated that he would have the money in time.

Sweden wants Britain to extradite Assange for questioning over claims of rape and sexual molestation against two women in Stockholm in August, offences which he denies and which his lawyers argue are politically motivated.

They cite the timing of his arrest, which coincided with the release by the whistle-blowing website of thousands of confidential US diplomatic cables that have caused huge embarrassment and anger in Washington.

Assange's mother, Christine, and supporters including campaigning journalist John Pilger, had packed out the courtroom for the hour-and-a-half hearing along with hordes of journalists.

"I appreciate all the support," Christine Assange told reporters afterwards.

Other supporters gathered in driving rain outside the Gothic court house shrieked with delight at news of the ruling and chanted "exposing war crimes is no crime".

Hailing the judge's decision, Pilger said it was "good news but it's overdue" and suggested the wider issue was whether the US would also eventually seek Assange's extradition.

"I think we should be looking in the long distance to the threat not just of extradition to Sweden but also of extradition to the US.

"That is the great unspoken issue in this court," Pilger told journalists.

The judge rejected the assertion by British lawyers acting on behalf of Sweden that Assange was a flight risk.

"The court does not approach this case on the basis that this is a fugitive from justice who seeks to avoid interrogation and prosecution," the judge said.

Another condition of bail was that Assange live at the country estate of Vaughan Smith, an ex-British army officer who founded the Frontline Club, a media club in London where WikiLeaks has based part of its operations.

He must stay there during the extradition proceedings, which may take months.

Speaking before the court hearing, Pilger said: "I hope he will be released -- he should be, he is an innocent man until proven otherwise."

Story continues below…

Thailand's royal family was the subject of the latest WikiLeaks revelations Thursday, as a memo from the US embassy in Bangkok showed top palace officials expressed concern about the prospect of the crown prince becoming king.

Three influential Thai figures, including two senior advisers to revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej, "had quite negative comments about Crown Prince (Maha) Vajiralongkorn," said the memo dated January 2010.

Another leaked cable also revealed that an oil platform in Azerbaijan operated by BP suffered a well blowout and a huge gas leak around 18 months before the Gulf of Mexico spill.

US President Barack Obama has led worldwide condemnation of WikiLeaks, dubbing their actions as "deplorable", and Washington is pursuing an investigation into how the website obtained the information.

But WikiLeaks and its founder have also won global support -- hackers have attacked credit card and payment firms who restricted funds to the website, and more than 660,000 people have signed an online petition of support.

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15:35 December 16, 2010 by skatty
The moral advice for everybody is: "Life may become extremely complicated when a condom break, especially if you live in Sweden!"

The political advice for everybody is: "A broken condom can leaks all kinds of problems, including political problems!"
15:41 December 16, 2010 by Kalyissa
I find it scary so many people are supporting a suspected rapist The worst of the accusations is the one where he had sex with a sleeping woman. Think about how you would feel it it was your sister, etc who had been the victim.

I don't really care about this whole wikileaks fiasco, it doesn't affect me and it probably won't. I think if the Americans want him they will somehow stop him coming from Sweden since Sweden doesn't have a treaty with the Americans like the English do.

That's if he even survives the next few weeks. I wouldn't be suprised if he's dead by the end of January. He's pxxxxd off to many powerful people.
15:50 December 16, 2010 by procrustes

First--be careful using the word "rape". That word conjures visions of brutal often life-threatening attack. What's going on here is no where near what the word "rape" connotes. No one, not the women making the complaint, nor anyone else has suggested such a thing. Please understand he is not accused of "rape". He accused of...well, we're not exactly sure, but it is NOT classic rape--male overpowering woman to force enter into her body.

Using the word "rape" to describe what went on is nothing short of a purposeful lie told by Sweden's justice officials. The only explanation of why that word is used can only be that the purpose is to slander Mr. Assange.

Please, do not participate in the ongoing slander.
16:06 December 16, 2010 by PaulPC
Kalyissas says: "The worst of the accusations is the one where he had sex with a sleeping woman."

Consider two scenarios:

1) A stranger happens upon a woman who is sleeping and, taking advantage of her vulnerability, initiates sex with her.

2) A man has consensual sex with a woman, sleeps in the same bed with her, and in the morning initiates loving sex with her before she has awoken.

