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'Jihad Jane' pleads not guilty

TT/AFP/The Local · 18 Mar 2010, 17:49

Published: 18 Mar 2010 07:22 GMT+01:00
Updated: 18 Mar 2010 17:49 GMT+01:00

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Pennsylvania resident Colleen LaRose, 46, smiled and appeared relaxed as she denied conspiracy to support terrorists, recruiting militants, and agreeing to murder a Swedish cartoonist who had offended some Muslims.

The federal court judge in Philadelphia ordered Rose, whose blonde hair was done up in dreadlocks and a pony tail, to be held without bail until her trial starts May 3rd.

If found guilty she faces up to life in prison.

The rash of cases of so-called home-grown terrorists is a relatively new phenomenon in the United States.

LaRose's case is seen as indicating an alarming new development in which militants are drawn not from Muslim immigrant communities but from Americans born and raised in the United States.

In Chicago, another US citizen, David Coleman Headley, was expected to plead guilty Thursday to scoping out targets in India for the deadly 2008 Mumbai attacks and plotting to attack a Danish newspaper.

Headley was born Daood Gilani to a Pakistani father and American mother, but later changed to his mother's maiden name and adopted a Western first name, allowing himself to blend in more easily.

LaRose allegedly boasted in Internet traffic, where she went by the monikers "Fatima LaRose" and "JihadJane," that her looks allowed her to go anywhere undetected.

Her alleged recruitment drive targeted women with the kind of mobility to escape initial suspicion. They were to possess "passports and the ability to travel to and around Europe in support of violent jihad," the indictment says.

She is accused of trying to transfer a stolen US passport "to facilitate an act of international terrorism."

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The two further suspects alleged to be involved in the Vilks murder plot, a 45-year-old Algerian and a 33-year-old Libyan, will also face a court in Waterford, Ireland on Friday.

The pair are both currently remanded in custody, but on charges unrelated to the Vilks case. Further suspicions could be levelled against the men in court on Friday to support additional charges, on which an indictment must be brought within 40 days.

The Iranian government has now also entered the controversy over the Muhammad cartoons, which were originally published by the local Örebro newspaper Nerikes Allehanda in 2007 to accompany an editorial on freedom of expression.

After the alleged plot to kill Lars Vilks became known on March 9th, leading Swedish newspapers re-published the caricatures as a gesture of support for the artist, who has a $100,000 bounty on his head from an al-Qaeda linked group.

Iran has echoed calls from Malaysia for the Swedish government to act on what it considers a "desecration of Islam", adding its voice to a chorus of international disapproval, which also includes Pakistan and Egypt.

Malaysian foreign minister Anifah Aman denounced the publication of the cartoons in an unusually candid speech on Saturday, calling for the Swedish government to intervene against the newspapers.

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13:28 March 18, 2010 by Audrian
We expect the Moslem people to respect our customs, e.g., dress cod. On our part, it is it not resonable to respect their custom likewise? This small-town, journalist is stirring international dispute for the sake of cheap popularity. His foul statment has nothing to do with democracy, it is bad taste.
13:43 March 18, 2010 by here for the summer

This is not about dress ( which by the way Sweden even allows burkas ) . But about a fundamental aspect of democracy, freedom of expression. Without freedom of the press and freedom of expression democracy can not exist.


I never thought of it exactly in this context ( freedom of expression and democracy ) but there is lack of democracy in the Islamic world which leads to repression, perhaps even why many Islamic people have fled to Sweden and the West. Is the conservative interpretation of Islam that would deny freedom of expression perhaps part of the cause of the repression and lack of democracies in the Islamic world?
14:08 March 18, 2010 by Audrian
Re: here for the summer

How in the world would make Moslems democratic by insulting their prophet. How is it that a journalist is practicing democracy by insulting what Moslems value most.

For me the three pillers of democracy are the checks and balance of the institutions of the state, as well as regular election and freedome of speech, which insure that the system is not compromised.

