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The Local/AFP · 1 Apr 2011, 20:42

Published: 01 Apr 2011 20:42 GMT+02:00

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"It is with deep sorrow that I have now unfortunately received confirmation that Swede Joakim Dungel was killed while working for the UN in Afghanistan," Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt wrote on his blog on Friday night.

Five Nepalese and three other international UN staff were killed Friday in an attack by protesters on a United Nations compound in Afghanistan in which a number of attackers also died, a UN official said.

The senior official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Nepalese Gurkha guards killed some of the protesters before they were fatally wounded by the crowd which attacked the UN compound in Mazar-i-Sharif protesting over the burning of a Koran by a US pastor.

"We can confirm that the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) operations centre in Mazar-i-Sharif, in northern Afghanistan has been attacked today following a demonstration," UNAMA spokesperson Dan McNorton said in a statement.

"We can also confirm that there have been United Nations personnel deaths. The situation is still confusing and we are currently working to ascertain all the facts and take care of all our staff."

A Norwegian officer was "in all likelihood" also among the victims of the attack, the Norwegian army said.

Mazar-i-Sharif also serves as the home base for Swedish forces serving as part of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan.

Speaking with the Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper from Afghanistan, Swedish military spokesperson Mikael Wallentin Åström explained that no Swedish soldiers were involved with the incident, but that they were ready to act if needed.

"Right now our units are on standby either to prevent or provide support in the event of a threat," he told SvD.

Foreign ministry spokesperson Anders Jörle told the Expressen newspaper that two Swedes worked in the UN office in Mazar-i-Sharif, which came under attack following a demonstration against US pastor Wayne Sapp, who burned a copy of the Koran in Florida on March 20th.

The burning took place under the supervision of Terry Jones, another US pastor who caused controversy last year over plans to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

According to the BBC, the protests in Mazar-i-Sharif were among several carried out in a number of Afghan cities on Friday, which some demonstrators called a "day of anger".

Dungel is the second Swedish UN worker killed in as many days while serving for the global body.

On Thursday, a Swedish national working for the UN in the Ivory Coast was killed in Abidjan by a stray bullet in escalating post-election violence.

Writing on his Twitter account, Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt called Friday "a dark day for UN & Sweden" and that he was "extremely concerned" about the attacks in Mazar-i-Sharif.

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US President Barack Obama condemned the attack "in the strongest possible terms", while UN chief Ban Ki-Moon called it "outrageous and cowardly."

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the violence, saying it was the first step in a campaign against the upcoming presidential elections.

Dungel graduated from the University of Gothenburg's School of Business, Economics, and Law in 2004 and later received an LLM from New York University.

He had worked previously with the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda in the Hague and the Temporary International Presence in Hebron (TIPH), an international civilian observer mission that reports to the Palestinian and Israeli authorities and six member countries.

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21:34 April 1, 2011 by Syftfel
Where is Ullenhag and his sorry cabal of useless government representatives when we need them? Are they still babbling about "religious prejudice"? I must be missing something, because I do not follow the logic.
22:21 April 1, 2011 by Nemesis
This is a case of blood thirsty criminals using the burning of a book in the United States by an idiot who also appears to have a bloodlust, for an excuse to attack and kill innocent people.
23:01 April 1, 2011 by Syftfel
@Nemesis: Well, if that's the case, what was it that drove them to become such "bloodthirsty criminals". What in their thought process made them think that it is OK to chop the head off a person they do not agree with? Where and how did they learn this? Somehow I would not think of executing a person who burned the New Testament in Afghanistan. What's the reasoning behind their behavior? Why is it so different from the behavior of ordinary people? Please educate me. I'm trying to understand. Do people of other cultures behave in the same way? Or are these "bloodthrirsty criminals" as you say driven by some alien force, fueled by some evil, uncivilized, ideas?
00:10 April 2, 2011 by Stuart Parsons
It is an ill wind that does not do good for someone. Maybe more of the politically correct in the West will now realise that Islam is a much greater threat to the well-being of mankind than Fascism, Communism and the Hordes of Genghis Khan ever were.
00:18 April 2, 2011 by Swedesmith
But I just don't understand...Islam is the religion of peace.
00:40 April 2, 2011 by Essjay
Ask yourselves this,,,,,where were the Taliban And Al -Qaeda when 5,000 Muslim,s died in Bosnia....sorry Al-Qaeda , no bombs , no suicide bombings in Belgrade.

So someone draws a cartoon.....revenge at all costs

Someone burns the Koran...........revenge at all costs

He was !00% wrong and is culpable !

