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Swedish accusers in 'tizzy' for STDs: Assange

AFP/The Local · 21 Dec 2010, 11:45

Published: 21 Dec 2010 11:45 GMT+01:00

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Assange told the BBC that one account of what happened in August -- the month at the centre of allegations against him -- was that the two women had panicked when they found out they had both slept with him and went to police, who "bamboozled" them.

He insisted he was fighting a Swedish extradition warrant because he believes "no natural justice" would occur in Sweden.

"There are some serious problems with the Swedish prosecution," he said in an interview from the mansion of a wealthy supporter in eastern England where he must stay as part of his bail conditions.

Sweden wants Britain to extradite the 39-year-old Australian to face questioning over allegations from two women that he raped one of them and sexually assaulted the other in Stockholm in August.

Assange claimed that the Swedish authorities had asked that his Swedish lawyer be "gagged," adding that his offers to be interviewed by video link or by Swedish officials in Britain had been rejected.

"I don't need to be at the beck and call of people making allegations. I don't need to go back to Sweden. The law says I...have certain rights and these rights mean that I do not need to speak to random prosecutors around the world who simply want to have a chat and won't do it in any other standard way," he said.

He said that one account of what occurred in August was that after having discovered they had each had sex with him, they had got into a "tizzy," or a panic, about the possibility of sexually transmitted diseases.

As a result, he said, the women had gone to the police for advice "and then the police jumped in on this and bamboozled the women."

WikiLeaks has enraged Washington by releasing thousands of US diplomatic cables and US Vice President Joe Biden described Assange as a "hi-tech terrorist." US officials are believed to be considering how to indict Assange for espionage.

In an interview with The Times on Tuesday, Assange compared WikiLeaks' "persecution" to that endured by Jews in the US in the 1950s.

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Assange also confirmed that WikiLeaks was holding a vast amount of material about Bank of America that it intends to release early next year.

"We don't want the bank to suffer unless it's called for. But if its management is operating in a responsive way there will be resignations," he told The Times, without giving details about the material.

Shares in Bank of America have fallen amid speculation that it was a WikiLeaks target.

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11:52 December 21, 2010 by rob582
At last an admission that he was with these women. Now he should come back over here and face his accusers.
12:06 December 21, 2010 by Luckystrike

Have you just come out of a coma? :) It's always been public that these two dogs got a consensual humping from Julian.
12:17 December 21, 2010 by chokes
@rob582 wrote "face his accusers".

As I understand Swedish Law, the ladies in question only made "inquiries" with the police. They did not, in fact, make any accusation.

The only accuser is Ms Ny, who is likely to be disciplined or perhaps prosecuted for not complying with EU law in respect to the unwarranted issue of the ridiculous Interpol Warrant.

Her handling of this affair has brought the Swedish Legal System into disrepute internationally.
12:17 December 21, 2010 by eddie123
haha... this julian is quite the funny dude... granting too many interviews on this subject will eventually hurt him in the long wrong... prosecutors should be happy that he mentions the case every now and then... it makes their job a lot easier.
12:29 December 21, 2010 by farnoxo
am just sick of Assange pontificating and whining that everything and everyone is a conspiracy against him. He sounds just a little too defensive and paranoid (guilty?), despite his gargantuan ego. if he is "innocent" then why is he so scared to come to Sweden to face the judicial process. His notions that the Swedish case against him is some massive USA-lead conspiracy is smack of desperation and the press that play up to this "conspiracy theory" clearly have little or no idea of how the Swedish justice system work.

I wish this irritating, self-important little rodent would shut up and go away ... on the other hand, he can leave Wikileaks for grand entertainment over the last few months - I mean who would have thought that diplomats could speak honestly about their thoughts and impressions of foreign counterparts - d'oh!
12:34 December 21, 2010 by Strongbow
It might take a while until Julian puts his shrimp into another Barbie again.
12:36 December 21, 2010 by Luckystrike

Instead of commenting and making yourself look like a complete idiot, try educating yourself first. lol
12:42 December 21, 2010 by mojofat
Classic! Why would any woman worry about contracting STDs from having unprotected sex with who knows whom all over the third-world? His use of the word "tizzy" clearly shows his complete disregard for these women. He should just come out and call them sperm receptacles.

He is incapable of handling his new found fame. The first second he tasted it he began exploiting it...it must be a serious cognitive blow to realize that he isn't an untouchable golden boy.

"He insisted he was fighting a Swedish extradition warrant because he believes "no natural justice" would occur in Sweden." --Well, that's not quite in Assange's purvey to decide, now is it. Many a criminal has said the same thing, but that's why we have a legal system.

BTW, I fully support the release of any documents that show wrong doing by BOA. Those slimy idiots need to be brought to justice. That being said, any good that the wikileaks organization performs does not exonerate its members, or its mascot in chief, from galavanting all over the world riding bareback with whomever they choose.
12:46 December 21, 2010 by cogito
"Assange compared WikiLeaks' "persecution" to that endured by Jews ..."