Which scenario do you think the Swedish law applies to the more?
16:09 December 16, 2010 by procrustes

My guess is that the law doesn't differentiate. The fact that he had consensual sex before they went to sleep the previous night probably doesn't matter either. From my current understanding, Swedish Law is at best "confused".
16:09 December 16, 2010 by Nilspet

I totally, wholly and absolutely agree with you !
16:10 December 16, 2010 by ppaf

I understand your concern, but the issue here is clearly political. I think the best source is from the association Women Against Rape:


"There is a long tradition of the use of rape and sexual assault for political agendas that have nothing to do with women's safety. In the south of the US, the lynching of black men was often justified on grounds that they had raped or even looked at a white woman. Women don't take kindly to our demand for safety being misused, while rape continues to be neglected at best or protected at worst."

source: http://www.womenagainstrape.net/inthemedia/women-question-unusual-zeal-pursuing-julian-assang
16:46 December 16, 2010 by Rebel
If Assange was being held in a Russian jail, and the Chinese were demanding he be turned over to them for releasing sensitive information, the Swedish government would send Mr. Bildt to bark up a storm of protest.

Seems in the present, real-life, situation Sweden is exposed as a hypocritical nation.
17:07 December 16, 2010 by BERTRAM
17:10 December 16, 2010 by RobinHood
"The history of the way it [the case] has been dealt with by the Swedish prosecutors would give Mr Assange some basis that he might be acquitted following a trial." - Mr Justice Ouseley, the English High Court

Taxi for Ms Ny and for Swedish "justice".
17:20 December 16, 2010 by beefinswede
Who was the wretched politician who ordered the rejected prosecution to be fixed and restarted?
17:25 December 16, 2010 by eZee.se
Hip! Hip!....
17:44 December 16, 2010 by Jonsol69.blogspot.com
'My lord, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.'

'Ay good fellow, but the rot is in every state.'

"The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence; from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from great courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage." - Sir Alex Fraser Tyler. Scottish historian, 1742-1813. Source: The Decline and Fall of the Atehnian Republic. C.1799.

Everything changes and yet remains the same. The rot within and above state, law, bank and corporation is a cancer so advanced its tumour is clearly visible in numerous countries. One would have to be brainwashed, asleep, hypnotized or dosed on MSM to not see it.

Sweden recently felt the sting of lone attack, which has been spun in every direction than straight to truth. Shall we see what is behind, as with NY, Madrid and London or will it be the ominous MSM spin of news filterers to manufacture consent, opinion and belief. However, without accusation or assumption, merely observation.

What is the common man's measuring yardstick when there is no time for research, history, philosophy, psychology or self-instruction?

What am I actually being told? Who is telling me? What and whose purpose does it truly serve?

I can assure any person, Swede or otherwise that the common bond they face with another human halfway around the globe is closer than with those that stand above, legally disempowering, feeding, ordering, taking and controlling.

If you seek honesty and servitude from your state, justice from your law or fairness from your bank and corporation; you will end empty handed and confused, both you and I.

And so, not yet as Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain or other central European or global countries? Of course not, not yet. Are you feeling the screws tighten, prices going up, costs going up, slight rise in inflation, drop in house prices and a state that wants to push closer to the dreaded monster that is the EC of collectivism by and for un voted Bilderberg cronies, without approval or consent.

History is repeating, but not on television.

Finally, make a mental note of news items where comment sections are disabled….very interesting. In the current case; Sweden is simply solidifying its affiliations and the case will play its minor tragedy upon the stage…look over here and not over there. The lawyers and courst take their pound of flesh and protest about law. We may not be so educated and we are neither so naive.
18:15 December 16, 2010 by procrustes
Jonso--I suggest reading the "Fourth Turning" if you have not--it is a masterful analysis of history that sets a model of how history repeats.

What's really sad is that in Sweden there is a news blackout on the Wikileaks subject. At large Swedes do not know what their government is doing and how outraged the world is about it.