Those Molems who do not adhere to these principles should not be allowed to come into this country. Those who changed their mind about democracy after they have come to Sweden should leave. It is an administrative matter: persons who come to live in Sweden have tacitly agreed to respect the culture and value of the Swedish people. Demanding that they accept an insult to their religion can not be part of this deal. What the journalist has done contradicts the freedom to worship principle.
14:52 March 18, 2010 by peropaco

Part of democracy is also having the freedom to express ones views. Lars Vilks did just that. Also from your comment I can see you perfectly agree with the killing of someone for drawing some idiotic cartoons of some fairytale character.
15:00 March 18, 2010 by sissygirl
"At this stage of the proceedings the lawyers are also permitted to raise certain legal questions, such as if the charges are constitutional. "

Hm...she will be tried in the USA. Masterminding a plot to kill someone is called conspiracy to committ murder in the USA, and I expect conpiracy to violate Vilks civil rights will be part of the charges.

I wouldn't appreciate it if someone drew Jesus in an insulting manner, but I wouldn't conspire to kill the artist.
15:09 March 18, 2010 by peropaco
@sissygirl. They have already made drawing of JC, yet, I haven't read or heard of any conspiracy to murder anyone.. I wonder why?
15:55 March 18, 2010 by Audrian
Re Peropaco. Large number of newspapers are closing down from lack of readership. Lars' paper is unlikeli to survive competition from iternet news. I see a sinister objective in Lars' bizarre behavior.

The Moslems in Europe do no have power to change anything. They are minorities. They are incapable of censoring Lars. Lars' claim is a myth.
16:13 March 18, 2010 by Greg in Canada
Jihad Jane will probably be doing some long time behind bars, maybe isolated from other prisoners for her own safety. All paid for by the US tax payer.

The Iranian governnment should shut the f*ck up and climb back into their mole hole.
16:19 March 18, 2010 by the fonz
If they don't like it, they could just ignore it couldn't they?
16:38 March 18, 2010 by peropaco
@Audrian, Newspapers are closing due to the economic downturn. I don't think Lar's behaviour was to keep up or increase readership. He was just expressing his views. Now, of course Moslems in Europe have the power to change certain things. They have buying power; they have education. But if they react in an irrational manner then it will only give people more ammunition to taunt them even more. You know, people love to tease the easily angered..

@Greg in Canada. Mole rat is the second ugliest thing alive; number one is the Iranian president. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole_rat
16:41 March 18, 2010 by sissygirl
Peropaco: Jesus said "Love your enemies", "Forgive those who offend us", "Turn the other cheek" etc,etc,etc.

The fonz: Ignoring the offense would be too rational. Rational people might choose to not buy the newspaper that printed the cartoon, or perhaps they might become a bit tiffed and write a strong letter to the editor. :)
16:58 March 18, 2010 by ChomskyReader
It's interesting to read what people think and say often saying, part of democracy is also having the freedom to express ones views.

Whether we believe in religion or not, we should respect others on their views and opinions right? We often don't however we should, was it right, regardless of the freedom to express, that any artist including Vilks draw demeaning images of Muhammad?

Remember when Madonna done a very trivial thing in comparison, having a black Jesus Christ on a cross in the "Like a prayer" video? It sparked outrage around the world, through the halls of power, business and the roman catholic church were livid at the thought, she was doing just that expressing through the freedom which she believed she could.

Having a black man as Christ was considered blasphemy. I disagree with what Vilks has done, and I do not sympathise with anyone who plotted to kill him, however, it seems like six of one and half dozen of the other.
17:09 March 18, 2010 by peropaco
@Chomsky. Regarding Madonna's black JC thing; no one threatened to slit her throat for that. Some people stopped buying her CD's and that was the end of it. The same when Sinead O'Connor said the pope was the devil. No one was hurt, no Irish embassies were torched. People just let out their discontent in another way.
17:09 March 18, 2010 by calebian22
A picture of Mohammed as an animal. Poor taste and disrespectful.

A picture of Mary Magdeline orally pleasuring Jesus. Poor taste and disrespectful.

However, we live in Sweden where free speech exists. Censoring political or religious satire is a slippery slope. Where does one stop? It is better to err on the side of freedom, even if it is distasteful.

Just because muslims are up in arms about this should not sway free speech. As a matter of fact, their overreaction to this picture and others like it give credibitlity to truth that is dressed up as satire.
17:12 March 18, 2010 by Uncle
Was there a plot to murder Madonna on this basis? Were there people beating their way into the door of Madonna with an axe, like they did to the Danish cartoonist?

