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'We were all Americans, at least for a while'

The Local · 9 Sep 2011, 12:35

Published: 09 Sep 2011 12:35 GMT+02:00

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Olle Wästberg was stationed in New York as Sweden's Consul General between 1999 and 2004. He has also served as head of the Swedish Institute and is currently the coordinator for the 100th anniversary of the birth of Raoul Wallenburg in 2012.

Lena Ag currently serves as the head of the Kvinna till Kvinna Foundation, a group which supports women's organising in conflict regions and which Ag helped found in 1993. She has also worked as a communications advisor at the European Commission for Commissioner Margot Wallström, as well as in the Swedish Ministry of Justice, and for Greenpeace.

Peter Dahlen is an native of Delaware in the eastern United States who moved to Sweden in the spring of 2001 and served as President of the American Club of Sweden until 2007. Prior to moving to Sweden Dahlen studied and worked in Washington, DC, serving as a professional staff member on the US Senate Committee of the Judiciary.

Jaleh Taheri is a native of Washington state in the western United States who received a masters degree in 2010 from Lund University where she founded and now heads the Women for Sustainable Growth project at Lund's Center for Middle Eastern Studies.

Magnus Ranstorp is Research Director of the Centre for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish National Defence College (Försvarshögskolan) and one of Sweden's foremost experts on Islamic terrorism. Following the September 11 attacks, CNN named Ranstorp its principal terrorism expert. In 2003 he was invited to testify before the first hearing of the 9/11 Commission.

Beth Dacey is an native of Massachusetts in the eastern United States who has lived in Stockholm since 1993. In addition to contributing and blogging for The Local, she works as a copywriter/editor and intercultural communications consultant.

Tom Kelsey is a retired US diplomat who was stationed at the US embassy in Stockholm from 1999 until 2002. After finishing his diplomatic career in 2007, he moved back to Sweden and now serves on the Board of Directors of the American Club of Sweden.

Bitte Hammargren is a foreign correspondent for the Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper who covers the Middle East. In 2008, Sweden’s National Press Club (Publicistklubben) named Hammargren recipient of its major prize for her coverage of the Middle East. In March 2011, she and several other journalists published a book about the recent revolution in Egypt.

Where were you/what were you doing on 9/11?

Olle Wästberg: At home on Park Avenue and 64th Street in New York. I was preparing for an exhibit of graduation works from The College of Arts, Crafts and Desigen (Konstfack) in Stockhoklm. The students were just coming in when the planes hit the World Trade Center.

Lena Ag: I was at work when one of my colleagues yelled to say that something had happened in the United States and told me to turn on the television.

Peter Dahlen: I was in my office in Stockholm when an American colleague in our Frankfurt office called and told us to turn on CNN. We gathered around the office television and watched in stunned silence.

Jaleh Taheri: It was a normal day of my senior year in high school in Washington State.  I was on my way to school when the news from New York started coming over the airwaves.

Magnus Ranstorp: I was on a train in the UK heading to York and was probably the last person to see the planes crash into the towers. I received a call from CNN seeing if I could return to London. I ended up briefing Christiane Amanpour, who was their foreign correspondent at the time.

Beth Dacey: I was in a lesson with a client so my phone was off and we had no other media input. After work I turned on my phone and heard a message from another American saying she was frantically worried about our friends in New York and all I could imagine was there must have been a storm like a hurricane. I thought she was overreacting.  

Once in my living room I turned on CNN. The two towers had already collapsed at this point but I first saw the recap and images of the burning towers.

I stared at the TV until I saw the images of the two collapsed towers. I was in stunned silence and disbelief. I couldn’t process the reality of it and kept trying to convince myself it hadn’t happened.

Tom Kelsey: A colleague had heard a radio report and came rushing in to my office saying that we should turn on the television set that was sitting in the corner.

I couldn't believe what I was seeing on television, and thought that the plane crashing into the World Trade Center was a terrible accident.

When the second plane hit the towers, then we knew that this was an attack of some kind.

Bitte Hammargren: I as working as a reporter in the newsroom of Svenska Dagbladet. I got a phone call just after the first plane had crashed into one of the twin towers. The next second I was standing in front of a TV screen, so I saw the live broadcasting of the second plane crashing into the World Trade Center.

What was your immediate reaction?

Olle Wästberg: After a moment of doubt, I first thought of the group of Swedish students that regulary had class in one of the towers. Then I started to run to my office, twenty blocks south.

Lena Ag: Shock. I saw in real time how the second plane flew into the second tower and I saw them fall. It was a horrific experience and I immediatedly wanted to get in touch with my daughter and other people close to me.

Peter Dahlen: Horror, shock, and fear for my friends in the Pentagon and World Trade Center.

Jaleh Taheri: I was in complete shock. I thought something was wrong with the radio in my car and thought that it was some kind of prank.  But then when I arrived at school and saw people sitting around TVs, dazed, confused, crying and bewildered, I realised that this was going to change our lives forever.

Magnus Ranstorp: I knew immediately what it was, that only Osama bin Laden was capable of carrying something out on that scale. Back in London, I had the feeling that the city was under siege. No one knew if more attacks might be coming. I was also hit with a feeling of depression when I later heard interviews with people who had lost loves ones.

Beth Dacey: After watching nearly all evening until after midnight I went to bed. I got up in the morning to go to work. It was a sunny morning in Stockholm and all I could do was look around me and wonder how the world could be still carrying on.

I don’t know if I expected everything to stand still but seeing “normal” all around me from my apartment on Söder, along Södermälarstrand and into the Kungsträdgården area I kept expecting life to have changed and it was overwhelming to see that life was just going on as usual.

Tom Kelsey: At home that night, I was glued to my television, hoping for some good news, only to learn of the full scale of the attacks and the other two planes. A friend from childhood was staying with me for a few days and we both recalled where we were when President Kennedy was shot - another life-changing moment for us.

After a sleepless night, we reported for work the next morning and were briefed on what we all knew already, from watching CNN. The world had changed. Our world had changed.

Bitte Hammargren: Horror. At the time I was covering Swedish and EU political affairs. I immediately called the press officer of the Swedish Minister of Defence, Paula Burrau. She apparently got the breaking news from me.

The Minister of Defence, at that time Björn von Sydow, happend to be in a closed meeting with all the key ministers, political leaders and the Swedish king at the Royal Palace, a meeting of the Foreign Relations Committee (Utrikesnämnden). We learned afterwards that it took some time before anyone was allowed to intervene into that meeting to tell what happened in New York and at the Pentagon.

What impact did 9/11 have on your community/profession/group?

Olle Wästberg: One Swede was murdered by the terrorists, a 25-year-old named David Tengelin who worked in one of the towers on the 100th floor. Close to everyone in New York was affected of course, as were the Swedes there at the time. There was a gathering in the evening of September 11th in the Swedish Church in New York. I don't remember my worlds, but they were came from a state of chock, and from my heart.

Lena Ag: It's created a climate of fear that borders on distrust among people and groups. As a peace and women's rights activist, I feel my work fighting for peace and human rights has been made more difficult.

The developing optimism which infused the end of the last century, which culminated in common measures to eliminate poverty by 2015, came to an abrupt halt.

Peter Dahlen: For Americans and American organisations in Sweden it completely changed the tenor and tone of our events for some time. For example, we could not hold events at the US Embassy for a long time after 9/11. When we could resume hosting events there, naturally, the security was greatly heightened. Overall, and no matter where we held our events there were increased security concerns and a reluctance to widely publicise events.

Jaleh Taheri: There was a lot of fear and distrust.  People were scared.  Some people were depressed because they could not fathom that an attack like this could happen in the United States.

Hatred and discrimination against Muslims continued to increase each year after 9/11. It's a serious problem when one section of a society is so overtly hated and has become the token scapegoat for any and all political frustrations.

Magnus Ranstorp: 9/11 was a huge shock in Sweden, but there was still an impression that what happened in the United States wouldn't happen here. And the ensuing debate about the legality of the Iraq war muddled the issue here.

Beth Dacey: My home country and the country of my childhood and everything it focused on changed that day. If America ever had an innocence, it was lost on 9/11. Travel became something that was dangerous, Arabs and Muslims became the object of irrational fears.

People starting hating people who never harmed anyone. And if you were Christian before 9/11 but not active, you starting needing to allude to god in your life whether you wanted to or not. 9/11 removed non-religious people’s rights to not be religious.