Waaa,waaa, he whines: he's a martyr, he's a victim. The poor baby has been hoisted by his own petard. The only victimhood he suffers is from his own delusions of grandeur.
12:47 December 21, 2010 by JulieLou40
He's a grubby little man with a way too big mouth. Oh yeah, that's the word I was looking for: S*** stirrer".
13:16 December 21, 2010 by PurpleMelbourne
Speaking as an Australian (in Australia) I will try and give you a little bit of explanation of how we think / talk.


Tizzy. Not derogatory. I'd say that about myself if I were freaked out by something. Its not a big deal to say that.

As for being extradited to Sweden when the US government is making threats against me... it all seems a bit coincidental don't you think? Only a moron would be unafraid about being handed over to the yanks either as soon as he lands in Sweden or after he's answered some questions... "oh and now here are some gentleman from the US embassy that would like to speak with you on your courtesy flight out of Sweden..."
13:24 December 21, 2010 by Nilspet
Like many people already said it is the "old" Ny who is tarnishing Sweden's good image. She turned everything into chaos like the air traffic chaos in Europe right now. Come on .. if the case was once dropped you must "present" stronger evidence(s) before you can formally demand someone to be questioned. "Stronger" evidences must be presented to the English court otherwise I see no reason why they should hand him over to Sweden. Perhaps someone "needs" time to make up extra pieces of evidence to present to the UK judges?

What a saga!
13:40 December 21, 2010 by svenskamerikansk
This mousy little weasel of a man sure is a piece of work. But one really has to wonder about these women. They seem a card or two short of a full deck for even looking at this narcissistic dweeb in the first place.
13:42 December 21, 2010 by philster61
When it comes to accusations of rape.In Sweden there is no justice. Just procedure. He is already guilty in the eyes of Swedish"justice". When you have a person in the guise of "crazy" Claes Borgstrom as lawyer for the plaintiff,you can expect to be the subject of a manhunt. Borgstrom is a "man" who believes that men are natural rapists just because they are men.

Whatever Swedes may say about their system of equality, don't believe a word of it. It is all overruled by procedure and puritanism. And desperate need to "make and example" of suspects of sexual accusations. Julian Assange can take STD tests in the UK can he not? The results would be the same. What he probably fears is due to lax personal security. (Remember, Sweden officially has the highest rate of political assassination) and most likely fears for his life. Interesting to note that he was denied a residence permit for Sweden. And now they are up in arms about him being in the UK? When they could have dealt with it by giving him residence..
13:47 December 21, 2010 by mojofat

Yes, maybe you're right...maybe there is a difference in how that word is perceived down under versus here. Most people would use that word in such a way as to downplay the event, or trivialize it. In Assange's statements, it certainly comes across that he is attempting to trivialize the concerns of these women...imo.

"As for being extradited to Sweden when the US government is making threats against me... it all seems a bit coincidental don't you think?"

Yes, if you mean by "coincidental" the literal meaning of the word. I believe the greater threat lies in him being extradited out of the UK. The UK and US have a much stronger alliance and have already extradited wanted people to one another many times. If the US wanted Assange they certainly do not need to use Sweden as some brokering agent, especially not with him in the UK.
13:53 December 21, 2010 by asquil
No respect for the law, no respect for women, no respect for the society, no respect for himself...Of what use is his secret disclosures.

Simply put, these are show of display of irresponsible behaviour by Ass-ange. He can't even handle his own filthy secrets/dirty actions, yet he poses as a defender of society's truth. A Devil calling the govt Satan.

It bewilders me to see how these stupid people always think they can take many educated intelligent people for a stupid ride.

Enjoy the fake show.
13:54 December 21, 2010 by philster61
mojfat. The difference between the UK and Sweden extradition is the UK will 100% refuse on the grounds that the US has the death penalty. Which is being called for by some important politicians. Among them Sarah Palin. Since Assange is also a citizen of the Commonwealth it is unlikely the UK will budge on this. Whereas Sweden will refuse at first but eventually cave in. Sweden will try to avoid any confrontation with the US and the US knows it can lean upon Sweden much easier than the UK
13:58 December 21, 2010 by Nomark
In an interview with The Times on Tuesday, Assange compared WikiLeaks' "persecution" to that endured by Jews in the US in the 1950s.

He isn't helping himself.
13:59 December 21, 2010 by RobinHood
It's way past time for the prosecutors to get this case on the road. If Ms My has enough evidence to charge Assange, then she should do so. If she needs to interview him, she knows where he is, she can go interview him; if he wants to answer her questions that is. If she is not prepared to charge him, or interview him, she should drop the case, in the usual way when there is not enough evidence to pursue it.

Assange is costing the UK tax payer a large amount of money; if this really is all about an interview (as Ms Ny says it is in her arrest warrant), then get on with it please Ms Ny.