Were there fires set on American embassies? Were there people dying in an attempt to break their way into embassies because of that?

I wonder why not...
17:22 March 18, 2010 by sissygirl
ChomskyReader: Actually, that wasn't a black Jesus. It was St. Martin de Porres, who really was black. I remember that video. Madonna kisses the saint (not a father/daughter type kiss) and she dances in front of several burning crosses.
17:34 March 18, 2010 by ChomskyReader
Still a blackman that got the white world and media in a pissed off state because he was black!

17:36 March 18, 2010 by sissygirl
But no death threats were made. And Madonna made millions.
19:24 March 18, 2010 by xykat
I wish we could throw these people out of the USA. They don't deserve to be Americans or live in the USA. And now the taxpayers will have to pay for their time in jail. Great!

What ever happened to shooting traitors?

These people have a real chip on their shoulders to plan terrorist acts against other American or European citizens.
19:31 March 18, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Freedom of expression at the cost of hurting the feelings of billion do not make any sense execept hate and creating distance from each other.

The extreem reaction and threats to the author is again condemnable but at the same time hurting the feelings of people by making cartoon of their prophet can not be appreciated. Peace
19:32 March 18, 2010 by sissygirl
Jihad Jane, LaRose, whatever her name is... she is an American. So we can't deport her. I can't remember for sure, I don't think the USA has executed a traitor since the Rosenbergs.
19:34 March 18, 2010 by Audrian
Sweden might be the most democratic country in the world; but this does not mean that there is no censorship: One cannot write to insult the public or shame the country. Lars wrote what he wanted to say because his statements did not offend the readers of the newspaper. Otherwise the job of editors is to edit (reject/accept) on behalf of his/her audience.

I would like to see Lars, the self appointed freedom fighter, bring his political campaign to higher level by disfiguring Christ the way he had disfigured Mohammed. For a start, I do not think his editor would allow him to do it. If he insisted he would sack him.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that his newspaper accepts Lars' article. Fundamental Christians from the US, Africa and Latin America will rise up in anger. The powerful right wing lobby in the US would demand Lars to be tried. CIA might be forced to kidnap Lars on the claim that he is inciting religious war and throw him in prison and "throws the key away."
19:47 March 18, 2010 by sissygirl
Nope Audrian, the US would not try Lars. The Christains would be mad, but the AMerican Civil Liberties Union would defend Lars right to free speech. That's the downside of free speech. You can say what you feel, but you have to tolerate others saying what they feel also.
20:02 March 18, 2010 by mikmak
@Audrian What do you mean by: "One cannot write to insult the public or shame the country." It's not like anyone will stop you writing that Reinfeld, Mona or the King are jackasses. In what way is freedom of speech censored?
20:03 March 18, 2010 by someoneonthenet
Don't compare current day muslims with western Christians. These muslims have lived formative parts of their lives with values comparable to values of Europe few centuries ago. Can someone point to any derogatory painting of Jesus/God from 6th century A.D. to 16th century, that did not result in death threats or actual death in Europe.

Any rational person will ignore these types of cartoons but since many muslims give more importance to their religion than anything else, some of them will issue threats and they should be dealt with by police. Media should simply report the threat, instead of making it a freedom of expression issue. If people in Sweden were considering to ban the newspaper or painter then it would have been a freedom of expression issue.
20:06 March 18, 2010 by Audrian
Re Sisygirl

Are you also saying that there no censurship in the US. I know for fact that journalists are not at liberty to report freely, e.g., recently CNN anchor was reprimanded for her relgious warriors program. The Jewish lobby did not like it. Also, the news report in Afganistan is censored by the military.

I agree freedom of the press in most developing countries does not exist because dictors are terrified of being exposed. Any honest article could bring down them down.
20:37 March 18, 2010 by ChomskyReader
USA is one of the most censured places on the planet, here is something quite off subject an advert for sanitory products was banned yesterday because the word "Vagina" was used.

I mean its the word for the part of the female body, should we be ashamed?
20:50 March 18, 2010 by Uncle
Audrian - READ how he depicted Christ. NO ONE rose in anger, NO ONE threatened his life. CIA did not kidnap him. He is not in jail. He is not fired. Nothing happened. People found it provocative and distasteful. That is all.