5,000 slaughtered Muslims ,tortured , displaced , homeless and still suffering to this day ,

Where were you ,where are you now .....Arab Muslims are more important than European Muslims........must be the case because never heard of revenge against

Serbia....but then we could also talk about Somalia,,,,Arab Muslims vs Black Africans......how many slaughtered there?
01:03 April 2, 2011 by mibrooks27
Excuse me, but a US pastor, seeking his 15 minutes of fame, *murdered* this man and the other UN workers, as surely as if he had taken a gun and shot them in the head. Terry Jones was warned, repeatedly, that his self serving antics would result in the deaths of innocent Westerners. Now, the international community has a choice - do we ignore this or do we bring Terry Jones to justice, charge him and try him and convict him of murder? Wall Street, that den of American pirates, looted banks and individual savings deposits, bilked European retirement systems out of trillions of dollars and NOTHING was done about it. Instead of international trials, a tribunal such as judged the Nazi leaders after the Second World War, our governments took pathetic blood money from the US Treasury. This time, instead of blood money, instead of putting up with American lawlessness, demand justice. Put Terry Jones on trial!
01:57 April 2, 2011 by Zhorka
Burn more Korans, stupid arrogant crusaders. Also bomb those Afghanis since they can't respond correspondingly and thus it is pretty safe.
02:11 April 2, 2011 by zerotolerancenow
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02:43 April 2, 2011 by Boyfriend
I am sorry for the lost of Swede and other innocents. Afghanistan is country where every day more than 50 innocents die . so The Taliban took responsibility,

There was a peaceful protest but suddenly they attacked so it means it was them who attacked and killed innocent.

The "Brain washed taliban" sees any foreigners as invaders and would kill anybody to reach their goals. It was an Russians / Americans gift to Afghanistan who turned Afghanistan as helll.

Check the Afghanistan pictures before invasion you would forget the Europe.

Search google " Afghanistan once upon a time"

You see how free and freedom was in Afghanistan for women specially and after invasion and bring democracy to Afghanistan see what is happening.
02:48 April 2, 2011 by Tanskalainen
@zerotolerancenow Thank You. I could not have said it better myself. Also ladies I think you'll find the koran makes a great maxi-pad.
07:22 April 2, 2011 by Kublai

What kind of peverted brain do you have who blame the murders on Pastor Jones and NOT the perpetraitors?

How many bibles, flags, schools, buddhist and hindu temples and churches have muslims burnt around the world?

Realise that islam is a sick, hateful, perverted excuse of a religion which promotes hate and murder on innocents.

And where were the swedish soldiers? Why didn't they open fire on the murderous crowd? They had every right to do so. I hope every demonstrator that got into the UN compound is arrested and executed to make an example, but I know that will never happen because all western do-gooders will blame this on ourselves and Pastor Jones.
08:35 April 2, 2011 by Iraniboy

Yes you're missing something! It is people like you with your prejudice against other ideologies(Islam in you case) which caused all this mess. Those few Muslims with prejudice against non-Muslims who kills innocent people and those non-Muslims with prejudice against Muslims who happily kill innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq and but can't stand when one of them is killed in the battlefield in the war they have started.
09:09 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood
Sleep well Terry Jones, there is a special place in Hell reserved just for you, and the other perpetrators of this disgusting thing. There will be no virgins for any of you.
09:12 April 2, 2011 by calebian22
All you defenders of Islam need to focus on the true villains, the people actual murdering people. Terry Jones burned paper. That is all.
09:34 April 2, 2011 by technoviking
Anyone who is blaming Jones for this is by default saying that Muslims are savage children with no ability to take responsibility for their actions.

Do the beheaders have any responsibility for this? Or are they sub-human animals who can't control their own actions? Please elaborate.

And if it's Jones' fault, what is wrong with Islam that it's believers must be treated like animals who we can assume will turn to violence at the drop of a hat?

Or if Jones and the beheaders are both humans and equals, then how is burning paper even comparable to cutting a live humans head off? And why are you choosing to condemn (stupid) free speech rather than the beheaders themselves?
10:39 April 2, 2011 by truthworthy
A regrettable consequence of that man's foolish act.
11:01 April 2, 2011 by motti
It is with deep regret to learn of more innocents being murdered by those who claim to be of a peace loving religion.

I do believe that once the west is weaned off oil onto other forms of energy, all of the Moslem world will return to the caves, even those countries with immense wealth.

The Moslems characterise all other peoples by destroying their heritage, minimising their religions and beliefs. and finally by the utter futility of slaughtering humans and animals. They have no order of law. black becomes white, and reverse.

The West (at least the person in the street) is slowly learning the facts of life - and death when it is connected to Islam. The waste of life, committed by people who love to hate and who love death, surely must awaken every living soul in the west. Or does it?
11:04 April 2, 2011 by technoviking
@ truthworthy

Why don't elaborate further WHY is this a consequence?