Ignorant bliss.
18:39 December 16, 2010 by unseen
@ skatty,

LOL, i liked it.
18:41 December 16, 2010 by chemist007
He is in prison just because of political issues. I rally like the way that he exposed the real face of America. American always interferes in the matters of other countries. Assange should be awarded Nobel Prize.
18:55 December 16, 2010 by Nilspet
@ procrustes #14

It seems to be that way, unfortunately. For example SVT reports only what it wants Swedish people to hear (not the whole truth). So you are right, it is sad !
19:01 December 16, 2010 by Jimmy
Just listening to BBC outside the court. It is being reported that the Swedish are stating that they do not oppose bail. The British are are saying they oppose bail on request of then Swedes. mmmmmmmmmmm

In court stated that the British prosecution is there representing their Swedish counterparts against bail being granted.

Me thinks that the Swedish ideology of " No I didn't, I don't care what you have as proof. "

Numbnut Swedish system finally being shown to the real world for what it is. And they are doing it to themselves
20:12 December 16, 2010 by hjoian
im surprised about this news blackout. Im back in UK andf its all over the news, yet another eye opener about the untrustworthy Swedish state.
20:34 December 16, 2010 by eddie123
was the sleeping girl drugged? i don't understand this charge of having sex with a sleeping girl. how come she didn't wake up when assange made initial contact? some things just don't make sense to me.
20:43 December 16, 2010 by Aureliano Buendia
stupid feminists, die in this boring country!

2. Sweden is the puppet of USA, the fact your feminist brains still do not understand. Have a nice sex with the only alternative in sweden: rsfu
20:54 December 16, 2010 by Nilspet
@ eddie123

Right, a lot of things just do not make sense about this case! Even Assange's lawyer has talked about "twists and turns" that his legal team was facing all the way ...

For more info about the temporary release, check this out:

21:28 December 16, 2010 by Aureliano Buendia
stop this comedy everyone, you are so funny, you are even more blind than moslems. in the name of feminism you believe in this fabricated bullshit. shame on you, Sweden!
21:48 December 16, 2010 by Xris Hannah
I really can't even begin to guess what is happening on the Swedish side of this debacle; albeit seems a lil weird the sleeping girl didn't wake up, turn around, smack him in his WikiJewels and kick him out into the street (if she was really that offended by his behaviour?)

Regardless, very little of the truth of the hows and whys can be divined from the amount of confusion the various international media houses are currently generating. The whole Swedish/ALLEGED sexual-assault (note, NOT rape) charges thing makes as much sense as the UK trying to keep him in custody for as long as they possibly can.... for Sweden or the egg-faced US to get their hands on him?

I'm an ex-pat Brit living in Sweden, whilst one of the first things to hit me about Sweden is it's protection of it's peoples dignity and their rights regarding freedom of information; whilst this is almost like something from a Stig Larson novel.

Things are not always what they seem...
21:55 December 16, 2010 by iona
procrustes you are right. The whole thing is political to frighten anyone else who may have embarrassing information. Wilkileaks is a breath of fresh air. America has sunk to its lowest level.
21:56 December 16, 2010 by sgt_doom
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
22:02 December 16, 2010 by iona
Only the American people were surprised by the exposures by Wikileaks. Everyone else in the world, that could think straight, new the truths of these exposures. Even the new York Times editorial staff were part of prosecuting Assange.
22:07 December 16, 2010 by Hedley

Of course rape is the very WRONG THING that I DO NOT defend!

-However, men are MORE VULNERABLE TO false rape accusations than women to actual rape!

Do you like that your father or your brother be involved in a false rape accusation? Do you know that will happen to HIM once he is accused, but not PROVEN GUILTY: he will be jailed UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT?

Do you REALLY think that Assange came to Sweden in order to rape 2 women, knowing the issue that his "journalistic" works are really doing?

In my country we say "If I believed he DID RAPE, then I am suckling my thumb!"
22:09 December 16, 2010 by Xris Hannah
@ iona

Absolutely... American political terrorism in it's basest form. The irony is, if the US had just emulated all previous guilty parties having been 'caught out' (ouch!) and just say nothing, apart from pleading ignorance... it would NOT have gone away overnight, but would certainly have become somewhat more diluted than it's current pan-political mess.

Instead they've decided to use their self-perceived weight to bully Europe into handing him over for treason and/or execution. Of course, even many school children can tell you it's not treason if he's not an American.

Also, HE did not steal the information (an American did THAT). He simply reported to the world (in the best journalistic spirit), what dark a**ed cousins the Americans really are.