Tom Kelsey: Almost immediately, flowers, wreaths and candles began to appear outside the Embassy gates, so many, in fact, that we had to move the makeshift memorial across the street.

I remember being stopped on the street in Stockhlom, a very unusual occurrence regardless of current events, probably by either looking like an American or being overheard speaking English, and having total strangers express strong sympathies and words of support.

Suddenly, I felt that we as Americans in a very safe city and country were exposed to unknown threats. I can't say that it was paranoia, but I do recall looking over my shoulder and into my rear view mirror much more often over the next several months.

Bitte Hammargren: I was about to start my new assignment as a Turkey and Middle East Correspondent of Svenska Dagbladet that autumn. I never had any difficulty filling up my working time after 9/11.

What impact did 9/11 have on Sweden/Swedish society?

Olle Wästberg: We were all Americans, at least for a while. Swedes went to to American embassy in Stockhoklm that night to pay their respects. A few days later, Sweden held a moment of silence for those killed .

In the long run I think Swedes have a tendency to forget. Even if the feelings in New York are more embedded now, 9/11 is still present in the city. But that's not really the case in Sweden.

Lena Ag: Sweden is a part of the EU and the international community and has clearly been affected by the war on terror. The EU quickly adopted a number of laws without enough transparency or democratic grounding despite it resulting in increased control of citizens.

Sweden also demonstrated it was ready to put human rights considerations aside to help the United States hunt terrorists. The deportation of Ahmed Agiza and Mohammed Alzery to Egypt are shameful examples of this.

Peter Dahlen: In the immediate aftermath, Swedes were extremely kind, caring and open. I still remember strangers in coffee shops, restaurants and shops expressing their condolences to me when they heard my accent and realised I was an American.

Jaleh Taheri: It's hard to say for sure, but I do know that hate crimes against Muslims and people from the Middle East have been on the rise since then.

Magnus Ranstorp: There was a different discourse here than in the rest of Europe for many years and from a policy perspective, Sweden was a bit late in bending the stovepipes of bureaucracy from a “need to know” mentality to a “need to share” mentality.

Swedes still have a hard time talking about the threat from Islamic extremism. The Stockholm suicide bombing in December 2010 was a huge wake-up call, but the debate is still extremely polarised and Swedes have struggled to find the middle ground.

Beth Dacey: Swedes witnessed for the first time the vulnerability of  the US, which up until 9/11 seemed to have a standing image as invincible and indestructible. I think the US became "mortal" in the eyes of the average Swede from that date.

In many ways, that gave Swedes the opportunity to feel sympathy for Americans. The date made Americans more "human" to the average Swede. It also added to the “loss of innocence” path Sweden had stepped on starting in 1986 with the murder of prime minister Olof Palme. And while Swedes were still shocked by the 2003 murder of Anna Lindh, it somehow still played into a continuing acceptance of a harsher, crueler and less secure world.

Tom Kelsey: I think that recent events, both here in Sweden and Norway, have brought home the realisation that we are all exposed, in one way or another, to the actions of extremists.

Bitte Hammargren: Islamophobia grew in Sweden, hate crimes against Swedish Muslims have been on the rise and the Islamophobic Sweden Democrats have been riding on this wave.

From an international perspective, Sweden got drawn into President Bush's so called war on terror. For Sweden this meant crossing a red line with the deportation of two “terrorist” labelled Egyptians by a CIA plane landing on Swedish soil. The CIA flew them to Egypt, where they were tortured. Sweden was later condemned by the UN Committee against torture and the deportations put a stain on Sweden's reputation.

In your view, how has Sweden/Swedish society succeeded in adapting to a post 9/11-world? Why or why not?

Olle Wästberg: We still think we live in an idyllic spot in the world here in Sweden. But even with two political murders and one suicide bomber - it still doesn't seem to really change our mood in a deeper way.

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Lena Ag: A main concern is that it's hard to get a handle on all the new laws that were adopted by the EU after 9/11 and which Sweden must adjust to. What are the long-term consequences?

The 9/11 terror attacks and the following war on terror has also led to a harsher climate in Sweden. We've seen how prejudice against Muslims has grown stronger, which affects many people's everyday lives.

Peter Dahlen: Sweden has succeeded in taking the necessary precautions and implementing heightened security measures without making the average citizen feel threatened or intimidated.

Magnus Ranstorp: One thing Sweden has been good at it taking a holistic view of the threat posed by extremism of all types and that the opposite sides often feed off of one another. It's important that we not be blinded by one and thus overlook the others.

But Sweden is like Japan, it's a consensus culture and no one wants to offend anyone else...it's a function of the Swedish model of inclusiveness which leaves us with an acute awareness that we shouldn't be stigmitising any specific community.

There are still people on the left who think that the threat of Islamic extremism is something make believe, while at the other end of the spectrum you have the Sweden Democrats who play on people's fears. But the debate about social cohesion and multiculturalism isn't going away. The question is how to manage it.

Beth Dacey: Sweden has managed to stay away from being overly paranoid even after suffering its own close call with a suicide bomber. Sweden has also stood stoically by its resolve to remain as open and democratic as it believes it should be.

Bitte Hammargren: Sweden is cooperating more closely with NATO, as we have seen in Afghanistan and Libya. These decisions are taken by the Swedish parliament, which is crucial. The NATO operation in Libya is solidly based on a UN resolution. But the ISAF operation in Afghanistan is so much more complicated.

In my view Sweden, needs to reevaluate the word ”stability” in its foreign policy. Turning a blind eye to human rights abuses if dictatorships were considered to be allies of the West or selling weapons to dictatorships does not mean supporting stability in the real sense of the word.

Looking back ten years later, how has 9/11 changed your view of the world we live in?

Olle Wästberg: Everyone lives in an environment with more risks. The world is a more dangerous place, and you feel it every time you travel. The big risk for prosperity and human compassion is that 9/11 started a development where nations have become more inward looking and more isolated.

Lena Ag: I feel the world has become a more insecure and hostile place after 9/11.

Peter Dahlen: I feel like the world is less secure -- wherever I am and especially when I'm in important buildings like the Capitol and near popular attractions that attract tourists.

Jaleh Taheri: The aftermath of 9/11 has shown me how destructive politics based upon fear can be in the United States, but also here in Sweden. We must ask ourselves where are the roots of intolerance and misunderstanding in our own societies. We must understand that human interaction and connectedness across the world is very complex.

9/11 also reminds me of how deeply interconnected we all are. We are all in this together and need to take the time to work together to make our world a better place for everyone in it.

Magnus Ranstorp: Islamic extremism is a real threat. If you ask people in the intelligence community, even though there may not have been any more major attacks, it's not because of a lack of trying.

One thing we've seen is that these things arrive in bunches, it seems and that the come with greater frequency and that no matter how much we prepare, they are extremely hard to prevent.

Beth Dacey: I’m more pessimistic toward a previously-held belief that we can all live in this world together and respect the diversity of different viewpoints.

Tom Kelsey: I feel that, as an ex-pat living here in Sweden that our post-9/11 world, and its security, requires the continuing cooperation of all peoples, and all governments. It's important to remember that We are many, and the terrorists are few.

Bitte Hammargren: I have become more cynical about Western governments. But on the other hand I think that the Arab spring, when ordinary people in the Arab world call for justice, dignity, accountability, transparency and democracy, gives a lot of hope for the future. The change will take a long time, but young people in the Arab world don't accept to be submissive to authoritarian regimes.

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13:59 September 9, 2011 by Lukestar1991
'We were all Americans' yeah, you can say that again. Only, if i'd know i was being ruthlessly brainwashed i think i would have quite rightly felt no sadness or remorse whatsoever.

If this has to be remembered, let it be remembered as the unspeakably cruel and calculated lengths that the US Government and its cronies will go to to scare and intimidate its own people and people all over the world, into supporting war and destruction to protect Tyrannical regimes whose only goal is to look after themselves and disregard everybody elses right to peace and freedom.
14:06 September 9, 2011 by Roy E
'We were all Americans...'

What a load of sappy nonsense that is.
14:13 September 9, 2011 by si
"We were all Americans.." - ..only in Sweden
14:24 September 9, 2011 by shahislam
Someone elusively just completely destroyed unseen my hour-long typing of highly beneficial 'honest thoughts provoking' good comments here and I cannot rewrite because of my severe back pain this early morning hours! It is painful but I shall be trying my best to recollect my precious thoughts again!