How is the brutal murder of non-US United Nations workers who are there to help the Afghanis in any way related to what some guy in Florida does?

We don't understand. Enlighten us.
11:10 April 2, 2011 by truthworthy
@ technoviking, No one can enlighten bigoted people. So probably my comments won't enlighten you.

I just watched the news and as far as I understand the protesters were peaceful at first until the security forces guarding the UN base started to shoot at them.

Anyway the west must learn from these mistakes. Letting every foul to do their foolish acts will just create more problems than solve our differences.
11:27 April 2, 2011 by technoviking
So you are saying the UN unarmed workers DESERVED to beaten in the street and beheaded then.

Thanks us know what you really think, you c@nt.

To the SWEDES on here... This is what we are dealing with. These are the evil monsters we have living amongst us.

Wake up.
11:34 April 2, 2011 by calebian22

So being a fool, is punishable by death? What do you call the murderers of paper burners? Heroes? Defenders of the faith?

Your thinking is medieval. No surprise.
11:37 April 2, 2011 by truthworthy
"So you are saying the UN unarmed workers DESERVED to beaten in the street and beheaded then." SOO YOU ARE SAYING!!!...No I am not saying it. You are saying it.

What I said is up there. and my record on this website is clear on where I stand on killing innocent people.

Swedes are not as st*p*d as you are . They have their own minds to judge the reality. The real evil monsters are people like you who spread hatred and fear that does not exist.

I think you are the one who needs to wake up. Sweden is already awake and open to tolerance. Wake up and get out from your dark room.
11:43 April 2, 2011 by technoviking
@ truthworthy

You've very clearly making excuses for these atrocities and blaming the West for them, as usual.

I wouldn't be so comfortable about anyone's blind, unquestioning tolerance anymore if I was you... You might be in for a surprise in the very near future.
11:43 April 2, 2011 by Nemesis
Burning a book can never justify murder.

This was murder by blood thirsty murderers.

It was nothing else.

Anyone who murders because someone burn't a book, drew a cartoon, or did not wear a dress that covered everything except the eyes/face, is a sociopathic nutcase.

In this case, an attention seeking idiot burn't a book in Florida, so Afghani's decided to kill innocent Norwegian, Swedish and Nepalise people in Afghnaistan.

The murders in the case are clearly a psychopathic danger to all in society and need to be tracked down and put down.
11:52 April 2, 2011 by truthworthy
I am never making an excuse for murdering innocent people. that is clear. There is no excuse but there are circumstances that lead to the situation. and in this situation we learn that the circumstances are many

1. and the biggest is that fool's act.

2. Where this happened is a country that is destroyed and people are used to violence and poverty.

3. Some elements of the opposition such as Taliban maybe involved.

What I am saying is, there is a difference of perspective on how people see things and if you are ok with book burning, and offensive things. there are people who aren't and you cant put your own perspective on their throat. that is why I am saying just respect and stop provoking it. otherwise a regrettable situations such as this one may arise.
12:07 April 2, 2011 by calebian22
At the same time you say there is no excuse for murdering innocent people, you make excuses. Your record on the Local is indeed clear. I hope Säpo is watching you.
12:17 April 2, 2011 by truthworthy
" I hope Säpo is watching you."

You maybe wrong if you think Säpo is a good tool to threaten opposing opinion.

I hope they know their priorities and i would argue they start an early list of bigots because soon bigotry may become illegal in Sweden once the SD disease vanishes.
12:20 April 2, 2011 by Kublai

Hateful, perverted psychopaths like you don't belong in a civilized country. The best you can do for mankind is to move to Somalia or Saudi-Arabia where you would be among likeminded psychos.
12:42 April 2, 2011 by calebian22

SD is growing because of opinions like yours. Being opposed to medieval thinking is not bigotry, it is called keeping out the riff raff.
12:47 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood
The right to free speech is a privilege. It was earned with the blood and sacrifice of millions over thousands of years. It has its limits. There is no right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, nor is there a right to commit an act that will inevitably lead to the murder of innocent people. Those who do such things are either insane, or criminally insane. The current intense examination of American law will determine which of these two categories Wayne Sapp falls under.

His supporters here (you know who you are) must also bear some responsibility for what happened yesterday. Had you expressed your disgust earlier, along with the entire US administration, including the US military, perhaps Wayne Sapp would have refrained, and those people would be alive today. Had you at least restrained your vocal support for Koran burning, he might also have recognised the terrible and inevitable consequences of his provocative bonfire.

I do not expect you to recognise your own terrible contribution yet; that would be asking too much of you. That epiphany may come after many months, or even years, of self examination and social development. Sadly, some of you never will reach that heightened level of awareness. But, if and when you do, never forget the small part you played in yesterday's massacre. And do what you can, in some way, to make amends for the murders of Joakim Dungel 33, Siki Skare 53 (a woman) and six others.