In Sweden they glorify suicide bombers in Museums and no one threatens to cut the head off the "artist". Iran makes a Holocaust cartoon competition and no one burns consulates or prepares assasinations. Jesus is depicted in most perverse ways and no one even plans any sort of violence.... Buddah is made fun of and no one hangs anyone... Can't you see the tendencies here? Really? Really hard to notice?
21:27 March 18, 2010 by Sjayna
By limiting the right of expression througt art,literature etc benefits those who use their power to suppress, threat people. There will always be moralists, fundamentalists etc who get hurt by controversial art, books, but freedom of expression should not have any limits at all.
22:00 March 18, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Equating respective social understandings and deeming these as standards to be adopted by rest of the world will only lead to a situation that what we witness today. Abusing each other faith should't be standards in this world, when we know that it will only lead to conflicts. The Christian regards Jesus Christ as son of God, so is Muhammad and David. If we can not respect them , at least we should not be disrespectful to them. Anyone who belive them feels hurted but the difference is someone gets over emotional.

It is more important to condemn those actions which hurts the feelings rather than indulging in the discussion of the after effects.
22:01 March 18, 2010 by chaliboy
let me just say one thing here, i have red most of the articles here and i would like to say that as a neutral person, i see Muslim faith as a complete idiotic, the followers are completely adamant, foolish and brainwashed.

why must you fight for mu-hammed? do you have more power than him? since he is superior as you think, why cant you wait for him to fight for both you and himself?

most of you guys have just wasted you life just because you were promised a better life afterward.

I am not a Swedish nor a christian but i urge you guys to embrace the right to freedom of expression before you die in numbers like fishes.

Shame to those of you muslim people who have been in west still you act like pigs. stop inciting violence here and there, you left you country because of violence, yet you cant repent.

you just have to be grateful to the swedish state who accepted you.

if you were in Iraq, Afghan, Lebanon, Serial and co would you accept others and give them the freedom like the west are doing to you?

common, change your ancient mentality!
22:37 March 18, 2010 by Prosweden
I feel the Muslims are trying to change the essence of a country by constantly wanting us to accomodate to your rules and religion.

You are welcome in any country as long as you are willing to respect , obey and not try to change our culture.

If you want seperate swimming pools, make your own private ones and or understand that your are the one to change when coming to this country, we are not changing for you. If you insist that you shouldn't have to adhere to the culture (or respect) of this country , I reccomend you go back to your country where your customs are respected.
22:39 March 18, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
@chaliboy... problems start here when you start using these kind of words... this is not freedom of expression.. I can pay you back in your own coin but I won't as I am "brainwahsed(according to your definition) " by Islam to practice tolerance and patience when face people like you.
22:58 March 18, 2010 by browneyes10
@ ali_bin_umar. Friend very well said.
23:33 March 18, 2010 by someoneonthenet

Every religion (some are less idiotic) is idiotic to people who do not follow that religion. How easily Christians in west forget or even forgive sexual abuse and cover-up by church. How about virgin birth (all Christians and Muslims believe it) ? Why did it take 16 centuries for them to realize slavery was wrong and 19 centuries to realize women were equal to men ? Just read bible and quran, they are not extremely different as most muslims and christians believe. I am not listing problems of Islam as most people here already dislike it more than they should.

@ Uncle

can you provide me name of some book or painting in which Jesus/God is insulted (just for the sake of insulting) from 11th to 17th century, which Christians accepted as they accept criticism now. How about law that allows death penalty for homosexuals in Christian Uganda ? How do Christians (especially in America or Africa) deal with abortion or homosexuality ? Just go to few Christian African countries and criticize god/jesus and see how tolerant christians can be.
23:34 March 18, 2010 by chaliboy
@ali_bin_umar....... Yea, i know what i mean by brainwashed and i have a lot points to back it up........... Just imagine when you come into a country as a refugee, after being supported by the government and the tax payers, you flew to your country to fight the same war (as many Somalians do) just because, u have got the passport and money through state support under humanitarian ground. Is this not a pure example of brainwashing? why cant you stay and work and then try to educate the millions back home on how to embrace the dynamic nature of the world?