An English judge has already expressed his concern about the handling of this prosection. He won't be impressed by any more of Ms Ny's shenanigans.
14:03 December 21, 2010 by philster61
Robinhood. He isn't costing the UK taxpayer anything. He is being provided for privately.
14:08 December 21, 2010 by bob3000

I have to agree with you.

All of this talk about extradition from Sweden makes no logical sense. It seems overly convoluted and time consuming.

Given the historical 'special' relationship between the UK and the US - if you wanted to avoid a US extradition, the UK is perhaps not a wise choice.

I have to presume in this case that Assange must really want to avoid Sweden. If you subtract the extradition fear....what are we left with?.....Rape.
14:24 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
Well, seriously the Swedish judicial system is a mess without a jury. The lawyers are a bunch of newscasters in the court of law and can hardly fight for you. Doesn't really matter much what your lawyer says in court, prosecutors rules the day and the Judge has the right to decide. The law can be manipulated and interpreted however it suits them. Finland is even the worst!! Judicial system in Finland is the worst of all in all scandinavian system. The Finnish police can use whatever they want to hold an accused in detention as long as they want. Sometimes under solitary confirment even in police cells as long as they want, ganged up with prosecutors. And if you are a foreigner in Finland and have a case with the system, be sure they are there to persecute you and not prosecute. All that glitters are not gold.. you see these countries especially Finland preaching to be shinning lights of democratic states are just on the surface. Look in side, you see a judicial system that is run by the mafias called Judges. Until you taste the bitter pills of these wicked maceneries who will not fail at any light chance to abuse their powers, you will never know.
14:25 December 21, 2010 by Luckystrike
Did none of you read the diplomatic cable about Sweden doing "informal" intelligence work with the US to avoid getting the parliament involved, which should approve any co-op with another country........??? The UK is a much better place to be that Sweden in terms of being protected against those war mongering, smelly fat yank officials.
14:27 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
Well, seriously the Swedish judicial system is a mess without a jury. The lawyers are a bunch of newscasters in the court of law and can hardly fight for you. Doesn't really matter much what your lawyer says in court, prosecutors rules the day and the Judge has the right to decide. The law can be manipulated and interpreted however it suits them. Finland is even the worst! Judicial system in Finland is the worst of all in all scandinavian system. The Finnish police can use whatever they want to hold an accused in detention as long as they want. Sometimes under solitary confirment even in police cells as long as they want, ganged up with prosecutors. And if you are a foreigner in Finland and have a case with the system, be sure they are there to persecute you and not prosecute. All that glitters are not gold.. you see these countries especially Finland preaching to be shinning lights of democratic states are just on the surface. Look in side, you see a judicial system that is run by the mafias called Judges. Until you taste the bitter pills of these wicked maceneries who will not fail at any light chance to abuse their powers, you will never know.
14:43 December 21, 2010 by digitalamish
@ rob582

"At last an admission that he was with these women. Now he should come back over here and face his accusers. "

Where have you been?! He admitted that he was with these women from the beginning

and has always claimed that he had a consensual sex with them...
14:50 December 21, 2010 by bob3000

forget informal.

Are you aware of the formal and long term co-operation and joint operations the UK & US have carried out - long before 1946 when Winston Churchill used the phrase "Special Relationship".

wiki says, "The United States is the largest source of foreign direct investment to the British economy; likewise the United Kingdom is the largest single investor in the US economy."

A brief google shows that in Sweden - the UK is a bigger investor than the US.

I'm having trouble seeing how the UK is not more pro-US than Sweden.



"important politicians. Among them Sarah Palin."

- My colleague laughed so much, he has gone home early with a suspected hernia.


Today's Dolt comment.
14:51 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
In addition, there is no bail in Swedish, Finnish or any Scandinavian judicial system. They can keep you in Jail as long as they want pending trial. At the end of the trial, if there is a chance that you are innocent, they will interprete the law in ways that suits them and find you guilty to avoid paying compensation to you for holding you in jail unjustly. There is nothing you can do but file for appeal which will takes years and years from high court to supreme court until you get frustrated and quit. So my appeal to Julian Assange, DON'T COME TO SWEDEN! fight this extradiction! The judicial system here is a mockery, the worst ever cover up authoritarian system I have ever seen under the disguise of a democratic state.
15:02 December 21, 2010 by Rolf100
Why would the US want him? Last I checked; embarrassing someone is not a crime. If there is proof that his "leaks" created information that physically harmed a person; that would be different.

Question - how did he get the information? Was it hacking or did a private in the US Army provide it for him? If it was hacking; then some minor criminal charges may apply but if the information was provided; then the first amendment right of free press kicks in and there are no penalties.
15:04 December 21, 2010 by ehwhat?
So, instead of it being a vast conspiracy to attack this individual it was his flagrant failure to follow the wishes of his sexual partners. Rape is defined as sex without consent. Requiring a condom as a condition for sex is very reasonable. Not doing so removes consent. This is true in every EU country and most of the West. Assange's own staff have said that he engages in casual sex at every opportunity. AIDS hasn't gone away. Syphilis has made a strong return. Chlamydia is an epidemic with strong links to uterine cancers. The women's concerns are valid.