If you really must support the burning of the Koran, at least go to Afghanistan and burn one yourself in the market place. Then at least the awful consequences of your stupidity will fall on you alone, instead of those far braver than you are, who put themselves at risk on your behalf.

For now, at least show some respect to the dead by not defending one of the perpetrators, and not defending yourselves. It demeans you, and personally, I find it rather disgusting.
13:20 April 2, 2011 by Kublai

Have you heard of the Stockholm syndrom?

You either suffer from that or you are more than legally stupid. You justify murder of innocent people because a crackhead burnt a koran. How the hell can that justify murder? Don't you see how the inbred barbarians behave?

I don't like nazism, communism or islam so in your eyes I ought to get killed and beheaded, right? You should take a serious look at yourself and see your psychopathic behaviour and perverted hatred against your own people (if you are a westerner).
13:47 April 2, 2011 by technoviking
@ Robinhood

If those Afghans had refrained from chopping their heads off those people would be alive today.

Sapp and Jones may be guilty of being dumb rednecks, but who's the real villain in this scenario you gutless tw@t?

Not the killers themselves?

Are Muslims not held to normal adult standards of human behavior?
13:48 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood

No sensible reading of my post at #32 infers a justification for murder, nor my support for the same, nor a call for you to be killed and beheaded.

Unless you are able to deal sensibly and exclusively with the issues I did raise in #32, please do waste my time with a further response.
13:57 April 2, 2011 by Swedesmith
@ Robinhood

I agree with you that Sapp, if compelled to do so, should have at least had the courage to burn the Koran in a Muslim country so he alone could suffer the consequences. I agree that he is partially responsible as he, undoubtably, understood what the reaction to his stupid actions would be.

However, the people (if you can call them that) by far and away mostly responsible for the death of innocents are the ones with blood on their hands.
14:04 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood

Then we agree.
14:05 April 2, 2011 by calebian22

Burning the Koran is not like yelling fire in a crowded room at this point. The Islamic defenders wish this was so, but US constitutional scholars are still divided on this question. Stephen Breyer a Supreme Court Justice is on your side, but there is no precedent for Koran burning/Fire as you describe. Eventually, if hand-wringing-what-did-we-do-to offend-you-liberals have their way, Koran burning may be illegal, but right now it is not. You saying that it is, is misleading for Euros and sheep herders unfamiliar with US law.
14:16 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood

I said:

"Those who do such things are either insane, or criminally insane".

Why do so many people find it necessary to misquote me on this issue. Can't people just deal with the things I did say; instead of making stuff up and then dealing with that?
14:19 April 2, 2011 by calebian22
"There is no right to shout "FIRE" in a crowded theatre"

Sorry for misunderstanding you.
14:56 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood

15:09 April 2, 2011 by Roy E
What reveals most is what is absent.

The silence of even allegedly civilized muslims and their failure to denounce the frequent outburts and displays of islamic of barbarity tells us pretty much all we need to know. From honor killings, assassinations of clerics and bombings of churches, to these altogether too common murderous rampages after their mosque services all we hear is the tacit approval that their co-religionist's silence screams at us.

That the Swedish government flirts with this evil medieval philosophy is astonishing.
15:10 April 2, 2011 by calebian22
So if you were not linking shouting fire in a crowded theater to Koran burning, why include it? You calling them "criminally" insane is also incorrect, because it is not illegal to burn a book, "holy" or not. Dissembling now just weakens your position.

It might be illadvised to burn a Koran, but the true guilt lies with the rabid animals doing the killing over issues of respect. That is sooo, 6th century.
16:08 April 2, 2011 by Boyfriend

It might be paper for you but for Muslims it is more than what your small brain can think of.

Today 9 more people had died and the Talibans are behind these , they are trying to weak the Afghan government and there are many Political issues behind these attack. Taliban are benefiting from this.

It is duty of government to stop any like Terry from disrespecting others religious values. As you can not find any single Muslims who would burn the Bible or even disrespect it but instead I have seen many Muslims who kiss Bible as they do the Quran, as I asked one of them why did you kiss Bible and touched with your eyes, He said it contains the God word and our Holy Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him)

Instead of showing respect and coming on table to discuss the matters these burning would not solve the issues, Now I am sure for the rest of their lives the Pastor would be in police protection and would not be able to walk freely or go picnic with family.

I am Muslim Alhumdulilah (Thank God) , I personally did not mind the action of Terry Jones, Because I know he does not represent the American old original value.

He to me look as sick person same like some of Taliban who are extremists I know the Terry Jones needs more members and money. It is fashion now to abuse other religion to gain some of mongers votes.