The real fact here is that you can never solve any problem by just killing someone who is expressing his view (by making a cartoon). kindly leave this job for your Muhammad to do!

you don't need to pay me back because, i don't think i got any coin in this case.

i only want to inform Muslims that it is important they accept and tolerate other peoples opinion and views. Hindus and Christians never try to kill, it is only you guys that are always thirsty of blood. why should muslim organization put 100,000 USD on this mans head? why cant you use it to support those who are dying in your society? I mean, its is time for you guys to really wake up!
01:11 March 19, 2010 by harrylatour
I am a 69 year old Brit and I think it is paramount to keep our freedoms here in the West. ''My God'' do any of you remember Monty Python and the really deep parodies that they used? and here we are a few years on and we appear to be being pushed backwards by religious dogma.We should be able to bring anyone to book for wrongdoing whatever the beliefs involved,just look at the Irish Catholic child abuse cases coming to light! Is anyone here in the West going to say that it is OK to marry a nine year old girl,,,just because they are Muslim?? No,because we live by secular LAW here not DOGMA. That being so,,,if you live/move or imigrate here,,,live with it,,,or go back.
01:13 March 19, 2010 by bezjaj
Just take any arab newspaper and you find cartoons disrespecting all jewish.. Islam should be thrown into the gutter.
04:28 March 19, 2010 by Doing-Your-Mom

" Is anyone here in the West going to say that it is OK to marry a nine year old girl". Well, I swear to you that my barber gives her first birth at age 11 by a senior here in the WEST.

Mr. Brit. just respect your age and before you try to make intelligent argument go and read little bit about people's backgrounds. The 9 years old that you are talking about (Muhammed's wife) was engaged to another man BEFORE Muhammed. That means the culture and the social construction those days allow such things, just as how whites were taking blacks as slaves. I think you need to live another more 69 years in order to reason logically.


It has been proved that you are such a retarded liar. Anyways, Can you answer any of @someoneonthenet questions ?


You're such a buffoon!!! Most (If not all) arab newspapers make cartoons disrespecting all Israelis (NEVER EVER Jewish as you claimed!), Also, disrespecting disgruntled and lumpen elements who can't differentiate such as you.


"Hindus and Christians never try to kill"...... You are officially insane.....

There is a field of study called HISTORY and it has zillions of books. So before you make fool out of yourself like @Uncle, go and read how many muslims where badly killed in India by Hindus. They even killed the great man Gandhi who tries to step in and defend the poor muslims there because of the injustice.

Also, there is a continent called South America, go and read the bright history of how the Christianity spread there.

Finally, I challenge all of you to name for me 1 single case that has been reported officially and documented about injustice against Jews who live happily in Yemen or Christians who live happily as well in Jordan.

Pufffffff bunch of illetrate imbeciles..... nothing interesting about you. None of you ever brought any smart discussion... and none of you will ever do...
04:49 March 19, 2010 by here for the summer

you use this medieval version of europe and christian faith to compare to modern Islam in modern Europe. Isn't that the point. We cannot and should not go back to medieval ways just because a few people who hold medieval style beliefs on their religion or women's rights.

And isn't this lack of respect for absolute freedom of expression the problem in all these Islamic countries that results in these medieval beliefs? I do not believe democracy can exist without freedom of expression even the freedom to insult another's beliefs. If you do not like that move to an Islamic democracy .. Which one ? Is there an true Islamic democracy ? Iran ? Saudi Arabia ? Egypt ? Is there an Islamic country that allows free practice of other religions including the right to convert from Islam ?
06:28 March 19, 2010 by Makaveli
I bet a similar depiction of Jeus Christ would hardly stir up the same fuss..Does that ring any bells..Just something for y'all to chew on.
06:42 March 19, 2010 by Nordic Prince
@peropaco, Do you mean Muslims make cartoon about Jesus ? If YES, Then, show me some references ?

@harrylatour, What is the point of mentioning your age??? Do you think you will force people and earn their respect??? Do you think you still living in early stone ages when King of Britain forces people to bow for his shoes and kill the rebels as Iran now?

Well, fortunately a person earns respect by who he is, what he thinks and what is his value in the community. Never by age.

@Doing-Your-Mom, I tend to agree on what you have written BUT why on earth did you single out the Christianity alone in the way of spreading? What about others?

BTW, are you still arguing with the loser (Uncle) ......... good luck
06:58 March 19, 2010 by Uncle
@Someoneonthenet - look at the example in post #15. In addition go to Wikipedia and type "Piss Christ". WIKIPEDIA! Not some blogs eh?