Assange apparently thinks he is bullet proof from STDs. If all he had to do to make this go away was to have a blood test for STDs he should have done so. His comments to the press refusing to accede to this wish demonstrates a complete disregard and lack of empathy for the women he uses and puts at risk. Wrapping himself in the "flag" of WikiLeaks demeans that groups efforts.

And just to remind people, no means no. Having sex once does not guarantee the right to have sex again. WikiLeaks insists that no government is above scrutiny or the law, a point that I am in full agreement with. Neither is Assange. Assange has admitted the basics of the case in print. He needs to answer the clearly legitimate charges in court. Assange is rapidly proving himself to be a narcissistic, self-aggrandizing, womanizing piece of fecal matter.

How very disappointing.
15:06 December 21, 2010 by babychuma
Persecution of the Jews in the 1950's? does anyone know what the heck he's talking about?
15:06 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
@Rolf100; Democracy and justice is only applicable when it suits the states. Its the modern day justice. They want us all to be the same. You get a profession, get a job, do 9 to 5pm every day, go home and chill out and live quietly. If you are not happy with the government, you wait for election day and cast your vote for change. Anything other than this, try fighting against the system openly or even share your opinion openly, you may become an enemy to the state or even to your neighbours. You must not do anything legally possible to critize the state and that is the new model of democracy.
15:09 December 21, 2010 by Raiha
Farnoxo #5 writes: "He sounds just a little too defensive and paranoid (guilty?)"

Yes, that would have nothing to do with the death threats uttered against him by various elected officials of the US government. They've also branded him a 'terrorist' and you know how the US treats suspected terrorists: Torture, solitary confinement, held with no respect to human rights and the Geneva convention. Three recent examples to ponder: Afghanistan and Iraq where the directive was to interrogate as many locals as possible to fulfil Bush's quota. Every boy over 5 feet was fair game. That would've slated my 11 year old son as a suspected terrorist to be dragged from my home at gunpoint, disappeared to prison, and tortured. Then there's Guantanamo Bay. It's not North Korea, or China, or Iran that want his head, it's the biggest sanctioned murderous organisation in the world: the US.

Strongbow #6 writes: It might take a while until Julian puts his shrimp into another Barbie again.

For christ's sake man. Nobody says "shrimp" in Australia. No-one. That is a stupid americanism, a false perception of Australia. We eat prawns mate. Shrimps are for wimps.
15:15 December 21, 2010 by OnessOfMankind
This nonsense should stop...instead start bringing out the real reasons why do you guys want him in..

Say frankly the big bully is pressuring us MATE...MATE ...MATE ...MATE... lol
15:20 December 21, 2010 by Swedesmith
Save the taxpayers some money. Leave Assange in the UK, but ship his penis over to Sweden to be examined for STDs. If it's clean, it can be shipped back.
15:38 December 21, 2010 by sneal
haha @ Swedesmith!
15:47 December 21, 2010 by Nemesis

Good idea.

Would love to see someone propose that in court:)
15:47 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
Yes, they will remand you in custody in Sweden even for nothing and they will use flimpsy excuses like he will abscorn or evade justice. Even in well known minor cases that will not yield anthing but fine oe non guilty verdict, the Prosecutors and police will gang up and say a man who has a permanent job, home, and family in a country will run and leave the country for a charge that will not amount to anything less than a fine (in the worst case) or even not guilty. The Judge will look you in the face and tell you that, "We think this is a heinous crime and you will evade justice if we let you out pending trial". Bang! THey will keep you and make mockery of the judicial system and them selves and at the end, you are the looser. No one will listen to you unless if the MEDIA is interested in your case and that could raise more awareness and pressure on the system to yield Justice. This is worst in FINLAND!!!! Fighe Assange!!!!
16:03 December 21, 2010 by bob3000

With the US Patriot Act, if Assange was deemed to be a threat to the US, then it would have absolutely no qualms about having him lifted from anywhere.

If you read the SAPO/Swedish reaction to finding out extradition flights had refuelled in Sweden - then why would the US not pull him from the UK directly.

It may fuel your power complex fantasies, but it makes no logical sense.


I'll presume you are talking about the US and the lack of free speech.

When you say Swedish " judicial system here is a mockery"...the worst ever cover up authoritarian system I have ever seen under the disguise of a democratic state.

