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Military drops grenades in northern Sweden

Oliver Gee · 19 Jan 2012, 15:33

Published: 19 Jan 2012 15:33 GMT+01:00

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Military training teams have been left stumped as to where the grenades may have ended up when it was discovered the supply of training projectiles was a few rounds short when it arrived at its destination.

The training team in Boden, northern Sweden, is operating under the assumption that the grenades went missing along a 2.5 kilometre stretch of road during the transportation of ammunition to the depot at the I-19 army base.

A grenade search was launched, and the area was combed over thoroughly, including 20 metres off to each side of the road.

As of late Thursday afternoon, however, no grenades had been found, and the search was called off.

Wilhelm Guldbrand, a spokesperson from the I-19 base, guessed that someone likely found the grenades on the side of the road and took them home.

The grenades are meant for use with the m/48 model Carl Gustav recoilless rifle.

While Wilhelm claims the grenades are safe, he told the local Norrbottens Kuriren newspaper that the weapons “should not be handled, or even touched, by the inexperienced.”

While the grenades, which are meant for use in a grenade launcher, lack warheads, they nevertheless contained active propellant charges, and are used in army training excercises.

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The weapons are in pairs, and the three packages carrying the missing munitions are described as being 50 centimetres long and 25 centimetres high.

Wilhelm urged anyone with information to contact the military immediately.

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20:46 January 19, 2012 by Nemesis
Hmmm, an explosive story :)
22:06 January 19, 2012 by Svensksmith
Good thing the Swedish military doesn't have nuclear weapons.

Or do they?
23:13 January 19, 2012 by Reason abd Realism
Oh so the army was deployed all over norther Sweden looking for fireworks, rather than actually doing something useful by patrolling the streets of Malmö.

Then again Sweden is probably part of some EU treaty that prevents any domestic military deployment unless the sky has already turned black under a sea of incoming ICBM's.
01:19 January 20, 2012 by Tanskalainen
I spray painted them gold and put them on the Christmas tree.
02:11 January 20, 2012 by rise
@ "Reason abd Realism"

The last time the Swedish military was used against civilians was in May 1931 when five people were shot dead:


Hopefully it'll never come to that again!
09:04 January 20, 2012 by zooeden
1: assumptions are the mother of all funk ups...

2: thank you for telling that it was a m/48 model Carl Gustav recoilless rifle. Now it has a description if someone wants to sell it

3: How exactly did they fell off??? were they coming back in galoping horses and they fell???
09:35 January 20, 2012 by caradoc
@reason and realism

What a strange name for someone who has a knee jerk reaction such as sending the army on to the streets of Malmö because of a crime wave.

Perhaps he would sugest ( in a reasonable way of course) the carpet bombing of northen sweden in order to destroy the grenades?
10:17 January 20, 2012 by Reason abd Realism

I am not advocating that the military open fire on peaceful demonstrations. This is Sweden after all.

Canada, viewed as a relatively peaceful nation, sent the army into the streets of Ottawa and Montreal after the kidnapping and killing of a politician in October, 1970, and no civilians were injured.

The Malmö police are understaffed, the border guards do not bother (and have no trained dogs) to look for weapons, the police are getting no legal help (no permission to wire tap weapons offenders to attempt to possibly learn of their next moves), and judges are giving lighter sentences to gangsters, so against that backdrop a visual presence on the streets is more likely to assist in keeping law and order than having the army freeze in their barracks all winter.

New video surveillance along some of the main streets has assisted in reducing the crime rates. The good thing about preventive measures like cameras or extra physical presence is that many crimes do not take place to begin with, so we are not left moaning at the trivial sentences handed out after some victim's life was ruined or ended, because their life was not ruined or ended in the first place.

I sat in a St-Petersburg Opera house on a few months after the Chechnyan terror attack in Moscow in 2002, and was pleased to see hundreds of uniformed army personel sitting in the rows behind me.

The hope that Malmö's murderers, thieves, and people who angrily shove over baby carriages atter robberies will 'start to be nice again', or whatever it is that you are hoping, is naive.