Go to Google and type "Christ cartoons"... No one is beheaded.

Homosexuals are publicly hanged in Iran by the gov't . 9 y/o are given to be married in arab countries. Not talking about other perks of medieval times.

Now - you are absolutely correct. There are no christian cartoons 300-500 years a go. There is also no feminism. No public education or general literacy. No antibiotics. No democracy. No right of vote for women. There are public executions of witches. No protection for minorities etc...

What does it say about Islam?

You are also correct by pointing at some failing central african countries. However they are failing with Islam also (Chad, Somalia, Sudan etc.) There the reasons are a bit different, but definitely come close to the standards of sharia states.
07:04 March 19, 2010 by someoneonthenet
@here for the summer

My comment did not support behavior of Muslims in anyway (their behavior is horrible and needs to change as quickly as possible), it was targeted toward people who keep saying that Christians are very tolerant as if Christianity always was tolerant and Muslims were blowing things for past 1400 years.

Muslims (vast majority) can not unlearn everything from their childhood. Their values are very different, many can and do suppress some very bad parts of their religion/culture but when people start insulting their religion regularly, it pushes them further away from Western values. It will take one or two generations for them to accept Western values, to expect them to accept these values earlier than that is just a fantasy. If some people among you think that it is too long then only solution is to stop immigration or improving the screening program.

Media sometimes makes things worse by exaggerating everything, few hundred people out of hundreds of thousands protest some unfunny cartoons and one person in some third world country offers some reward for death of someone and everyone starts talking about freedom of expression as if freedom of expression is a problem or solution here. A rational approach is to provide security to person under threat and deal with people who offered the reward through police.

There is and never will be a perfect Islamic government (some muslims thought that Afghanistan (under taliban) was the best Muslim country and some never even wanted to visit it, same is true of "Saudi Arabia"), there are so many different versions of Islam that it is very unlikely that they will ever agree on most issues. The best hope for future is to educate them and counter some propaganda that most if not all muslims are bombarded with. To disrespect their prophet is just like banging your head against the wall, most of them have just heard positive things about him.
07:41 March 19, 2010 by Rick Methven
Both Uncle and harry have alluded to the crux of the matter without spelling it out.

This is the 21st century not the 11th.

Yes all nations and religions have committed acts of violence in the name of their religions but the majority have stopped, because the people saw that it was detrimental to society. The separation of church and state in Europe has prevented the minority nut cases from fomenting a war for their religious ideas. 30 to 40 years ago their was no jihadis around in the Muslim world. Muslims just followed their faith in a non aggressive manner and I never felt in any way threatened by Muslims anywhere. The thousands of Pakistani Muslims who went to the UK maintained their heritage but blended in with the norms of the wider society. Insults to Muslims where ignored. The radicalisation of Islam is something that has been brought about by politicians and religious leaders in countries where religion and the state are entwined.

To all you Muslims who are offended by anything said by a non Muslim about your faith, either go back to a country that does not allow such things, or learn to accept the laws and culture of a Secular society.
07:48 March 19, 2010 by someoneonthenet
My point is people can't change suddenly, you have to pick your battles wisely. There are some things that Muslims can and did accept very easily and there are some things that they will not accept easily. Things in Muslim world are bad compared to west but when you compare that to few decades ago, things have improved significantly.

Most Muslim countries have very low literacy rate and they have not had the time to gradually change their values and customs as Europe did, to them west is imposing western values on them and many of them resist it. Once you start insulting their religion/prophet just for the sake of insulting, it makes it even harder for those countries to accept western values.

Most (not all) countries have some lower age (usually in late teens) that is required for marriage, similarly in most countries homosexuality is still a crime but in many countries it is ignored by police.

Just imagine would women have received the right to vote at the start of this century if you attached that to marriage for homosexuals, abortion, etc ?

You have to pick the fights that are important and that you can win, if you aim for perfect world, then it is extremely unlikely that you will achieve anything.
08:46 March 19, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
@Prossweden... "If you insist that you shouldn't have to adhere to the culture (or respect) of this country , I reccomend you go back to your country where your customs are respected."