It sounds like you have had a great deal of experience of the wrong side of the law in many countries. Are you criminally unlucky or an unlucky criminal?
16:36 December 21, 2010 by Strongbow

It's a meme from an 80's ad with Paul Hogan, by the Australian tourism commission for use in the USA. It became iconic.
16:38 December 21, 2010 by RobinHood

So far:

2 arrest warrants processed by poice legal department

Several CPS lawyers

1 bail application

1 bail application appeal

8 days inprisonment

60 days plus monitoring of security tag by Securicor

Still to come:

1 extradition application (Sweden)

1 extradition application appeal (Sweden)

1 extradition application (US)

1 extradation application appeal (US)

I can assure you, this Swedish prosecution is costing the UK tax payer a great deal of money, and will cost them a great deal more.

Thanks Sweden.
16:46 December 21, 2010 by philster61
Bob3000. Yes your correct. I should've said prominent instead of important politician in the guise of Sarah Palin. However she is calling for the death penalty regards to Julian Assange.

I hope you were not referring to my comment as a dolt one. I am 100% correct on my facts.
17:10 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
@bob3000: I am not a typical guy your fake democracy wants you all to be. I am an active citizen of the World who is consciously following and up to date with all the inside affairs of all states including the fake democracies.
17:34 December 21, 2010 by coot
If you are accused, you should NEVER consent to extradition. If you are innocent, the BEST possible outcome is that you will spend time in prison in a foreign country, at least for the duration of the trial. Worse, you risk that you might be unjustly convicted, maybe by a prosecutor who has to get a conviction to prove that they have not misused their power.

Why is anybody surprised that he would fight the extradition? Why would anybody think that fighting extradition somehow indicates guilt?
18:11 December 21, 2010 by Rebel
remember guys and girls (yes, it is Sweden after all) before you have sex with a Swedish woman make sure you get a signed statement that releases you from any criminal accusations (and list what can take place under this contract). Heck, you should make a video of it as well since it will be her word against yours in court.
18:21 December 21, 2010 by free range cheese
"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange alleged on Tuesday that the Swedish women who accused him of sexual assault got into a "tizzy" about possibly contracting a sexually transmitted disease from him."

A valid concern on the part of the ladies given Julians wikileaks.
18:45 December 21, 2010 by Nilspet
I agree with Texrusso on this "there are fake democracies" and there are everywhere on the planet from East to West, North to South. Do we have a world ranking on democracy?

If so, please let me know.
18:49 December 21, 2010 by organismasawhole
Please people, separate the messenger from the message. Yes perhaps he has a ego and feelings of grandeur, it happens to the best of us.

If you take the time to consider the information he has released about the war in Iraq, the Pfizer pharmaceutical company, the banking industry and who know what else in the future, then our personal leaning towards his character are a distraction from the point. Time better spent in my opinion is to research the validity of the data he has provided and ponder what that means to you and the world.

Telling the truth is the most unwelcome of acts in a society.
19:09 December 21, 2010 by Raiha
My post was deleted for profanity and there wasn't a single swear word in it. Good one Local. Check your software.

@Bob3000 #38

The "power complex fantasies" are yours darling, because nowhere in my post do I mention extradition from Sweden to the US. My point was, it's no wonder Assange is "defensive and paranoid" with the largest unchecked superpower in the world gunning for him. And the US Patriot Act, or Treason Act, or whatever US law they want to enact, CANNOT be enacted because he is an Australian citizen who did not commit a crime on US soil, and according to our Federal Police, has broken no national or international laws with Wikileaks. The US can only have him if they instigate a new, retroactive law, or charge him with conspiracy which is another furphy considering he had never heard of Bradley Manning until the man outed himself. Wikileaks software is designed so that the organisation does not know the identity of the leaker/s. That is TRUE protection of sources. In typical US big bully style, it doesn't matter if he committed a crime, they want him, they'll invent one.

You may now proceed to hallucinate things I haven't written in this post and insult me again.

@Strongbow #39

So it was Paul Hogan and Tourism Australia's fault huh? He always was a tool and that org has a long history of failure. Probably had to say "shrimp" because prawn would confuse the average american.
19:09 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
Sweden Enacted a law more than a year ago to monitor Internet traffic of every residences of Sweden including Swedish citizens. They are watching you, they can read me and they know who you and I are, and for me they will never spear me but am not afraid. I will go on and on championing the fight for human right and freedom of speech all over the World. They will never find a thing to get me as long as I don't sleep with Swedish women. Thank God for that!!!
19:54 December 21, 2010 by don willer
Simply put Sweden cannot be considered a serious country, its justice system appears to be anything but just. How many of us would want to be tried in Sweden's justice system, not me, and if your\'re honest neither would you. Carping from the sidelines is allowed but it isn't useful or intelligent. Julian Assange should continue his resistance with respect to Sweden's extradition request.
20:41 December 21, 2010 by saraswed
JULIAN ASSANGE said it was smear campaign .i mean why should i take this guy seriously .its like having 100kilo gym instructor. Julian couldn't explain clearly what wiki leaks plans to achieve .
20:43 December 21, 2010 by bob3000
@Raiha #48

Your rationale on the legal position is priceless! I sincerely hope you only do this for your own amusement - it would have calamitous consequences if you pretended to do this professionally.