What I wrote in, as nicely as possible way, was my philosophical neutral views with examples of Somalian pirates and Pakistani, Indian, or Arabian /Semitic religiously totally blind murderers etc. that are the only threats and there are no more terrorists today in Africa unless a faceless money greedy opportunist groups or IAH's of the East and West may generate again some within a few days only just like bacterias.

The growth can be too fast if there was some suppressed anger against some kind of past injustice! The more stronger anti-bacterial-type treatments are tried to be applied against, the more terroristic resistance will grow. If left alone, the vengeful bacteria-type anger or products of dysfunctional mental sickness slowly get vanished automatically; that means: the criminals do not have to be killed but with the time their minds will cure, if awareness of wrong-doing for these unwise guys is generated by Medias like you (Yahoo's digital News, other good sources of news, even Facebook etc.) and Positive healthy thinkers /writers like me and others with neutral philosophy.

Please note that there shall always be some killers here and there just like recent Norwegian, US born ones that are committing heinous crimes too, but if the developing Medias of China, India tomorrow start to color the above normal criminals of the West and the bombers in the East as terrorists hired by the West (which cannot be true facts), then all of a sudden. newly rich and emerged some ego blind leaders of the East may start, just like Hitler did start wars for dumb reasons of controlling then business situations in 1912 and the killings of millions of good innocent public continued for years.

We, the West in 2001, unanimously agreed or not; angry US head: the Bushes impatiently ordered war of revengeful killings and by all means, especially wanted to kill Osama. b. Laden and up until now, total how many innocent soldiers and citizens of USA, UK, Canada, France, Italy etc. have been killed? The only benefited parties are Weapon and Oil dealers of the East and West and the final outcome of war for others in the rest of the world is nothing but painful memories.

The unwilling to perish humans suffered physical or mental pains of failed wishes at the very moment of their deaths and never to get back again and anywhere the lives they had right here on this planet Earth!

The playful Cosmic Creator that programmed human-sense of judging, is above humanly judgment of Right and Wrong (when natural disasters kill) but not any killer human; because in its mind conscience is programmed to be in normal balanced state with "50% Rule-Good or Bad" and again
14:45 September 9, 2011 by Lavaux
'We were all Americans, at least for a while'.

No you weren't. I am, though. And to be perfectly honest with you, although we Americans appreciate your empathy, we know very well that when the time comes to fight, bleed or die for your freedom, we'll probably have to do it alone. That's OK because we expect nothing more from you than to stay the hell out of our way.
14:54 September 9, 2011 by Mib
I can't remember, but there were countries around the globe who had people killed on 9/11. So....we are all human....not American. And let's not forget the innocent hundreds of thousands that were killed as a result of invading Iraq that was driven by the aftermath of 9/11despite no proven links.

Finally, the world media will cover this rememberance to those who died on that day, but the big scandle is the Firemen, police and many others who sacrificed their safety and now it seems their long term health as many are reporting suffering frm cancer and many other diseases which relate to breathing in the smoke from the collapsed twin towers. Yet, it seems that they are being ignored or at best offered small amounts of compensation. That for me is the real story of 9/11...but hey why get in the way of Government propaganda of another supposed terrorist threat and remembering 9/11 when real people living/surviving today are dying as a result of their unselfish sacrifices they made to save people during and after the terrorist act!!
14:55 September 9, 2011 by voiceofreason
9/11 only brought to light the deep hatred that Islam inculcates in its adherents for non-muslims. You are only human if you are a muslim basically otherwise you are like a lamb to be slaughtered.

Africans and Jews have suffered the greatest persecution of all people for ages but Africans did not bomb WTC neither did the Jews but oil-rich Saudis who have no justification whatsoever for their actions other than "perceived" injustice.
15:04 September 9, 2011 by Watchtower777
Let's just be humane about this, drop all the political BS and remember those innocent people who died. Regardless of what country it is, the innocent should never suffer at the hands of bad government choices. Don't forget *we* elected our President, and given the circumstances,what should we have done? Ignore the attack? Would Sweden have done that? Or look to its Allies for support.

9\11 forever changed my life and made me realize that all is not safe and secure in what we all think is our perfect world. It's a page in history, let's remember it as such and mourn for the families who suffered through a great tragedy rather than trying to place blame, you cannot change history.
15:07 September 9, 2011 by summo
I saw it more as the USA's foreign policy coming home to roost. You can only take the fight to so many, before someone takes it to you. The USA was innocent only in the sense it thought it was immune from attack, because apart from say pearl harbour, it has never had war on its home soil. Unlike most other parts of the world, especially Europe where we like a good fight every 50years or so!
15:14 September 9, 2011 by Lemon1987
American Democracy has fallen within WTC . From that moment its just ruthless capitalism with constant Intimidation including freedom oppresion in the name of global terorism ...
15:48 September 9, 2011 by Svensksmith
Well, siggy, the effects of the experiment have rippled around the world. Some good, some bad.
16:26 September 9, 2011 by Nikki Lindqvist
I'm an American, living in Sweden. I agree with "summo". It goes without saying that any time 'innocent' people are killed, it's an awful thing. Having said that... the thing that surprised me the MOST was simply that my fellow Americans were so surprised by the attack! I mean, I love my country, and the U.S. has done some good in the world. But the U.S. has also gone around the world doing some questionable things for decades. To think that something isn't going to come back and bite us in the butt is just living with our heads in the sand, isn't it?!?
16:39 September 9, 2011 by Marc the Texan
Wow. Can't believe some of the acrimony in this thread. I read this story as more about the victims and the shock of the event. Not all the other baggage.
16:49 September 9, 2011 by summo
The problem is the article makes it sound like the world has empathy towards the USA, it didn't ONLY towards the victims themselves in the towers or those servicemen/women who have suffered since. To those outside the US, with a reasonably worldly eduction, the fact one of the those groups who have suffered indirectly through USA foreign policy were willing to risk such a audacious attack was not a suprise. In the UK we had lived with the IRA(funded by US citizens, amongst others) for decades and knew all too well the link between politics and terrorism on home soil.
16:51 September 9, 2011 by MarshaLynn
I am disgusted with those who blame America for the Islamic jihadist attacks. Ah, so we do questionable things around the world, do we? Do you mean things like sending a lot of American taxpayer money to foreign countries to help their peoples? Do you mean things like saving Europe's butt in the 1940s? And since that time as well, as in peacekeeping missions and other things that keep the world safe from crazies? Europe is totally dependent on the strength of the USA to keep them safe from those who would attack them tomorrow if the USA did not exist. But then Europe criticizes the USA for doing the things that keep them safe in the first place. It's insane. What do you think all those American military bases are for scattered across the globe? Do you think that is just for our ego? I would much rather bring them all home and let you Europeans fend for yourselves. But that would endanger us, because you would be conquered in a heartbeat, and then we'd have an enlarged enemy to face ourselves. Honestly, I absolutely despise the liberal attitudes here and abroad. They don't intersect with reality at any point. And the snobby elitism of Europeans toward the USA is just disgusting.
17:00 September 9, 2011 by summo
USE have base around the world protect their own interest, no other reason.

US foreign policy in Israel has no impact on the average muslim country neighbouring it?

At least you admit indirectly that the USA only joined the fight for Europe to defend it's own interests (there is a pattern here).

Those liberal attitudes might help build the bridges (real and metaphorical) that the USA likes to destroy. Afghanistan will only end through talks, not war, just wait and see.

How many friends of Bush benefited through the Iraq invasion business deals, it's all about keeping the USA economy ticking over whilst you indirectly rape and pillage the world. Sadly it's the troops and their families who have to suffer the cost.
17:01 September 9, 2011 by Lemon1987
The most Heavy about this "9/11 thing" is Americans(not all but major part) just cant understand that their own gov betrayed them and blame other countries or nations as a result . I honestly blame role of US foreign policy only as a mediatorial link which leads to this all . An essential Evil is somewhere else to find.
18:24 September 9, 2011 by Gamla Hälsingebock
The World Trade Center building fire was the longest in New York City's history.

If you smelled it for as long as I did, your posts might be different.

Two people from my block died there.