He's a hero, regardless of his motives; political, personal or otherwise... IMO
22:49 December 16, 2010 by creamy
I think they both had an orgasm your honor! Here i come sleepy head. "No wait Give me head first." o.k. "No wait 69 I want to kiss it." o.k. "O.M.G. it's turning purple!" "It was the wine my little lickdish.......
22:49 December 16, 2010 by Nemesis
The circus continues.

We really need to bring back spitting image to make a complete mockery of this whole thing.
22:49 December 16, 2010 by Toonie
Well done The Local for pointing out that the British prosecuting authorities are acting on behalf of the Swedish authorities as they are obliged to do.. The Swedish press seem to be denying that the Swedes are driving this process. See the following from the BBC


Also an excellent article on how the European Arrest Warrant, designed to detain serious terrorists and criminals is being widely used in trivial cases across the EU. One of the results of the Assange case may be that some countries may reconsider the EAW. See article.

23:09 December 16, 2010 by creamy
British prosecuting authorities are probably the same group who sent the bomber. B.P. is furious over American lawsuit while "nice people are lining up to run "legitimate operations" i.e, Open leaks. The message is- Terrorism is real and we live it. .....now u r living it too. Join with us. Sweden needs to be vigilant and continue to be the motherland she has always been.
23:19 December 16, 2010 by Ian C. Purdie - Sydney
I find it interesting to learn here that this story is not being widely reported in Sweden.

I wondered why the people of Sweden weren't up in arms over their good name being dragged down by this high farce. Even Monthy Python couldn't have invented this story.

For heavans sake Sweden, simply have someone jump on a plane, fly to England, interview the fellow and be done with the whole thing in a matter of hours. That way Sweden may be able to salvage something of her reputation.
23:26 December 16, 2010 by Xris Hannah
@ Ian C. Purdie - Sydney

"For heavans sake Sweden, simply have someone jump on a plane, fly to England, interview the fellow and be done with the whole thing in a matter of hours. That way Sweden may be able to salvage something of her reputation."

Got it in one Ian... would solve a lot of complications and speculation regarding Sweden's part in this farce. Nothing better than Chinese Whispers getting things anywhere from mildly to completely wrong...
23:30 December 16, 2010 by PaulPC
eddie123 says: 'how come she didn't wake up when assange made initial contact? some things just don't make sense to me."

Oh, she woke up all right, it's called sleepy sex, not rape. Made breakfast for him afterwards and then paid his fare back home. It only became an issue when she discovered she was not the 'only one'. How dare he sleep with another woman!
23:37 December 16, 2010 by coincidenses abound
A Swedish woman once attempted to have sex with me while I was asleep (in London) . Can I have her arrested and extradited?
00:02 December 17, 2010 by RogerHGreen
From a Canadian: I am dismayed by Sweden's attitude re. Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. If he violates Swedish law then prosecute him by all means, but he hasn't been charged with anything! He was charged, then it was dropped and he was free to travel, then Sweden wanted to extradite him. What is the excuse for this? Either incompetence or political pressure I would guess. The last straw was the announcement by Swedish prosecutors that they would appeal a British court's granting of bail to Mr. Assange. That was not a matter of allowing the judicial process to go forward, rather that was a discretionary pursuit tactic bordering on persecution. One has to wonder, as many have, what was the reason. And whose reason was it, eh? Surely it was best left to the British court to judge whether Mr. Assange should be granted bail. Today's news that the British High Court has granted him bail is welcome. Thank God there is some justice somewhere. Sweden requested Mr. Assange's extradition (to question him about not using a condom?!) and surely that was the end of Sweden's business re. the matter until/unless he is returned to Sweden, which I hope he isn't.
00:11 December 17, 2010 by PaulPC
coincidenses says:"A Swedish woman once attempted to have sex with me while I was asleep (in London) . Can I have her arrested and extradited?"

You should be so lucky!
00:38 December 17, 2010 by mojofat
It's so entertaining to read all of the US haters out there twist every conceivable shred in order to create the "great conspiracy". So, while Assange allegedly committed these crimes in Sweden, was jailed in the UK, and there is still no warrant or indictment issued in the US, it's clearly the work of the great US puppet master who is controlling all of these things. I'm amazed that so many people think the US government is that competent!