Gosh, you are strident this week..oooh..lingonveckan?
21:00 December 21, 2010 by mojofat

"The US can only have him if they instigate a new, retroactive law, or charge him with conspiracy which is another furphy considering he had never heard of Bradley Manning until the man outed himself."

I'm pretty sure they would invoke espionage, for which no new law would have to be created.


"I am not a typical guy your fake democracy wants you all to be. I am an active citizen of the World who is consciously following and up to date with all the inside affairs of all states including the fake democracies."

You really sound like a macho dude! Tell me citizen of the world, who are the fake democracies and who are the real ones? You're not really that guy from "V for Vendetta" are you?? I'm curious as to how you're staying up to date with all the inside affairs of all states (including the fake democracies)? Glenn Beck's blog? Perhaps some other hallucinating conspiracy prophet?


"then our personal leaning towards his character are a distraction from the point."

Which is quite convenient for a pervert wishing to ride bareback across any woman he deems necessary for "the cause". BTW, I think the world is more than capable to do both, no? Investigating this shadowy figure and investigating any information released through wikileaks are not mutually exclusive.

I'm surprised at the number of sheep so willing to follow any self-professed "messiah" figure...you all are so hungry for any anti-american information that you'll willingly sell out your critical thinking ability. Sad. Whether you think these charges against Assange are BS or not, he's a hypocrite. He stands on a soap box screaming about transparency, releasing private information about exclusively US interests, and then resists any attempt to uncover who he is...who funds wikileaks...even taking a simple 10 minute STD test to allay the worries of a couple females he bedded for the evening. I quite enjoy seeing the spotlight of disinfectant shine on him a bit.
21:10 December 21, 2010 by krattan

21:22 December 21, 2010 by Xris Hannah
So while all this noise is being generated over Assange's struggle with the Swedish authorities, the point of the original exercise is being effectively snowed over; the leaks...

I'm still stunned that the world media has created this (gnashing of teeth in the background) assault on WikiLeaks (Assange in particular), whilst in essence, the WikiLeaks is right up their street in terms of solid investigative journalism. It being consistently forgotten that Assange hasn't stolen anything from anyone. An American stole it from the Americans. A certain case of shooting the messenger and turning the event into a circus so the original theme is lost in the confusion.

And what happens after the 'Swedish Business' is sorted out? What new diversion will crawl out of the woodwork?

We, as a world community with a vested interest in our children's futures (and in the political caretakers we vote in to guide us there) need to stop looking at Sweden and what Assange is doing in the UK and look across The Pond towards where the real darkness is coming from.

Assange and his habits (real or imagined) are of no interest to me, nor does he frighten me... However, the people and organisations that WikiLeaks is exposing do frighten me; in their complete disregard and contempt of us and our futures.
21:49 December 21, 2010 by bob3000
@Xris Hannah

"It being consistently forgotten that Assange hasn't stolen anything from anyone"

- But Hannah, this is the crux of the matter - WikiLeaks is trying to hide behind the mantle of publisher - and therefore publish as an act of freeing information. If it is not an accredited publisher, it is simply handling stolen property.

A Crime. Regardless of how you feel about it morally or ethically.

Do you remember why Assange was in Sweden originally, "Assange, an Australian citizen, had applied for a residence and work permit in Sweden in August 18th in order to gain status as the legally responsible publisher..."
22:15 December 21, 2010 by Texrusso
@mojofat: If you remain an active citizen of the World, you will understand what I mean someday. Otherwise wait for your next turn to vote Fredrik Reinfeldt out.... Merry Xmas!!!
22:48 December 21, 2010 by Nilspet

Thanks for the link! According to the democracy index Sweden is supposed to act very transparently as a full democracy. However it seems that people in charge of pursuing JA are not acting transparently. Any explanation?
23:02 December 21, 2010 by mibrooks27
The details that most of the rest of the world is interested have to do with the history of Sweden's nut case prosecutor, Marianne Ny. Most of us find it *very* odd that the entire internet has been sanitized as to her history. About all we know is she blew the original "charges", is some sort of feminist nut case who has a "thing" for women, and, evidently, the entire case against Assange boils down to a maximum $750 fine. For that, she got Interpol and the world police involved and has so horrified and frightened people all over the world about Swedish legal lunacy that she will cost Sweden's tourism industry billions. Oh, and in spite of the claims to the contrary by this US government tool, she *did* tell the New York Times, on November 14, 2010, that she had every intention of turning Assange over to the US government. I don't know about you, but the idea of Obama and his crazies making me disappear into Guantanimo or some secret prison would make me do just about everything possible to avoid allowing them to get their grubby hands on me. What Sweden needs to do is arrest and prosecute their own dingbat before she does some real damage (and dismantle that office she has misused as her power base while your at it!).
01:25 December 22, 2010 by Beavis
Ah come on.. He would get a fair trial in Sweden, it has a very fair legal system based on things like hearsay and personal opinions without proof. If America wants him guilty, Sweden will find him guilty..end of.. Just look at the pirate bay lads.. they got a fair un-biased trial right ?:)
01:29 December 22, 2010 by locaxy
I don't understand why some people are jumping in here to denounce Assange's ego or his language. This is about serious accusations of rape. Ego has nothing to do with it. Nor does using the word "tizzy" (which as far as I know, is not derogatory).