They never hurt anyone...think about it!

18:31 September 9, 2011 by oldonpalouse
I was saddened but not suprised by the reaction of some of the comments.

I live in the northwest of the U.S. in a farming area of wheat fields. I am of, among others, swedish, scttish, and german decent. My wife is from Goteborg. I am a navy veteran.

We were entertaining her swedish cousin and her husband when 9/11 came. Although New York had seemed like a different country, 9/11 changed that. These are a few of the things I remember.

A friend's grandfather died in the midwest. He felt he should be there. Men with guns guarded bridges and roads along the way but they were helped on their trip by them. My four year old grandaughter said "I saw the plane hit the tower." We had planned to take a boat ride in the San Juans and finally did. A navy helocopter buzzed us and we waved. We were the only boat out there and felt guilty. I were was glad they were there. Our friends were to cross into Canada but the border was stopped up. The border guards helped them walk the three hundred yards to the peace arch. A flight of navy jets passed over as we stood in a minute of silence.

I have visited Sweden many times and can see the tremendous differences between the two countries. It is a beautiful area. I hope some of the commentors will reconsider their attitudes and instead put their strength into Sweden or whatever country they live in.

We in the U.S. criticize our country at times but will defend it as our own. I guess that is why so many people want to come here!
19:05 September 9, 2011 by Iraniboy
Alqaida killed 3000 Americans in the US for their stupid war on west and then occupation!

US killed 6000 Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan for their stupid war on terror!

Now tell me who has killed more Americans?!

We are all Americans but Americans have killed more of of themselves than anyone else!
19:14 September 9, 2011 by imnokuffar
The majority of swedes are like the root vegetable eaten in England. They are called also called Swedes.

They are harmless, tasteless and of poor nutritional value.

Being vegetable like, they don't really care about anything as they think the farmer will always look after them when the weeds of Multicult and PC begin to clog their roots and alien entities invade their space.

Bye Bye Sweden.

Your day is done.

Welcome to the Sharia

Unless enough of you have the courage to stand up and fight.
19:14 September 9, 2011 by calebian22
"Hatred and discrimination against Muslims continued to increase each year after 9/11. "

Allah was praised by everyone of the attackers. Taheri learned nothing in her Middle Eastern studies about Islam if she is surprised by an ever increasing hatred of Islam. Tolerance of an intolerant religion like Islam, is foolish.
19:24 September 9, 2011 by rybo1
America should take care of its own people and leave others alone. I left America many years ago and am grateful for doing so. The country I grew up in changed for the worse long before September 11, 2001. What happened on September 11, 2001 just made a bad situation worse. My native country is a failed nation and a basket case. Why Swedes love America so much, simply baffles me. Must be the cars.

By the way, lots of the people who died at the Twin Towers were not American, even some Muslims were killed there. Lets stop this celebration of death. All of the dead Iraqis and Afghans can't celebrate this dance macabre.

Oh yeah, I forgot, "God Bless America".
19:31 September 9, 2011 by Yunis
Shame on any of you for not understanding that Israel did 9/11 ten years after the incident.
19:42 September 9, 2011 by Addendum
As in post 21, I was in NYC following the attacks. I most remember the smell and the endless flyers and papers with messages and people's pictures, posted by loved ones searching for those who were lost. It was heartbreaking.
20:13 September 9, 2011 by local-aam
People who still believe that the Muslims did the 9/11 attack should commit suicide without delay. Because, this earth simply does not need such stupids who are connected to internet but in 10 years of time couldn't learn the truth.




21:06 September 9, 2011 by idealist707
Comment: There is so much misinformation, hatred, etc. here that it is difficult to decide what to deal with.

Who am I? An american, expat since '65, and resident in Stockholm since '68. I did two years military service as a officer in the Army, leading field tests of combat surveillance equipment. I designed a computer system for reporting progress on 3,000 construction line items in support of the Vietnam war. I did electrical design in Bangkok for USA B-52 bomber base. My credentials thereby are good as to being a patriot, a non-thinking one which was typical for that time.

In spite of that, I feel that George and Co. planned and executed 9/11. The evidence exists on the web for anyone to see. Detailed analyses refuting the possibility of the crashes/fires bringing down WTC by an Underwriting Laboratories engineer, Association of Architects and Engineers questioning the validity of the 9/11 Commission. The list is too long for here. But if you are open.minded; hopefully not a lover of conspiracy theories, you will find the info easily accessible. From Cheney's declaration, I paraphrase it: "The major next step in a necessary upgrade of our military capacity will require a major event, just short of war......" Don't have the quote at hand. That was said at a gathering about 2 years before 9/11 in a speech he held. And will round off with a reminder of Operation Northwood, signed by Lemnitzer and sent to JFK, whom then moved him from Chairman of the JCS to Europe. This was a false flag operation by US forces and agencies to motivate an invasion of Cuba,

Will end by blaming us all: for being easily socialized, taught obedience in both MIND and deed to superiors, and having built mental models since childhood, we are unwilling to take the effort to find facts and examine carefully their alternative meanings, which may tear down our comfortable models as a consequence.

My generation's hero, FDR lied about the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor. And LBJ lied to the public (and Congress) about what Vietnam would develop into, and what it would cost us, and how long it would take. And the most important thing that Obama has done is to show that racism and bigotry still reign-------along with the hidden wielders of economic power.

Is it so, dear fellow humans, that the profession of politics is not one of compromise as so often is said??? Rather it is one of deception using campaigns of lies. Such as the "hate the Hun" campaign which got us into WW ONE. Only now it is "hate the islamic terrorists"----or the muslims around them.

What we do and have done to cause such hatred which 9/11 was said to be an expression of, is another and very long history. Begin with Noam Chomsky, for example; and Daniel Ellsberg's "Secrets".
21:32 September 9, 2011 by Mib
@idealist007 Evidence? Come on.......are you telling me that hundreds of people...which would have been necessary to carry out such an operation....have been able to keep quiet for 10 years wthout anyone coming out to say it was a conspiracy? I could understand a scenario that they knew the attacks were going to happen but did nothing...but again...the silence of so many.

The US Government...not the citizens are a corrupt, self serving horrible bunch of people that in some scircumstances should be tried for war crimes.....but I don't believe that the US Government could have carried out such an operation without 1 or more people breaking their silence....I mean 3000 people died and much more in Iraq....and Afghanistan.......Governments make mistake after mistake...time and time again and so there is no way that they could have carried out an event of this scale without making lots of mistakes.
21:39 September 9, 2011 by calebian22

What ? Two years in the Army is supposed to give you credibility? I agree with you on the non-thinking aspect. Not much has changed, obviously You are someone in need of medication since your Reynolds wrap helmet seems to be malfunctioning. Call the VA. They might be able to help you in facing reality.
22:09 September 9, 2011 by godnatt
Islamic terrorists, tin foil hat nutjobs and an astounding swamp of ignorance.

This thread has it all.

NYT this is not.
22:18 September 9, 2011 by Coalbanks
No surprize. Given the degree of inequality of power, resources today it's no surprise that some would react against the wealthy minority who use the major share of the world wealth. NO, I do not mean the individuals who died deserved death. I mean that the nations who use more than they need will face the resentment of those on the short end. Better that the wealthy help the poor, reduce overuse esp from those poorer nations. How long will food poor natios sit back while food is exported to the so-called First World?
22:47 September 9, 2011 by omansour
FIRST: those who attacked the WTC and any other places in the world are terrorists without a doubt! No religion including Islam embraces such criminal acts. But governmental officials always win with their lies and fabrications.

The bombing of the WTC has brought hatred against Muslims and their religion which is interestingly increasingly spread all over the world (despite the propaganda! you may google it if you like).

Of course, at least for me, there are political and economical dimensions of this. War nowadays is business and for the US and its allies to make business there should be war so more weapon production and more colonization (and more oil-control). The war against Iraq, Afghanistan and other places are just marketplaces for these war-makers called the US army. And those westerns who are blind then they should understand that the US has swallowed Arab governments making them slaves for their dollars. This is not "perceived injustice" this is a true and real domination that cause injustice and hatred. The proof is what we see now in the Arab world because of the revolutions. The US was a close ally to Mubarak, the one who has tortured his people, protected the agressive Israel, denied the rights of his own people and made half of them 40M+ poor, etc....the yemeni president who gave his family complete authority over Yemen is a close ally to Bush and many others.... Westerns, not in a general sense, lack some real realization of what happens in that part of the world. And lets not forget its also business for Osama bin Laden, I dont know why, but I am sure it is for a billionaire like him it sure is! He wanted maybe to be the Amir of Muslims by doing that who knows! So it is not Islam that has led to these bombing even if the bombers are muslims but greedy and colonization desires are the driving forces behind that.