Quran means "recite" and read you should read it and see what it contains with open heart.
16:13 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood

But I was linking shouting "FIRE " in a crowded theatre and burning Korans. Both acts are beyond the reasonable and safe bounds of free speech, and the perpetrators of either are "either insane, or criminally insane". It remains to be seen which category Jones and Sapp fall into.

I have not dissembled at all, but you have misrepresented me twice now. Misquotation and misrepresentation are unacceptable tools in sensible debate. They are the refuge of trolls (see #33 and #34), but are unworthy of you. If you are unable to deal with the issues I raised in #32 properly and fairly, don't bother trying at all. You will not have a third opportunity. Conversation over.
16:23 April 2, 2011 by Roy E
I think that RobinHood is trying to tell us that if he, RobinHood, does or says something that we find offensive, we are entirely within our rights to to come over and beat his face into a bloody pulp because after all, he is the perpetrator that did not show us the respect that we think we deserve.
17:25 April 2, 2011 by repat_xpat
The religion of peace kills innocents when others burn paper? Nice. Lets extend them the freedom's of the west and treat them like equals?

@mibrooks27: Your just plan stupid. Put to trial someone who burns paper? I say punish the people that kill people, not those that burn paper and that you're a total idiot. I suggest you move to Afghanistan, where people understand your way of thinking.
17:48 April 2, 2011 by RobinHood
@Roy E

No Roy, I am not trying to tell you that, and no reasonable reading of #32 could infer that. But if I was, I would have written it with some grammatical competence.

Please! If you are unable to understand what I wrote at #32, and/or deal only with the issues raised in #32, why bother to invent a load of other issues and deal with them instead? There is more than enough to debate in #32, without having to misquote and/or misrepresent me.

I seem to have spent most of today slapping down trolls for misquoting me. For so many people to resort simultaneously to such shoddy tactics, I must have touched an entire ganglion of nerves in the troll guilt node. Are one or two of you close to having an "Oh God what have I done" moment? I hope so.
17:50 April 2, 2011 by Kublai

At least you are admitting that you are a muslim. Only people who let a book written by a murderous pedophile 1390 years ago lead their life would think that it is a worse crime to burn that hatepreaching book than to murder innocent people. No wonder your countries never progress. No wonder every country where islam takes over sooner or later ends up in poverty and misery, all wildlife killed and all forests gone. All westerners should withdraw from your countries and you should leave our countries. You can contact us when you have learned how to behave in a civilized way.
18:15 April 2, 2011 by calebian22

And as I pointed out, linking the Koran burning with yelling fire is not the same thing at this time in the US. No one has been prosecuted for this action, because it is not illegal. Burning a Koran is at worst a local fire ordinance violation. You are the one misrepresenting the rule of law in the United States. Distasteful and disagreeable speech is the reason for free speech in the US. Koran burning or any other religious book falls under free speech protection in America. Anyone somewhere in the world, who feels that Koran burning should be punishable by death, needs to be taken out and treated like Old Yeller. At least at the end of Old Yeller I was sad. No tears need to be shed for these sub-human vermin.
18:28 April 2, 2011 by Nika-NM
First of all, this was an utterly irresponsible act on Terry Jones behalf, for he must have been sure what the consequences would be.

But as for the mob and the ones involved in the incitement, they'll never be short of any excuses for decapitations, will they? Seeing that mob, wielding those huge poles and stakes I was immediately struck by the sheer anachronism of it.

Afghanistan serves as an example in the modern time to show us how can a misrepresentation of a religion is capable of fuddling ones mind and coming out with exactly the opposite result rather the one aimed for.

To be honest, it's to religion's credit that the Near East have not come up with their own Enlightenment. If it hadn't been for the Enlightenment in Europe, we wouldn't have a very different picture in here as well. So, it's down to these states interminable failure to ensure a better development of liberalism in their respective regions that we have this situation there. Iran shouldn't be stopped being used as a staple for any country's ''development'' in the world.
18:58 April 2, 2011 by Iraniboy
Well this is called chain of violence and hatred with usually feedback itself among naiv, uneducated, stupid people who are easily brainwashed by what they hear.