Rape occurs when there is coercion. So far, none of the women has claimed there was coercion. The ladies remained in fairly good terms with him long after they had sex. It is only after they compared notes and talked to the cops that suspicion of foul-play came up.

Of course, none of this warranted a $300,000 conditional bail. Much less an Interpol Red Alert. I sincerely wish someone sues the prosecutor of this case. It's obviously politically motivated.
01:58 December 22, 2010 by free range cheese
I find it telling that those defending Assange claiming U.S. influence smearing character. You same people claim that Bush's war was a war for oil, the 911 attacks were orchestrated by the Bush administration or a plot by Israel, and yet Assange and his wikileakers have nothing to provide you with other than people gossiping. It looks like Assange has vindicated Bushof your conspiracy theories and at the same time relegated his supporters to nothing but tabloid gossip mongers. Yeah, free Julian, there's a class of serfs that needs gossip needs to run amok.
08:29 December 22, 2010 by Duron1
i dont understand why the women dont take a hiv test instead of assange, to see if they have hiv.
10:06 December 22, 2010 by locaxy
@ Duron1

Because - should the need arise - they wanted to prove he infected them with the virus. Turns out neither them nor Assange is HIV infected, and they ended up looking like the paranoid fools they are.

What kind of people go to the cops because they're worried about HIV?
11:53 December 22, 2010 by Nilspet
@ locaxy

How about this scenario?'

Assange got infected from girl number 1 (miss A) because the condom broke accidentally and then he infected the girl number 2 (miss W). If we had this scenario it would mean that all the three are doomed....and who should you sue? A condom manufacturer?

Still this is a lot simpler than if one of Tiger Wood's girls went to the cops telling this kind of story because you would then have to trace tens of girls ....
11:55 December 22, 2010 by bob3000

Rape occurs when there is coercion. I think you are confused about what coersion is and why why being coersed into having sex is different from rape - in practical terms and in law.

Regarding 'tizzy' - it most certainly is derogatory, I will tell you that as a native UK English speaker. Have a look a post #15.

If you can reference where it is used internationally and is not a way to trivialise someone's state of anxiety - I'd be interested.

You seem to be quite ignorant regarding HIV testing - http://www.avert.org/testing.htm

Perhaps you should read up about the "Window Period" - it can take upto 6 months in some cases for the antibodies to show.

If Assange makes it a habit to have unprotected sex randomly, he should be getting regular tests - for the other STD's as well. I'd say worried and anxious people who have had unprotected sex that they did not want, go for a test and even perhaps ask the police for advice.

I find it strange that you cannot understand the women's anxiety.

But is seems that Assange would try and poke a barber shop floor, if it had enough hair on it and think little of the consequences.
14:17 December 22, 2010 by ehwhat?
Rape isn't only about force or coercion, although that is the most common form. In criminal law, rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse, by one person against another person without that person's consent. Consent being the operative word. Agreeing to intercourse with a condom is consent. Discovering that your partner has lied and that you are in fact having intercourse without a condom removes consent. Intercourse without consent is rape. Asange has self identified himself in acts of rape.

His comments to the press are admissible as they are voluntary acts. I think he has screwed himself (pun intended).
23:31 December 22, 2010 by crunchy2k
The Ms. prosecuter joke has made a new english verb....

Go to sweden and get assanged...
03:22 December 23, 2010 by mojofat
Good interview with Assange on MSNBC:

03:50 December 23, 2010 by jayde
Borgstrom and Ny may have started this case as a sort of big wet dream of taking a famous scalp (it was they after all who decided whether or not there was consent, not Ms's A + W) but it's a grown into more like a nightmare now: for Assange; for Sweden and probably for the jilted lovers too.

Borgstrom believes in the "collective guilt for rape" of all those born with a Y chromosome; a sort of toxic concept of original sin distorted through the lens of psychotic-feminist puritanism.

These people want the state to control your every erotic move - especially if they can get their own jollys by torturing you with it.

Those of you above relying on the carefully scripted remarks from well-coached prosecution "witnesses" which contradict what those same "witnesses" posted openly in cyberspace at the time should note that this 'file' was planted by someone in the Swedish state machine.

Whom? Well who bloody benefits?

Not all that different really from plastering Assange's name all over the Swedish gutter press in the first place...and who did that?

And what was all that stuff about keeping collaboration with the USA secret from parliament? Extraordinary rendition anyone?