It's not at all possible that Assange took advantage of these women and, at least one of them, seems to have over-reacted (b/c, let's face it: there's "rape" and then there's using a woman for consensual sex who then realizes she was used...not very pretty or noble, but not what most men or women that I know would classify as "rape").

BTW you american haters, the person who really deserves all of the "credit" for this isn't Assange...he didn't do anything except install a wiki on a server. It's actually Bradley Manning, who's been locked up for the past 7 months, who did all the work. An american soldier. While I find Assange an interesting character, he's clearly a narcissist who's enjoying this massive global ego stroking while never giving due credit to his source. All of the sheep jumping on the Assange bandwagon have no stomach for critical and objective thinking, he's just a poster boy of the month for your virulent and chauvinistic anti-americanism. In 50 years when China is the lone super power you're going to tell your grandchildren about the good old days.
02:11 December 17, 2010 by Toonie

This isn't about America haters. This is about the future of accountability and democracy. The US govt made a major mistake in allowing 3 million citizens access to the material leaked by Assange's organisation and then expecting no one to leak any of it. Governments leak all the time. It's just that they are telling you what they want you to hear. Seen anybody go to jail for that recently?

Take one example. In the UK we now know that a senior individual in UK banking told representatives of the US govt that a major British bank broke fiduciary rules when it took over a Dutch bank, one of the major causes of bank failure in the UK. What we are furious about is that a British banker felt it appropriate to give his honest opinion to representatives of a foreign govt, but not express the same views in his home country. As taxpayers who bailed out those banks, we need to know that information now, not in 50 years' time. This isn't about national security. This is about untouchable classes of people covering for each other and taking the rest of us for mugs.

Wikileaks may not be the answer, but it's an improvement on selective leaks by governments. And your point about Bradley Manning is flawed. All the people involved in this battle, including many Americans and Swedes, should take the credit, if they achieve something better than we have now. The trick is to identify and flush out crypto-fascist, anti-democratic elements everywhere.

Finally, I think you'll find that the Chinese govt is more frightened of the Chinese that western govts are.
02:17 December 17, 2010 by harrylatour
Why should it be assumed that just because Assange portrays himself as a ''Robin Hood'' and exposes governments thoughout the World that ''he must be innocent''.Ever heard of Profumo,Glitter,Clinton,,,and of course many more.Me,,i will wait for the evidence!!
02:32 December 17, 2010 by Toonie
i will wait for the evidence!!

I hope that's not an example of Swedish legal expertise. Profumo, Clinton, Glitter were all very different cases.

In terms of the quality of Swedish evidence gathering and legal process I suggest the cases you need to think about are those of Peter Bratt and Tito Beltran.
03:07 December 17, 2010 by ghostof911
Is this news being published in the Swedish press?

The FBI has sent a "small team of experts" to assist Swedish authorities in the investigation into Saturday's botched suicide bombing in Stockholm, FoxNews.com has learned.


Very convenient for an FBI team to be in Sweden should Assange be returned there.

Also about the weekend blast, wouldn't a knowledgeable "terrorist" use a remotely controlled device instead of blowing himself up? Just saying.
04:36 December 17, 2010 by True North
I'm sorry to have to say this but right now Sweden is the laughing stock of the world over this Assange case. Your government is out of control and making fools of you.

I have been to Sweden three times but will never go there again. Who in their right mind would go on vacation to a country that would extradite you solely on the basis of an allegation? The Swedish government's behavior reminds me of Berlin in the 1930's, i'm sad to say. We are going to Norway instead.

Shame, Sweden, shame on you!
05:43 December 17, 2010 by ghostof911
True North, Ouch!

What is most galling is the fact that while Assange was in Sweden, the prosecutor dropped the case against him. After he was given permission to leave the country, a new prosecutor reopened the case. That is double jeopardy which is impermissible in most civilized countries of the world.
08:10 December 17, 2010 by lgb
I never realised that Sweden was a puppet state of the USA.

Who was the mystery politician that insisted this be reopened and WHY?

The legal system should be free of political influence.In Sweden it obviuosly isn't especially if the USA wants something.

How far can Sweden (metaphorically) "Bend Over"?
08:24 December 17, 2010 by Nomark
I'm even more confused than normal.