In Islam we have to respect other religion, culture and values and if these do not suit muslims then Islam has the flexibility to opt to leave that place peacfully.. I agree what you said... if todays muslims are trying to create problems in any other society, it has nothing to do with Islam , as things are very clear, simple and defined in Islam.
09:47 March 19, 2010 by Uncle
@someoneonthenet. Well said.

What they do in their own countries is their own business. However the problem arises whenever their behaviour spills into Europe, US, Africa, Latin America and Asia. They actually DEMAND from YOU to behave like they do here in your country (or continent).

Demonstrations in Holland, Belgium and Germany demanding sharia law "autonomy" within these lands, their own marriage rules, money loan rules and blood feud rules are not so rare.

Take a look at their behaviour on this forum... Whenever it spills onto you - it should be stopped firmly.

Rick - Islamic radicalism is going back to the Muslim Brothers in Egypt and Black September in Jordan. Actually the switch of many progressive arab leaders to a more secular wway of rule ignited this process, not vice versa. As you see - moral progress in these countries causes the opposite effect than intended.
09:58 March 19, 2010 by M-Larson
Muslims will be very happy and will never hurt an ant if these actions have been taken:

1- Return their taken land Palestine fully.

2- Europeans and Americans stop supporting Israelis criminals by weapons and money to kill kids and innocent people.

3- European Union and US must stop supporting are illegitimate Arab dictators who rule Muslims.

4- European Union and US must stop poking their nose in Muslims' business such as invading their countries and stealing their oil.

5- European and America thieves ought to return everything they steal from Muslims (Such as: The Netherlands: should return or at least share the profit of exploiting Indonesian resources. France should pay back for the poor Algerians who were affected badly due to nuclear tests, I needless to talk about the biggest thieves "UK & US" because those should pay the whole world not just Muslims, Spain should shut up and give independence first to Catalonia and Basque, then, negotiate with Morocco to give Western Sahara its independence…etc)

Finally, you will never find any Muslim in Europe nor US.
11:38 March 19, 2010 by bezjaj
Islam the peace religion has accomplished so much in the last 500 years..as .. ehh..and .. hmm...anyway.. The golden age of Isalm was in the 1200, when they killed, raped and started the slave trade from Africa.. That what they wish back..Just take a look at the Kopts in Egypt.. Treating peolple like that is next worse worse than living in Hitlers camps.. Religion of Islam..best joke in history.
16:57 March 19, 2010 by sissygirl
M-Larson: "Finally, you will never find any Muslim in Europe nor US." Huh? Are you saying there would be no Muslims IF these things happened, or do you mean that there currently are no Muslims in the West? If it is the last, then what are all these imposters in the service stations?
18:08 March 19, 2010 by DeadPrez
Audrian- thank you very much for that quote

`Demanding that they accept an insult to their religion cant and wasnt part of this deal`
18:21 March 19, 2010 by M-Larson

Who taught you English?

Because you need to be reeducated!
19:09 March 19, 2010 by sissygirl
M-Larson, I learned English from my American schools, American university, and American parents. Your statement is conditional. I asked for clarification. Your smartass reply was uncalled for. And you did not answer my question.
19:23 March 19, 2010 by M-Larson

There would be no Muslims IF 1,2,3,4 and 5 happened, because I think they wouldn't be not interested to waste time in Europe or US. I felt those are the major problems which Muslims suffer from.
19:47 March 19, 2010 by sissygirl
Thank you for your clarification. :)
20:56 March 19, 2010 by Uncle
Khm... khm... Mr Ford... You are telling about foreign agents infiltrating your house for like 5 threads and I still did not get how is it connected to any of the threads... Just a side comment here...
03:57 March 21, 2010 by wenddiver
She isn't going to Prison for the rest of her lif,e probably for "Conspiracy to Commit Murder", not being Islamic.

She is a common criminal, attempting to murder people. Soon she will be living in a world of Lesbian prison rape, illegal drugs, forced prison tatoos, crazy fellow inmates, violent assaults, racial fights, gang fights, constant theft, room mates who make alcohol in the toilet, exposure to TB.

May she be truely grateful for what God has granted her.

@sissy- Check M-Larson's diplomatic credentials, before begining negotiations. I don't think that the world's Muslims ever got together and decided to give up on Islam if we help the Palestinians. NUTS! ; )
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