The army would provide temporary reprieve to legally and physically underequipped police force and law enforcement community, to give them and the politicians more time to set up an improved system to protect the law abiding citizens.
10:44 January 20, 2012 by caradoc
@ reason abd realism

I think that it is unreasonable to assume that a trained military is capable of taking care of street crime and organised gangsters on the streets of any western democracy. It has been shown time after time that armies are not suitable for this kind of operation.

The answer is a better trained and equiped police force and a concentration of efforts by them to deal with serious crime . I live in an area that has and continues to suffer from small scale street crime and the more serious problems of guns on the street (Seved i Malmö). The police continue to try to deal with and waste their time with a problem that has no solution ( soft drug sales) and get very little success with dealing with serious crime such as guns and organised criminal gangs.

Perhaps it is time for a serious debate within Swedish society as to the priorities of future policing and the sentencing of serious criminals.
13:56 January 20, 2012 by Reason abd Realism
@ caradoc

Agree that sentencing is trivial, and not only fails to provide a disincentive to commit any violent crime, it also puts the criminals back on the streets too soon.

As for the use of the military, most of the 20th century, and some of the 21st, up to and including today's grim situations in Syria and Egypt, would support your view that the military should never be used for anything domestic.

But that view fails to acknowlege that we live in a stable democracy in Sweden. No Musharaf will suddenly lead the troops from Malmö to Stockholm to commit a military coup, and the Swedish military in particular is already used to very restrictive rules of engagement from peace keeping missions, so they will not shoot at anything that moves.

A valid concern can be raised about the Swedish 'brand', but that brand has already taken a hit from the crime wave. If appearances are deemed important (and these can be, for tourism), then a few hundred of the army could be sent in wearing plain clothes, or a very subdued uniform, with maybe a concealed weapon and possibly a bullet proof vest,

They could then walk in pairs around parks and streets to run over to assist when any situation develops, such as when three scum taunt and surround and then rob a woman with a baby carriage,

By their presence these patrolers could also help to keep drug dealers off gynasium grounds. All infantry are trained in hand to hand combat, if scuffles with criminals occur, and may have infrared viewing equipment that will improve their night vision.

The border crossings already have uniformed police officers, so extra military staff (again in subdued clothing) to conduct vehicle inspections would make very little difference to law abiding people.

Not saying that the military has to stay there forever, maybe only for the 6 to 12 months needed for the police to increase their ranks and equipment, and for the legal system to change in order to help the police and the locals regain control of the situation (including changes to laws, and hopefully new minimum sentencing rules for violent crime).

The stability of the democracy here enables us to leverage security assets that, in a failed state, could blow up in our faces. Sweden is not a failed state, so in this situation these military assets can provide important relief by rapidly ending this violent crime wave, and making all law abiding residents feel far more secure.
14:32 January 20, 2012 by caradoc
@ Reason abd Realism

If you were to ask any Egyptian or perhaps Syrian if they could forsee that change for the better in their country could occur in 2011 or 2012 by street protest and that Mubarak would be appearing in court answering charges they would prob laugh (politley) in your face.

Putting soldiers on the street in plain clothes or uniform can only lead to disaster. What happens when the 1st mugger or angry youth is beaten or shot by soldiers untrained in controlling their fellow countrymen on their homeland ?

Do we demonstrate?

When we do , do you think that the very people we have given the right to control the streets to will be able to peacefully control us?

We have seen the results of putting the military on the streets in Northen Ireland .

It leads to more death and destruction and the strengthning of hatred of the system.

The only solution is a civil one. Give the police and the courts the power and the laws that are effective and stop wasting time in enforcing laws that few people believe to be worthwhile and perhaps the situation can improve.

Make laws that give a reall punishment for carrying guns etc.

Do not put more weapons on the street in the hands of people who are trained to fight and not to enforce civil law
15:03 January 20, 2012 by Reason abd Realism
@ caradoc

I disagree with you.

In Northern Ireland, half of the local population viewed the police as an occupying military force, and in Syria and Egypt, the military is acting violently and lethally against the will of (almost) the entire people.

A plain clothes military presence in Malmö would serve to neutralize and defeat a common enemy of all law abiding local residents, namely the criminals.

The plain clothes military support team would simply have no motive to hurt law abiding civilians or to restrict their desire to express their views, or to assemble for demonstrations.
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