Its a simple scenario to prove this: how could the US control oil in the world? They should control the middle easy? How can they control the Mideast? Invent something to occupy it? How can you occupy it? By something like 9/11. Ironically, they accused Saddam for that and occupied his country and now we talk about Osama bin Laden, do these people think others are stupid?

To sum up, for me, 9/11 shows the greediness of the west and the blindness among westerns. People should've looked at new ways to understand things. Islam was just a tool and it is a good tool because the planners know the mentality of Muslims (if those who know understand what I mean). And now people are stuck with that. OK what happened there was a tragedy JUST because people died, but what has happened in Iraq is also a tragedy, God knows how many million innocents have been killed.....
23:54 September 9, 2011 by Investor612
I suppose one should have expected the absurd conspiracy theorists would be out in force.
00:51 September 10, 2011 by local-aam
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01:04 September 10, 2011 by matona1
'We were all stupid at least for a while'
01:09 September 10, 2011 by jack sprat
Sadly it took 9/11 to bring America to it's senses regarding terrorism.

Up until then they were quite content to turn a blind eye and in some cases even support terrorist fund raising operations in their own country.

What a different kettle of fish once it happened in their own backyard !
01:40 September 10, 2011 by sjuttiosjusköterskorpåsjukhuset
Why bring such divisiveness to the issue of Ground Zero and 9/11? A radical feminist on the New York City Fire Department (NYCFD), Captain Brenda Berkman, is interviewed by "Huffington Post Women" and is now whining about how women were not represented in their rescue efforts during this tragedy. She, and "Huffington Post Women" have reduced this tragic event to a gender issue, literally right on the eve of the decade anniversary mourning for the victims of 9/11. Why can we not see this tragedy as a HUMAN ISSUE, not a nationality, ethnic, racial, or gender issue?
03:21 September 10, 2011 by lavenderblue
I agree...This is a Human Issue. Fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles all died in this unfortunate incident. Regardless of political beliefs, religion or any thing else that tries to divide us, we should remember we are all humans. We all are worthy of respect, love and kindness. This isn't the time to berate governments or spout propaganda or point fingers of blame; we should remember those who died and their families. It is as simple as that and if that is hard for you to understand; I am truly sorry for you, but will still respect you, love you and respect your opinion because you are still worthy of that.
07:27 September 10, 2011 by Lavaux
Hey Nikki and summo: If your idol Obama manages to succeed in his socialist quest to ruin America's economy and confidence, then you will get a chance to see how the works with China at the helm. You may despise America because you focus entirely on her mistakes rather than the enormous good she's done (e.g. liberating Europe from Hitler, liberating East Asia and the Pacific from Hirohito, keeping Europe safe from the Soviets, etc.). You will most certainly hate China, who will do no good and make few mistakes.

Hey MarshaLynn: You're my kind of American. I hope there's still enough of us to stop Obama in his tracks and restore America's economy and confidence. Vote early and often in 2012.
08:07 September 10, 2011 by summo
Obama is not my idol, he is no different to the rest. Nobel prize for what?

China will be the next global power regardless, they could raise and army bigger than the USA population if they wanted to. What they naval fleet slow grow too.

USA did not liberate hitler, USA forces were less than 50% of D Day, Hitler was already struggling against Russia, the USA know Russia was a longer term threat, hence the push to Berlin etc etc...

Oh, USA on nation to use Nukes on other people, harder a claim to fame.

The USA only ever kept it's OWN interest safe from the Soviets, that what it's always about. Be it, Europe, Iran, Korea etc.
08:12 September 10, 2011 by mkvgtired
local-aam, very classy. A story about an awful terrorist attack, and you tell people to kill themselves. Good job. And calling other people stupid? Ever hear of the pot calling the kettle black?

It seems like when 3000 people die, America had it coming and should have seen it coming. When no one dies in Stockholm (dont consider an attempted mass murderer a person), it is an atrocity and completely out of the blue. Good comments guys.

Coalbanks, clearly this is off topic, but please check which countries export food. Believe it or not it is not the 3rd world. It is the first world countries, with the US at the top. No clue where you get the notion that 3rd world food is being sent to the first world, when it is exactly the opposite.
08:39 September 10, 2011 by Onepack
"Can't we all get along?" A quote from Rodney King after he was stoned in

Los Angeles, California back in March, 1991... 10 years before 9/11. Now I know why Christ was so frustrated during his life time... He could see the lack of progress in the development of human compassion and understanding, despite great strides in technology and material possessions. What I see is the destructive power of religion and cultural.

I have no answer; only a yearning for a day when we "can all get along" regardless of race, creed, color or culture. Guess that's what the "after-life" is all about. Good luck, humanity. You're gonna need it!
08:51 September 10, 2011 by local-aam
@mkvgtired: In comment 29, I indicate the same group of people as stupid who should commit suicide because they are so lazy in finding the truth.

The US govt. plotted the 9/11 which is black and while by the investigations performed by the scientists, architects and engineers. So, USA killed 3000 people on their on land and then killed millions in the name of War On Terror.

People are not stupid in fact but they are so lazy and love to call Muslims terrorists without any justification. Did the people who called Muslims terrorists ever thought how do the Muslims feel who did nothing about 9/11 but get attacked, killed, raped, massacred and still called terrorists.

The truth is, even if you study and explore the truth and find that it is not the Muslims who did 9/11, you will never ever call that party a terrorist. You will never call USA as a Terrorist.

The biggest blindness of the most educated westerners is that you don't see anything bad in yourselves and always judge hearing from one side only.
09:27 September 10, 2011 by calebian22

Your insanity is astonishing. Black and white must mean something completely different in the world in which you live. I am glad I don't live in your Mom's basement with you.
09:44 September 10, 2011 by Céitinn
All I'll say is this. The motto of the SAS is 'Who Dares Wins' and the motto of the US Special Forces is *Oops Friendly Fire'
10:48 September 10, 2011 by local-aam
@calebian22: Things will appear quite astonishing if your vision is narrowed within your work, apartment and weekends only. Unfortunately, the world is not as fare as most people think it is. If you compare yourself with the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine, you will find that you have been living in your mother's womb safe and sound but in complete darkness.

A clarification: the word "suicide" that I used in #29 does not hold a dictionary meaning but a way to knock the brain of the people who are endlessly self complacent about their unjustified beliefs.
11:23 September 10, 2011 by Robbie619
The U.S. may not have made up the majority of forces against Hitler but they were the most effective. I don't care how big China's military gets because there is much more to modern warfare than numbers. Dropping nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the correct choice because there would have been many more deaths both civilian and military if we would have invaded.

For all those that hate America, who else would you want ruling the world? There will always be a top ruler not matter what time in history and we are lucky it's not the Ottoman empire still in power or the Soviet Union. I just took an interest in this site because I went to Stockholm recently and loved it. I wouldn't want to live there but it's cool to visit. I noticed in talking to swedes that everyone thought war was unnecessary at all times. I thought to myself wow you guys are delusional. No wonder mulsims rape your women and get away with it, you guys have no backbone.
11:57 September 10, 2011 by godnatt
Interesting that every Muslim posting on here is justifying or making excuses for 9/11 or blaming America for it.

No surprises there, I guess.
17:13 September 10, 2011 by mkvgtired
local-aam, I have read those ridiculous sites in the past. All of them. I still dont buy it. There have been countless other studies. Popular science, National Geographic, etc. All say the same thing. With the impact destroying much of the structural steel, the ensuing fires would be enough to weaken enough to cause the collapse. Not sure why I'm telling you this, I know it will not change anything. You need your delusional theories to keep keep your hatred of the US burning.

Muslim extremists did carry out the attacks. End of story. The part the US can be faulted for is not having its intelligence agencies work more closely together. All the pieces were there they were just not in the same place.