Assange would have a better chance of a "fair trial" in C17th Salem Massechusetts than he would anywhere in the Nutburger monarchy's domain.

Borgstrom; Ny; Ask - sexual criminals all.
05:24 December 23, 2010 by thinkwise
Assange already went to Sweden and stayed for 5 weeks to clear his name this summer. The Swedish prosecutor dropped the investigation because there was no evidence supporting any of the allegations against Assange.

Anna Ardin is lying. She has alterior motives for bringing false charges against Assange. Anna has been caught lying by deleting blog posts and tweets that undermine her story. You can find them here:


You can also see the cached version of her tweets on this website:


She deleted twitter posts, but failed to recognized that when you delete twitter posts you also have to delete the blog posts. Oops!

If you read her blog posts and tweets you can see that they clearly undermine her allegations against Assange.
10:10 December 23, 2010 by HowSwedeitis
I sincerely hope the United States Central Intelligence Agency gets this guy.

12:03 December 23, 2010 by mrpripps
makes me laugh to think that sweden has the gall to actually think that they have the legal " clout " to try and bring " bring someone in " are the trying to jump on the " supernation " bandwagon. Wow!! leave that kind of action to the big boys sweden, thats for prominent nations to deal in . not small timers like you guys. and as for sapo !! they've never been in a gunfight in their lives ! what an f....ing joke. watch out for the next explosion !!
13:15 December 23, 2010 by IWP
I couldn't give a damn about Wikileaks but Assange is right in thinking he'll get no 'natural justice' in Sweden, I think, as a former UK lawyer. There will be some daft US-Sweedle deal bubbling under the surface here. Probably be revealed next year, after the robust UK judiciary have told the simple Swedes where to go!
14:05 December 23, 2010 by Albertoz
Wikileaks is a form of long overdue political colon irrigation. Many of the patients are reluctant to be treated because they fear the smell. of truth. Democracy has that built in capacity to challenge the people who try to distort the truth. The faceless people pulling the strings are all wearing brown trousers at this point of time. Julian Assange is doing what the King Herods of this world do not like, hence their desire to crucify him.
15:31 December 23, 2010 by reader in USA
Assanges accusers make Earth girls look easy. Who did these women screw the day before and after.

Assange is scum. Leave him alone!!
19:45 December 23, 2010 by mibrooks27
All you need to understand about Prosecutor Ny and Swedish laws with regards to women is summed up in yesterdays paper. A man was arrest for selling his 13 year old daughter for sex. The customer complained that the little girl didn't perform as advertised. He was merely fined. And, in another story, a 13 year old boy, a former student of my wife, actually, was murdered by his father who, then, committed suicide. The mother, after years of abuse, kicked him out a week ago, He came back and murdered their sweet and bright son, who that mother loved more than life itself and now gets to live her life in hell. Sweden, Ny, the entire apparatus of "justice", instead of preventing violence against women and children, has become a cesspool of twisted radical feminist claptrap, where truth tellers and journalists like Assange are put on trial so that gasbag feminists can further their political careers. Sweden needs arrest and try Ny and Ardins. Anything less makes a mockery of the whole idea of justice.
22:07 December 23, 2010 by Nilspet

Are you already ready to let the world know the deep truth about social problems in Sweden? The PR team of Sweden has been very good at promoting my beloved country (while concealing the painful truth) for so long that the world has come to believe wholeheartedly that we are a trouble-free country and that everything is perfect.

I am afraid to say that your summary is concise and informative ...
23:54 December 23, 2010 by Raul el australiano
Let's make sure he gets a fair trial. Wikileaks is, doing after all, what the governments should be doing. Informing the public of the truth, and nothing but the truth.
04:54 December 24, 2010 by Nomark
I wasn't aware that governments are under a moral obligation to release defence logs and diplomatic cables. I would actually prefer it if they didn't release such information as a matter of course. Defence operations and delicate international negotiations ought to be allowed to be conducted outside of public scrutiny. In every other sphere of life privacy is allowed in certain cases. To try to deny governments this privilege is daft and counter productive, especially if a subset of governments is affected (where are the leaked Chinese cables ? ). Whistle blowing when there is evidence of wrong doing should be encouraged. However, this isn't what Wikileaks is doing.

However, I could be very wrong. When it comes to the release of info to the extent sought by wikileaks this very much depends on the wishes of the affected countries. If we are to have more-or-less complete information released then this should be confirmed by democratic will rather than by JA getting hold of some files. Why don't wikileaks supporters campaign for, eg, a referendum to make, eg, all diplomatic cables available ? So far I've heard of lots of huffing and puffing about the importance of the "truth". I rather suspect that the majority of the electorate accept that some things are best kept private as a matter of course. There is only way to find out this is true - those who want a change must go out and make it happen. At the very least it would remove at a stroke those (justified) complaints that wikileaks is a secretive organisation making arbitrary decisions about what it chooses to disclose.
19:10 December 28, 2010 by buckrogersday
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