I must have missed the bit when people put forward evidence that the USA is behind this ? Can someone please supply that evidence ?

Another question which has cropped up a few times here and for which a satisfactory response has yet to be provided concerns Wikileaks' backers. Who bankrolls this organisation ? Wikileaks has set itself up, with quite some success, as the world's watchdog. If Wikileaks is to insist on arbitrary levels of disclosure regarding the Iraqi war logs and diplomatic cables (even to the extent of endangering innocent people's lives) then its not unreasonable to ask who is behind Wikileaks. To satisfy myself that the organisation is about openness for all, and not just the USA, can someone point me in the direction of the donor list and minutes of meetings when decisions were made regarding the selection of classified information to be released ? In particular, I'd like to read about the discussions regarding the redaction policy since this policy can lead to the death of innocent people. In the absence of minutes, e-mails are fine - Wikileaks likes to release other people's e-mails so I assume this is ok.

All I want is the truth and a consistent approach to openness. Surely its not too much to ask for from an organisation dedicated to openness and the truth.
08:44 December 17, 2010 by Kevin Harris
To the Swedes reading this.

Your media is censored.

Your politicians use the criminal law to persecute their enemies for political ends.

Your sexual offences law virtually criminalises consensual sex.

Is this really the kind of country you want to live in? If not, do something.
09:14 December 17, 2010 by Texrusso
Marianne NY is incompetent and should resign. Imagine wasting my tax payers money to fight and pay legal fees against an already granted bail with all stringent conditions.
09:53 December 17, 2010 by Nomark

The bail appeal was made by the UK authorities - they do this as a matter of routine and it had nothing to do with Sweden or Ny. Calling on her to resign because of this is a little silly.
12:30 December 17, 2010 by leiiel
Who's paying the Swedish lawyers, etc. involved in this affair??? How much of our tax money is involved? If our taxes are being used to pursue Assange for alleged sex crimes, then every person in Sweden who is accused of a sex crime should be pursued with this same gusto, eller?! I am not saying that Assange is guilty. But based on the Swedish handling of this matter, the implications are that women who are (allegedly) assaulted by celebrities are helped while women who are (allegedly) assaulted by nobodies get little help, by comparison. And really, shouldn't some attention be focused on the poor (alleged) victims here? Is the warm, fuzzy, caring Swedish healthcare system helping them recover from the horrible ordeal that they've suffered? Are they getting the care they need? Are their familjeläkares allowing them to see a psychiatrist for counseling? Are they on a waiting list to get help? When does Sweden ever give a d%#m about the health and wellbeing of its taxpayers? Never. This scandal is obviously serving some government agenda. Otherwise, no one would ever give a d%#m about these two women... Wake up people, the Swedish government cares about how much money they can steal from you. The Swedish government does not care about you. You are a tool to be used and nothing more.
13:31 December 17, 2010 by actuary
Well harrylatour: those, Clinton etc., whom you mention did not rape anybody:did they? So, what is your point? Is it that they would be considered rapists if they lived in Sweden? Or, is it just a case of fuzzy thinking on your part?
14:19 December 17, 2010 by coincidenses abound
It may also be possible to say that the same Swedish woman also technically 'raped' me one morning when she pushed open a hotel room door and threw me on the bed before committing a sexual act. I was dazed and hungover and before I knew what was going on it was too late - I was caught with my pants down. If I had complained to the police they probably would have given me a good talking to and told me the meaning of the birds and the bees - but then I had not annoyed any powerful people at that time. As it is now, I enjoyed it so I'm thinking of having her extradited so that we can do a reconstruction in court. Okay, joking in seriousness apart - one of the main issues seems to be the double standards shown by the requested extradition of a man who is publicly known and known to have angered many in high places - versus- extradition chances for similar crimes with people of unsimilar circumstances and situations.

I agree that Wikipedia has taken a leap too far in publishing 'state secrets' without taking into account the ramifications of doing so on long term policy and possibly in some cases national security, operational security and personal security. Free speech is not and should not be the same thing as freedom to divulge other's secrets without fear of reprisal. Free speech is and should be about being able to express one's opinions, beliefs and complaints. Wikileaks has gone beyond ethical reasoning in regards to free speech on many occasion - without counting the costs to innocent others - a cost they possibly can't know without having (for example) the complete staff lists of all secret service organisations and locations of their agents and also all those new stars carved on the CIA memorials of the future.