Just because its in "black and while [sic]" on the internet doesn't really mean much. I dont know if you knew this everything on the internet is not necessarily true. For instance look, you're posting on it right now.
17:46 September 10, 2011 by suckfist
Just think of what a profound change post 9/11 U.S. foreign policy has had on Swedish demographics with the flood of Iraqi refugees.

Talk about unintended consequences...
17:46 September 10, 2011 by Grahamsmjöl
I think the Russians did more than the Americans against Hitler. Glory hunting Yanks.
19:41 September 10, 2011 by Investor612
LOL. According to SF the US is responsible for Sweden's insane immigration/asylum policies.

Here's the deal. Over across the Atlantic we have our own insane immigration policies to correct. You correct your own.

By the way, how about all the refugees who fled Saddam?
20:41 September 10, 2011 by Grokh
"we were all americans" except the people that worked and inhaled all the toxic stuff and got tons of diseases and cancer, after 10 years the american congrass just passed a law to take care of those people and it doesnt cover cancer which all of them have because of inhaling the thick poisonous air.

At this point im proud to say im not an american, im sure my own country would take care of the people who rush to its aid.
20:45 September 10, 2011 by summo
you mean the refugees who fled Iraq when the US went in, more are living in Sweden than the USA despite the USA's vastly bigger size. So much for the USA helping out those in need or impacted by it's foreign policy, but I bet they are happy to import Iraqi oil?
21:30 September 10, 2011 by lavenderblue
Seriously people? Good gods, this isn't about politics, placing blame and who is right or wrong. It is about humanity joining together in the face of tragedy.

I understand the problems faced by emergency responders. My uncle worked with agent orange in Vietnam clearing jungle to build things as a Navy CB and lives with cancer, lost a kidney and other health problems as a result.

My husband is a police officer who has had to respond to the Cypress Structure collapse with Loma Prieta and the Oakland Hills fire two years later, and riots after a Superbowl.

Emergency responders know the risk they take every day when they go to work, they also know that there may be physical repercussions as a result.

My husband has lost the feeling in his "gun hand" caused by permanent nerve damage from numerous back/neck injuries after a career in law enforcement. So when I say I understand what the families and first responders are going through, I really honestly do.

How many of you actually lost a loved one on 9/11? The plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was heading to San Francisco, where I live. Many people in my area lost loved ones. Two of my neighbors, one next door and one across the street lost loved ones that day-a man on the flight that crashed in PA who was one of the men who fought with the hijacker and a woman who worked in one of the twin towers.

Three of my close relatives were on airplanes, one in route to NYC, when the planes hit. People died that day and lives were changed forever.

This isn't about politics and all of that BS. It is about the people who were lost on that day and the families that survived. I don't understand for the life of me how this topic has denigrated into finger pointing and political rhetoric.

It doesn't matter...what matters is the people who were directly affected by those events. Do you think my neighbor cares about who is responsible or the political fallout? No...she lost a cousin she loved dearly.

Do you think my neighbor who lost a good friend cares about all that? No, all that family knows is that the young twins lost a father who they will never, ever get to know and a good friend they will never see again.

So when I think about 9/11, I think about my neighbors, the children that lost parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles. I think about the worry I felt over my father-in-law, who was flying to NYC at that moment. I think about my father and brother-in-law who were both on airplanes. I think about my neighbors and their pain, hurt and tears.

That should be what this is about, not all the other stuff.
22:58 September 10, 2011 by theteacher
Colin Powell talks to Al Jazeera

Former US secretary of state discusses his regrets at being the face of false intelligence on Iraq:


False intelligenceo or lies fabricated to motivate the war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?
00:45 September 11, 2011 by lavenderblue
Seriously? Who cares what some politician said. It is not bringing those who died back nor does it honor their memory. People can discuss all the political BS they want, it will not change one thing. It won't bring those people back from the dead.

It is easy to sit and talk propaganda or link to some politician's comments.

Would you still do that if someone you loved died? Would you think it was fitting to talk about politics and point fingers at a funeral or memorial?

This event is still an open would for many and for the life of me I cannot understand why someone would belittle the memories of the dead by bringing politics into the discussion.

If you lost someone or if someone close to you lost someone, you may feel differently.

Shouldn't this be about honoring the dead and the people who helped to save the survivors? Shouldn't this be about healing those wounds?
01:54 September 11, 2011 by local-aam
@SIGMUND FREUD: Please don't take anything personally. Like most other people I also believed in the official story of 9/11 for quite sometimes. I invested at least one hundred hour studying ins and outs of it.

I don't know if 9/11 really affects you in any way. But I am a sufferer because of it. I am not alone, the family members of the people died in 9/11, the firefighters who were the first respondents are not believing the official story by NIST, FEMA and they all demanding a real investigation.

People who lost their friends and family members feel the 9/11 most and thus they have been looking at this matter from the beginning.

One good thing with America is that it really has some devoted scholars. People who fights for the truth. The 9/11 truth movement is driven by people of America. It's not so long when these scholars and activist will unveil the truth in front of the world and thus help USA to be a better country.
04:18 September 11, 2011 by Grokh
@SIGMUND FREUD ... You dont like me because i pointed out how the american government took 10 years to pass a bill to take care of the first responders, who have been dying as a result of breathing the twin towers rubble , a bill which does not include those who got cancer for inhaling asbestus ...

you're.... an idiot.
07:43 September 11, 2011 by calebian22
Local aam

I can't speak for life in those countries (although Palestine is not on any map I own) you mentioned. I don't care too either. They are muslim countries. I wouldn't be free there. More importantly, my daugher wouldn't be free. However, your insanity is due to your belief in conspiracy theories. As researchers just discovered, 28 percent and 38 percent in the US and Europe, respectively, have some form of mental illness. No wonder conspiracy theories are so common. So don't feel bad. There are a lot loons to keep you company and many of them can be found at those websites you haunt.
09:02 September 11, 2011 by Robbie619
Anyone that thinks 9/11 was planned by the government is an idiot. People hijacked planes and crashed them, committing suicide! They hated America, wanted to attack America, and sure as hell wouldn't take orders from the American government if they told them to crash those planes. Well just like anything there are always idiots believing any conspiracy. People make tons of money off of you idiots.
10:38 September 11, 2011 by vetukurirajesh
say we are all humans, becoz iam from india they are more attacks from terrorists in india and more people lost there lives but no other countries care about it. but when it comes to america they all say we are all americans????
12:03 September 11, 2011 by PoJo
It's such pity to see that after ten years, people have still got their eyes wide shut and believe everything that the mass media says. Do your own thinking please! Do not believe whatever is served to you! Regarding 9/11, I have for a very long time, believed that the disgrace was to be attributed to some freak extremists out there. But say, does the american government EVER release any proof that this was true? And oh, wasn't this the perfect excuse to start a war against "terrorism" a.k.a oil hunt? As one commenter said above, there more more American lives sacrificed in the stupid war, than in the tower attack.

Start looking at what G. Bush senior has said ten years prior to the 9/11, start looking at what Bush junior has said, start looking at what Cheney has said, start looking at how controlled the demolition of the towers was, start looking at real testimonies of people who were present that day. This event was long premeditated, spoken about in the media, portrayed in movies, books, whatsoever. Noone can make me go back and think that this was a terrorist attack.
15:22 September 11, 2011 by macgowans
It's incredibly sad to see a country as great as Sweden produce such intellectually weak people. Cheney and Bush were idiots, yes. Obama won the "Peace prize" for absolutely nothing, true. The US had no business invading Iraq... agreed. But, on 9/11 innocent people were killed. Thousands of innocent people were incinerated and crushed after a group of extremists took over jets by killing those aboard who were employed by the airlines.

I don't care one way or another whether you like the US, or Americans, for that matter, but I'll be damned if I'm going sit back while trash my country for reacting to the Taliban. The Taliban were warned to hand over Bin Laden, but they chose to protect him, and so sealed their fate. al qaeda declared war on a country with the balls to protect itself and its citizens - AND YOU against threats from extremist organizations and you have the guts to call us inhumane???? Shame on you - shame on all of you. Pull your heads out of your collective asses and take a look around! The real world is a dark place filled with thousands of people who gladly give their lives to murder a few westerners (including Swedes).

Grow up.
15:52 September 11, 2011 by Gamla Hälsingebock
9-11 was an event planned and executed by agents of the news/communications media, because they were running out of headline stories.

All of the other groups accused of complicity in this disaster are innocent.