US medias have been quite successful in fueling a decade of Islamophobia to justify US illegal wars in the middle east which led to to charge some naiv US citizens to burn Quran. Talibani schools liked it very much and they use this to charge some innocent, naiv people in Afghanistan to kill innocent non-Muslims there and far-right racists political parties liked it too so that they can now demonize a billion Muslims for this killing and gain support among naiv non-Muslims,...This will repeat as long as we have stupids around us and those who abuse it!
19:41 April 2, 2011 by Swedesmith
Actually, Iranboy, I think the US media has been sot peddalling the whole Islam thing for a long time. I wasn't even remotely aware of the deep hatred that (some) Muslims have for the US until 9-11. That sort of opened up my eyes.
21:12 April 2, 2011 by Iraniboy

If the act of 10 so-called Muslims in 9/11 out of 1.5 billions Muslim opened your eyes about about Muslims then what do you expect about Muslims' eyes and decades of manslaughter by European countries in Middleast and Africa before that?! That's actually what's happening in Taliban camps too. The act of some sick American soldiers who raped or took photo of their victims in Afghanistan and Iraq is good food for Talibans to charge naiv Muslims against the entire western countries as the act of 10 Muslims in 9/11 succeeded to charge US/UK administration and their supporters in recent wars.
21:36 April 2, 2011 by voiceofreason
It feels so nice that many people are waking up from their slumber and seeing that Islam has only one goal and that is to silence every non-muslim using whatever means
21:39 April 2, 2011 by Roy E

It's unfortunate that you are too blind to see the game that is being played here. That Koran burning occurred weeks ago to virtually no publicity. it's manufactured outrage - just like the Danish cartoons. Muslim's fraudulent, manufactured hyper-sensitivity and their murderous rampages are tactics in a game of cultural intimidation. The short term goal is imposition self-censorship though fear, the longer term objective is even more nefarious and that is the breakdown of a culture's will to defend itself.

It's a psychological war that cowering, naive, mis-educated navel-gazers like yourself choose to lose. The hour is late. Pull your head out.
23:52 April 2, 2011 by Syftfel
@iraniboy #14. Oh. So that's the explanation! Now ever ything is clear. We all know everything on the internet is not true, but one more incident like this, iraniboy, and I will have start believing all those nasty, persistent, rumors that your prophet was a child molesting homosexual. Also, these killers in Afghanistan will be in Sweden in about a month, requesting asylum as "chiiiiildren" that we're supposed to feel sooooooorry for. They had traumaaaaatic experiences. Bearded children, earning their keeep off the back of Swedish tax payers. How do we solve the problem? We introduce rigid border controls on the bridge from Denmark. Drastic measures are needed. Now!
00:46 April 3, 2011 by koolwind

Newtons third law of motion.

" for every action there is equal and opposite reaction"

this will happen until people like you and so called civilized nations do not respect other religion and their believes.

you can not understand the things that you don not have at all.

Why you do not see the true picture of the story?WHY?WHY?

because you and your media do not want that.

see the recent atrocities and killing of innocent Afghanis for the sake of fun. Are they not human?they do not have right to live?

In Europe you are so sympathetic to dogs and cats, the why NATO,US and Israel is killing innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and now in Libya.

Open your eyes, the fire that west had lit, will also have reactions.
03:49 April 3, 2011 by Kublai

We are sympathetic to dogs and cats because they are nice and there is no evil in them, just like we would be sympathetic to for example buddhists or animists or some christians (there are some messed up christians too). When it comes to the followers of the arabian pedophile it's a totally different matter. There are some people born into that faith that are goodhearted and decent people but the majority are so full of hatred, not only of west and jews but also of animals and women, even their own mothers and sisters. How can these so called honor-killings even exist? How can you people kill your own daughters if they fall in love with a non-muslim. How can you be so perevertedly sick?
07:12 April 3, 2011 by mkvgtired

"No sensible reading of my post at #32 infers a justification for murder"

Actually by removing the responsibility from the murderers and transferring it to the book burner is exactly the same as a justification. You are saying the Muslims that killed these innocent people are not at fault, and the liability is on someone else. Since they did in fact kill someone, it would have to be justified in some way for them not to be liable.

All of you calling for the pastor to be prosecuted, sorry, he can't be under US law. But people did die from the reprinting of the Mohamed cartoons. Most European countries have laws for "inciting religious hatred" for the slightest offense or comment on religion. I agree it was a stupid move, since we have seen time and again how the slightest thing causes ME Muslims to start killing people. That being said, if you want to start prosecuting people for murder start with the people on your continent that are trying to protect free speech.
10:00 April 3, 2011 by Iraniboy

Here we go again! You changed the topic and started your irrelevant slanders which are only found among anti-XYZ groups. That fully explains my theory of this hatred loop. You're definitely in the loop. Sorry to hear that because this hatred loop doesn't make your point stronger rather than belittle and finally destroy you!
11:33 April 3, 2011 by johnny1939
OH GOD..I really dislike organized religions of all kinds. Now they have started again in Northern Ireland.

RIP Joakim.
12:01 April 3, 2011 by Uncle
Another proof that this religion propagates Nazism in the pure form.