The saddest thing - in respect to the notion of the ideal of justice - is that at least one (and more than likely two) nation states are twisting and exploiting their access to the wheels of justice by using what seems to be a false excuse to punish.

If whoever it may concern can be bothered to put a case together to extradite the man on the charges they really want him for (endangering human life/ endangering operational security/ etc) it would be a better day for Justice.

Disclaimer: This was written without knowing the full facts concerning the rape allegations - what I mean to say is - she may have thought I was someone else.
17:28 December 17, 2010 by J Jack
@ coincidenses abound, Wikipedia is not Wikileaks.
19:23 December 17, 2010 by coincidenses abound
my apologies (especially to Wikipedia) . Absent minded typo error.
23:45 December 17, 2010 by harrylatour

You missed the significance of my ''Rodin Hood'' and rape,,,of course not,,i just meant general sexual abuse (of power in Clintons case!!)
09:12 December 18, 2010 by cmbsweden
I said much the same as I am about to here in another comment section:

I don't have to make a judgement on whether Assange is good or bad, right or wrong in publishing leaked documents nor do I have to make a judgement on whether he is guilty or innocent of that which he is accused of by Sweden, NOR do I have to make a judgement on the validity of the women's claims against him to see that the process that has unfolded smacks of some type of external pressure on the Swedish prosecutors who issued the Interpol warrant for his detainment.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is most likely a frakkin duck.

They are mutually exclusive issues all.
20:01 December 18, 2010 by mojofat
Assange and his UK lawyer have been lying when they said they had not seen the charges against them.

And now those police documents have finally leaked (ironic, no?). The guardian has a good write up on them here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden

Correlation is not causation. Just because Assange rattled some powerful cages does not mean he did not have unprotected sex with these two women against their will. If you're fortunate enough to find a woman to have sex with and she requests you to wear a condom, you damn well should do it. And if you don't and all she asks is that you take an STD test to put her mind at ease, then do it. What a narcissist!

The Guardian/CIA conspiracy theories can now begin in..3..2..1...
20:15 December 18, 2010 by sgt_doom
From the site below we find an interesting fact:


"In 2008 and 2009, the Federal Reserve functioned as the central bank for the entire world. Documents pried from the Federal Reserve in November show that dozens of foreign banks and an astonishing number of foreign governments lined up to get handouts from the Fed, who kept its client list a deeply protected secret. The recipients included most of Europe's major banks: Barclay's Bank, Bank of Scotland, RBS, Societe Generale, Dresdner Bank, Bayerische Landesbank, and Dexia. Also on the list are the central banks of Australia, Denmark, Mexico, Norway, Switzerland, SWEDEN, South Korea, Britain, and Japan."
23:59 December 18, 2010 by swedishjusticeisajoke
A woman that is obsessively jealous, had the 'worst sex ever', had him in her bed for six days, tweeted about how wonderful it was [then deleted them],went to a tabloid newspaper to make money and thinks a condom might have broken!

Another woman with an STD phobia that met him and sucked him off in the cinema that night. Took him home and he fell asleep when he didn't want to use a condom [apparently] She then got sick of telling him to use a condom, so let him shag her without! That sounds like a rapist, yeah right. Then she was 'HALF' asleep [whatever that is? tired?] and came too with him in full penetration? What is she? the channel tunnel? Then spent days obsessively calling him to have a STD check, which he agreed to [unbelievable] got together with the jealous lunatic and went to the tabloids at the same time as American politicians are calling for him to be executed. If getting fruity in bed with someone still asleep is rape, then my two marriages and the relationships render us all rapists. Absurd.

Prosecutors that stated there was no case to answer. Weeks in Sweden, allowed to leave. A right wing politician gets involved, finds a provincial prosecutor, wikileaks is published and now this?

What has happened to Sweden? Bring back your parents and a time when the world respected you.
10:57 December 19, 2010 by raandy
swedishjusticeajoke...I agree!!!! well said
14:35 December 19, 2010 by Luuke
Oh u Swedes ....Don't u know the fun thats being poked at u ??
19:09 December 28, 2010 by buckrogersday
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