You can look it up!

Would I lie?

You can trust and believe me, because as we all know, the holocaust never happened.

But of course you knew that.
17:02 September 11, 2011 by godnatt
@ Céitinn

Funny except US special forces are actually engaged and tested in real perpetual combat vs. modern British forces who's biggest talent is letting camera crews in to film their training and film reality shows.

They're glorified Boy Scouts until the US uses them as a D squad as a courtesy so they don't get too soft on chips and beer.

Nothing like a good armchair quarterback to talk a big game.
03:32 September 12, 2011 by jswede1149
I am a Swedish American. First, the death of innocent people is wrong period.

What happened 9/11 is the result of America's abuse in the middle east. The only reason the US government (err Corporation USA) cares about the middle east is because of crude oil. Read Tyranny of Oil whom was written by an former insider of the oil industry.

People will only tolerate government adding and removing dictators, bombing their countries and attacking their people for so long in the name of profit and greed.

When I return from my visits to Sweden, I am always dumbfounded by the amount of cars and traffic in the USA. Americans expect to get in their cars and they expect cheap gas. So many people are brainwashed here that they do not put together what has happened for the last 110+ years. If gas were to rise to the pris in Sweden, many Americans would do as Swedes do-- bike, own very fuel efficient cars and walk.

It saddens me to think one of the real reasons why all those people died in 9/11 is due to oil. Americans are so preoccupied with upside down mortgages, lack of jobs and constantly near collapse economy that I feel the 10th anniversary lesson is loss.

My newest concern is what is going on in Sweden with these terrorist. Sweden?? really??
07:11 September 12, 2011 by macgowans
@jswede: I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the greed of corporate America. Our government is so entangled in corporations that it basically allows itself to be run by the CEOs of enormously powerful corporations with ties to businesses and governments around the world. This melting of government and business has left little room for any real concern for humanity within our own country, much less the countries of those we choose to exploit.

With all that in mind, and much more, the fact remains that thousands of innocent civilians were killed on 9/11. The attacks were not limited to the Pentagon or other military installations, rather they were carried out in such a way that would leave the US little choice but to attack those responsible for the massacre of innocent lives. The attacks were cowardly and unwise. There was no direct benefit to the terrorists, or to Islam, other than to gain publicity for their "cause" and extremist views.

These attacks, and other similar acts of terrorism, do not bring to light the struggles of the peoples of entire nations or religions, but instead serve to diminish world views of entire nations or religions. Islam and Christianity teach tolerance and peace, but there will always be the extreme few who interpret the Quran or Bible in a way that suits their needs and manage to create a following of people who truly hate those of differing religions or even race.

I will never condone acts of unprovoked aggression by anyone, regardless of the situation they might find themselves in. To attack the US or any of it's allies over facts listed above is not going to change a thing for the better. A better solution would have been for them to attack their own government - to make real change they must first start at home. Oust the leaders who are making millions of dollars from corporate America and put into power a leader with primary concerns for his/her own country and its citizens.

As far as our views of the US and of corporate America: nothing will change unless people like you me stand up against what we believe is wrong. As long as the American people keep voting into office leaders with ties to the corporate world or to powerful lobbyists of corporate America we will continue to allow our government to behave in the fashion it has grown accustomed... to behave in a greedy and inhumane manner.

Peacefully protests can help, but only if the numbers are there
10:06 September 12, 2011 by rafa1981
What is clear for me is that the official version of the 911 smells fishy, come on, how can a paper passport (Mohammed Atta) be found on the street coming from a full of fuel burning plane that melted the steel of the towers? The official story is full of inconsistencies like that.

Intellectually weak the Europeans? Were are the mass destruction weapons of Saddam Hussein? they didn't appear anywhere and we also sent there our soldiers, the same to Afghanistan. The key point here is that our elites have common interests with yours (I would say that they are the same people), so we all have our soldiers there, whatever the business is in Afghanistan or Middle East our politicians, think tanks, lobbies and elites want the same, we are in the same boat.

Experience shown me that there is no point in discussing this matters with European official version believers, no one changes opinion, it's a time waste, so to do it with native Americans makes even less sense because they suffered the attack in their soil.

BTW, there also no evidence showing that the attack are coming from Israel or the US government, smells fishy yes, but there is no proof, so an intelligent individual can't 100% assert any of the versions.

And of course I'm with the victims and the families, whoever did that deserves to be paid with the law of retaliation, it´s just that the current evidence doesn't satisfy me, I'm in my right to think like that and I have arguments.
13:19 September 12, 2011 by ShadowKiller
Well... Here we go for another round of crocodile tears and rememberance for "innocents that have perished for no reason".

Don't get me wrong, wanton death of civilians by any armed group is always deplorable, but I really find it morally disgusting how these "innocent" individuals are remembered, when - just as ONE case example - a total number of an estimated, whopping 576,000 Iraqi children between the ages of 0-7 DEAD by the end of 1995, are shoveled under the carpet of human consciousness. This estimate was based on the fact that the US promoted and upheld economic sanctions against Iraq; Madeleine Albright suggesting that the then US administration "thought that this 'price' was worth it" and effectively earmarking these poor children as "collateral damage".

The typical 20th Century tactic of the U.S. - that has earned it the reputation of "they don't like us, because we are free" - is that it requires the natural resources and assets of other nations (and I am not dupe enough to believe there aren't MANY Western nations that deal in the same way). Hence, the govt supports, finances, trains and defends tyrannical, dictatorial thugs who enrich themselves and support the expropriation of national resources for the gains of private owned US companies, at the EXPLICIT detriment of the indigenous masses, both economically and in terms of their freedom. A number of coup d'etats have been promoted - often when the incumbent socialist leader(s) wanted to use their national natural resources to alleviate poverty, foster national independence and economic prosperity - and were coined as the "toppling" of communist regimes by the US news. Then comes the 2nd round of "help" (for one example of this, read Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman, which to my experience as a development economist is a "watered" down version of the truth), quite often as "aid" and loans at exorbitant interest rates, that ultimately, the same repressed indigenous population has to pay through taxes. The "aid" packages include an overwhelming majority of contracts tied to US companies to build that other nations infrastructure. "Free" international US help/aid, as I read on this discussion board: "My foot!". To cut a long story short, and set aside the abject poverty in 3rd world countries these policies have created; the number of civilians killed worldwide, directly or indirectly, by the US in the past century, amounts to 10s, if not 100s, of millions.

If you want a good synopsis of US involvement cum 20th Century foreign policy in Guatemala, Honduras, Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Iran (Mossadegh's), Indonesia (lets not forget the extras, which are not all mentioned in this book Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, post-Saddam Irak, etc. ): I suggest you read Naomi Klein's book "Shock Doctrine". (... post continued below...)
17:41 September 12, 2011 by AmericanInSweden
True this may not have had anything to do with terrorism. However it's not easy defending a country that everyone wants to live in. The U.S. has long been known as the "SuperPower" and comes to every other countries aid in a time of turmoil. How quick some of you are to say "Americans are stupid" "Wake Up Americans", but if and when Sweden is to ever need aid, I wonder who they will rely on for assistance. The inexperienced Swedish Military can never compare to the U.S. defenses not to mention The US is the only nation that maintains naval, air force and ground troops in nearly every part of the world, from South Korea to Europe to the Persian Gulf.
17:49 September 12, 2011 by summo
the USA only maintain forces around the world to protect it's interests, being it oil tankers from the gulf, or trade from China, it's not for the greater good of the rest of the world. The USA only comes to the aid of those it thinks will indirectly benefit it, didn't see much US involvement in Libya, because it doesn't have any real oil interests there.

The USA is the rape and pillage global super power and not everyone wants to live there, those who suffer in the 3rd world are willing to risk their lives to live in any western nation. USA business leaders like Gates etc, have done more for those in need than any US president.
19:04 September 12, 2011 by Icarusty
"We were all Americans"

except for the non-whites (even Americans) of course! I find it amazingly hypocritical, that Swedes can show sympathy towards white Americans when terrorism reaches their shores, yet show blind ignorance, even hatred, when terrorism happens in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's as if innocents can only be white people.
22:31 September 12, 2011 by Smallnose
"We were all Americans", not even two months ago "We were all Norwegians", do we have an identity crisis overhere?
03:10 September 13, 2011 by Roy E

I can't explain it. Maudlin cliches must be really, really cool in some circles. To me, they just sound sappy and pathetic.