"If a pastor was white, let's behead white people". It is everywhere in this religion. Blacks are lower people in muslim states. All Jews are seen as responsible for Israel politics. Women are suppressed and treated like slaves. Any minority in any muslim land is under the threat of physical elimination or expulsion at any time.

Religion of division, hate and apartheid.
13:45 April 3, 2011 by Syftfel
@iraniboy, koolwind and some other islamists. Unlike you I have never, not even once, promoted violence. But your model seems to justify various physical punishments for perceived infractions, beheadings, hand chop-offs, honor killings. Your veiled threat of destruction above is illustrative. I guess that's my fatwa. My record is very clear. I'm an anti-socialist, pro-freeedom of expression(even that which is offensive to you and your ilk, also that which may be offensive to my Christian breathren), fairness in the system of justice, limited government, equality between sexes(try that one for size), entitlement programs only for the truly needy, freedom of religion(barring acts which are offensive to human decency), aggresive enforcement of democratic priniples. Since you people will never agree with this, in the meantime, we can only agree to separate. You live in Iran and Afghanistan. I live in the West.
14:27 April 3, 2011 by Iraniboy

I hope you're consistent in your so-called proof! If this is a proof to show what Islam is, last week image of US soldier killing a teeange boy and taking a picture with him shows your miliatary force and the entire western culture in general!! or ?!!


Your aggressive enforcement of democracy has led to many cases of rapes, deaths of kids and woman in the Middleast. I don't live in Iran and I assure you that your ultra-right aggressive attitude is no way acceptable in Sweden I live in!
16:32 April 3, 2011 by technoviking
Like the fight against the other evil, violent repressive ideologies, ultimately good will prevail.

We defeated the Nazis, we defeated Communism and one day we will defeat the evil fascist cult that is Islam and vanquish it from our lands.

Count on it.
16:46 April 3, 2011 by Uncle
You see iraniboy, I would see you point, if this soldier was praised, paid and his family would be glorified, like the muslims do to their baby killers.

But no. We, the normal people, send the psycho weirdos to prison. You, the psychos, send them (kidnappers like your buddy Ahmadinejad, child killers like the lebanese who cracked a skull of a 7 y/o and civilian killers like this guy in Sudan) to be in the government.

In addition - we, the normal people, do not send people to kill civilians purposely. You, the psychos, concentrate on targeting civilians. THat is why we are normal with higher ethics and morals, while you are psycho barbarians and should be locked behind huge walls like the Chinese wall.

Get the diff, or a picture is required?
18:35 April 3, 2011 by mojofat
So burning a Koran in Florida equals the lives of swedish, norweigen, and romanian peace workers? Just doesn't add up. BTW, the reports I've read state that the UN guards were specifically instructed NOT to shoot into the crowd, even when their lives were in danger. So this cannot be blamed on the UN inciting these actions. I must say though, if my life was in danger I would've completely ignored this instruction and shot anyone within 10m of me.


I pretty much agree with most everything you've said; however, it should be pointed out that fascism has nothing at all to do with islam. This is some weird thing fox news has created...probably because it sounds bad (like New Gingrich saying the US is going to be run over by atheist islamic extremists). True fascism seeks to destroy traditional beliefs and replace with the new, state-sponsored, trans-class myths, symbols, and beliefs.
18:58 April 3, 2011 by koolwind

thats the thing you got. "So burning a Koran in Florida equals the lives of swedish, norweigen, and romanian peace workers?"

Then why for the act of some Muslims, all Muslims are being measured?


Few Muslims can be wrong. not their religion. it is not written anywhere in Quran that you kill others just for the sake of things you mentioned. Honer killing, treating women as slave has nothing with Islam. Islam is spread all over the world, it could have some cultural influence also. Like in India hindu, sikhs and local tribes in south asia also do honer killing, treating women as slave etc. it does not means hinduism or sikhisim ae bad. all religion have common thing that they preach about Peace.
20:59 April 3, 2011 by technoviking
@ mojofat

Islam is fascistic in the sense that it seeks an authoritarian, totalitarian state that controls every aspect of people's lives. It represses freedom, is anti-individualistic demands a uniform collective identity and uses violence and fear to crush alternate ideas.

The face may change a bit in each incarnation and ideology, but it certainly meets the criteria with a different, more primitive spin...

@ mojofat

You are completely full of it. Even the most cursory reading of the koran/hadith will reveal passages that condone beating women, define them as inferior, exalt violence against infidels, condones the rape and enslavement of infidels, demands a slave tax from infidels and a plethora of other atrocities. Which explains clearly the violence and evil in the Muslim world.

Spare us your typical taqiyya BS lies for the multiculturalists. Maybe they won't check if you're lying. We already have.