9/11 is just a harsh reminder that if ignore centuries old clashes of civilizations and drop your guard, you leave yourself open for a sucker punch. And so America got sucker punched by bunch of cowards. As did the UK, Spain, Australians (Bali), and India.
07:59 September 13, 2011 by grymagnusson
Where on earth do you Americans get this notion that "everyone wants to live" in the US - is this something that is fed to you on the side of milk cartons, next to the section with the latest abducted kid in your neighbourhood.

No wonder you get a shock when you finally apply for that passport, leave the homeland and actually talk to people from other countries.

If you are referring to Mexicans or other desperate inhabitants of the developing world - they'll go anywhere where that can have some outside chance of earning some money to support their families. There is massive emigration to all of the world's wealthier countries - you are far from alone here.

It is a disgrace that so many Americans use this developing world desperation as some sort of reference on their society when they, just like the EU, treat economic migrants so shockingly.

Sure I know a number of other, educated westerners, who also spent time across the pond but they are either a) already back home or b)grossly overweight and thus unable to move anywhere.
09:50 September 14, 2011 by Robbie619

It's true that many wealthy countries have immigrants but more of them want to come to the US than anywhere else. We have about 25 million undocumented immigrants, that's more than the entire population of Sweden! We also have millions more documented immigrants and they rarely leave this country because even though we have flaws we still have more opportunity than anywhere else. We treat our immigrants much better than you by the way. I'm latino and when I was in Stockholm I met Chileans that said it's really hard for them to get a good job there. In my state of California we have tons of minorities that manage or own businesses and they probably make more money than most of you Swedish people since we pay lower taxes and have higher spenders here. I know we have many poor people in our country but that is usually their fault. Capitalism punishes lazy people but rewards the hard working and ambitious people, which is the way it should be. I've seen plenty of homeless and they are usually drug addicts.

Another thing, you guys will be begging us for help when someone invades you. I wouldn't put anything past Russia or Islamic extremists. I like the Swedish military uniforms but you guys would get destroyed in combat.
15:49 September 14, 2011 by burito
God bless America!The only country who still have the "guts".
10:38 September 15, 2011 by ShadowKiller
The 'Shock Doctrine' is a beautiful expose on the meritocratic success of a nation that has prevailed due to its "hardwork", toil and globally exclusive entrepreneurial spirit. No foul play there, just sporting economic athleticism.

Even though I am new at the Local.se discussion board, let me ask a rhetorical question that once got me kicked off another discussion board: if the American-national individuals who died on 911, who all belonged to the "greatest democratic nation in the world", who had the right to vote, speak and ask for accountability from its govt actions upon other countries be considered "innocent victims"... Then, how can 576,000 children - i.e. 'children' as in they can't voice their opinion like adults - who live in a dictatorship, be considered "collateral damage"? Do we have a rememberance time/day for these kids? Nope.

So "NO!". I am not American. No way. I don't share their dodgy ideology nor warped sense of "justice". And I will NEVER support nor condone their immoral acts which they let their media brainwash them (and some of us) into believing are fights (read "wars") for 'just causes' that "cowardly" European nations won't support them with, just in order to further their own (US) economic fortune. And, from a democratic, free-speech perspective, I will not validate their stance of "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists" to be anything else but dictatorial; and since this is done for nothing more than economic gain, facist.

Like any school yard bully, the US looks very "solemn" and chivalrous when dispensing the punches, but cry like babies when they get hit.
10:58 September 15, 2011 by burito

Its obvious where the smoke is coming from,and WHOM you represent here.The mulas did good job by washing your brains.Answer is simple-all terorists will be held acountable for their actions,no matter in which hole will they hide...
14:51 September 15, 2011 by cupidcub
Take my word: Within 10-20 years, an American President would shamelessly admit that 9/11 was an inside job and it was done "for a reason".

Now people are finding out the truth that happened in 9/11 which I assumed 10 years back on that very day. Muslims don't even have the brain to plan such an attack, honestly.
17:56 September 15, 2011 by ShadowKiller
@ any self-acclaimed young donkeys: The answer remains the same RE your claim: "No"... I'm not brainwashed by any Islamic fundamentalist. If they give a similar, historically detailed synopsis of the US's "helping" the world that I did, then they, unfortunately, have a point. However, I expect their dogmatic fundamentalist rant to be more along the lines of "you're either with us, or you're with the Americans & we'll get you wherever you are". ;o)

And by the way, Robbie619 who's having a go @grymagnusson... You might want to know that income and wealth distribution (known in economics as the Gini coefficient) has shown systematically since India's independence (1947) a lesser disparity in distribution than in the US. On the opposite side of the scale, Sweden's average over the past 60 years is the lowest, i.e. Sweden is the country with the least income and wealth disparity on the planet, in other words the most equal. India suffers of an endemic caste, claimed to be 2500 years old, that has plagued social mobility and yet has fared better than the US in the last 60 odd years with regard to this accepted indicator of "equality". To classify "have nots" as lazy drug addicts, rather than individuals that might have suffered generations of poverty and lack of opportunity and associated vicious cycles, is a truely "colonial" and ignorant attitude.

Interesting about your hand-picked Chilean immigrant sub-population census as your proof of Swedish "racism". I wonder why they didn't rather immigrate to the more proximal US, like you, rather than cross the whole bleedin' planet to come to Sweden. Better socio-economic support? Sweden had open arms when the US was nicely supporting Allende's overthrow and inception of Pinochet. I don't know which "lazy, homeless drug addict" Chilean you met here, but the ones I know have never claimed being discriminated against. Any idiot with a modicum of historical knowledge and experience of living in Sweden as a "non-white" immigrant would think your argument is garbage and unfounded. Sweden shows no more "nationalism" in regard to employment practices than any other nation on this planet. On the contrary, if you lived here, you'd know they are very open and accepting of productive foreigners and the indigenous majority wouldn't "bunch categorize" the less fortunate as "lazy, homeless drug addicts". Did you ever consider that apart from native Indians, ALL U.S. Americans are immigrants? Discrimination in the U.S. due to one's immigrant status would be at best hypocritical.

You are gravely mistaken with your pseudo-racist "claims" and such deliberate, grotesque and uninformed accusation can only undermine other legitimate claims to racist policies and thoughts. And that's coming from my brown-faced, recently immigrated to Sweden self.
13:26 September 17, 2011 by Opinionfool
Some lines of English poet John Donne from his poem "For Whom the Bell Tolls" come to mind whenever I think about the anniversary activities for the events of 2001 in New York, Pennslyvania, and the Pentagon on September 11th of that year.

"No man is an island/entire of itself"


"Each man's death diminishes me/For I am involved in mankind"

I was certainly diminished by those events. A friend died in the collapse of the World Trace Center, and had been there when a different bunch drove a lorry laden with explosives into the underground carpark in 1993. A relative of another friend also died in that collapse.

However, the reading of the names of those who died sickens me. Who is reading out the millions of names of those who died in the intervening years from drought and famine --- famine that could be avoided if US-centric trading practices were abolished and the grain feed to cattle were diverted to feed the millions without any food.

The death of my friend in WTC diminished me. The death of a friend's relative diminished me. The death of millions every single year diminishes me, diminished us all more. The US sees itself as an island entire of itself but they are not. And much of the famine that afflicts other and pooerer nations is created by that isolationist attitude.

Until the names of the ever increasing millions are read out I will be sickened by the sound of my friend's name being read in jingoistic fashion every year.
11:59 September 19, 2011 by shahislam
A smart and right move! Men can solve man-maid problems for sure, if an unseen approval is there.

This move will force some imbalanced minded greedy business guys out of USA but after a while they have to come back to our Great North-America and restart their businesses by agreeing to pay taxes at higher rates because this territory will still be the best on earth for living a better citizen's happier life.

Moreover, the economic booms in places like China, India etc. are temporary because 'trade controlling switch' is in our hands.

We are still blessed and can prudently print globally absorbing more of our money now to play a balancing positive game and still choose a plan and start, effective immediately, to repay debts for over an extended period. We cannot help a deteriorating relationship because China is not honest in dealings and therefore, will be the last party to get paid unless its businessmen follow the new standard to be amended and reset by a newly strengthened UN power.

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