And the results speak for themselves.
21:44 April 3, 2011 by Iraniboy

Who praised them? It was only Talibani Alqaidas who may praise them. Or the the rest of one billion Muslims should come and talk to you in person to prove to you they condemn this murder?! By the way mind if I remember you this fasciniating system that Syftfel is proud of was the one that funded the Alqaida in teh first place?! It was teh west that created Alqaida like a cancer among Muslims and now this cancer is used as propaganda to justify demonization of the entire Muslim population. That is of course the only way to justify these wars!
07:29 April 4, 2011 by isenhand

I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
10:57 April 4, 2011 by Dave N
Muslims always come out with the same old crap - such as : -

"Islam condemns the murder of innocent people."

According to the Koran there are no innocent non-Muslims - all are wrong-doers and disbelief is described as the greatest sin of all. Combine that with the Koranic instructions which give non-believers only the following choices and you see what we are up against :

1. Convert to Islam.

2. Accept Muslim supremacy (dhimmitude)

3. Death.
11:26 April 4, 2011 by motti

you are untruthful.

Moslems do indeed burn the bible, destroy synagogues, churches, temples, ancient buddhist carvings, murder nuns, slaughter babies and children deliberately by hand.

If the Temple Mount in Jerusalem is so holy to you, why do you allow young men from playing football? Jerusalem is never mentioned by name or al quds, in the Koran, unlike the bible. Holy places in Israel and in territory handed to the PLA have been burned, rubbished and daubed in paint and filth. Why? Because it is holy to the Jewish people.

Islam s the most racist religion of any organisation in place today. Moslems murder Moslems of a different sect. Moslems murder other Moslems because they black Africans. Moslems have slaughtered over the years (an still do today in most cases) Jews, Christians, Drusim, Hindus, Sikhs, and many other smaller religious denominations.

Your religion is full of hatred. The only love you have is that of death. No wonder many western people have become concerned at your actions which speak louder than your words. to thos who convert, many would appear to be losers, otherwise why would they try to murder others such as homocide bombings.

Golda Meier once said there will only be peace with the Arabs, when they learn to love their children more than they hate the Jews. Judging by the way, your terrorist leaders use children as a human shield in open conflict, that day is a long way off.
18:58 April 4, 2011 by Sheba
Ignorant rantings and ramblings at its best will not bring back the dead....of course there's no excuse to kill...but millions get killed everyday....there's no excuse to burn koran as well...what has the koran done to anybody....that pastor is a retard....everybody is on to Israel...for selling human organs of the p''ple they kill senselessly,committing genocide....i think they wanna do a holocaust on palestinians plus they are the biggest traffikers of children for sex...i hope somebody wipes them out of this planet
19:11 April 4, 2011 by technoviking
"Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces."

20:07 April 4, 2011 by motti
Sheba, you are a misfit in modern society with nothing to backup your fantasies.

The following of the Koran has done plenty by it's followers, see above.

The lie of sale of human organs, which were dead. They could not be used, only live ones will work, idiot. another lie. Are you serious that Israel commits genocide on Arabs? What planet do you live on? At the end of each war that you pursue against Israel, you need the help of Russia, the UN, the EU and even Great Satan to stop the Israelis from completing the job. And why? Not to stop genocide you idiot, but to stop your loss of face completely.

Your hero Yasser Arafart, died probably of AIDS. I write probably because the French won't confirm it. what is known is the

fact that was a paedophile, particularly boys.. His widow Suha receives a stipend of $16million per year from the PLA. That is western tax payers money. To receive this money, she must disclose information about the bastard's death and she must reside and stay on the island of Malta.

Yes of course you want to wipe the jews offf the planet. That confirms the fact you are born and bred to hate life and all DHIMMIS. Unfortunately, you are so ignorant that if the truth was laid out in front of you, you would fail to recognise it..

You have no respect for self or others and that is why you have no respect for human and animal life. You are a true loser. If life is so bad in the west and having to live with it's moral standing etc, why don't you return to your paradise in the deserts and caves, where you belong?

Swedes and others can judge what I have written above with your deviant fantaies
20:31 April 4, 2011 by Syftfel
I'm a Dhimmi. In a major way. And proud of it.
22:12 April 4, 2011 by wenddiver
Is there any other group so Socially backwards that they Kill United Nations Aid Workers? I mean really, people come to you, to improve your Cave Man life and you kill them. Utterly Sick.

It is fast approaching the time, when we should consider, putting the hostiles on Reservations where they won't have acess to weapons and dangerous technologies like WMDs or be able to kill innocents. If the hostiles leave their Reservation we could send the Army to go get them. The Children could be sent away to the eqivalent of Carlisle Indian Academy and trained to supervise the Elders who still believe in the violent Fairy Tale, until they die off.

This worked for the Apaches, Commanches and others.
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