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Suicide bomb attack 'planned years ago'

TT/The Local/gm · 9 Apr 2011, 17:48

Published: 09 Apr 2011 17:48 GMT+02:00

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The Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) newspaper reports that the bomb attack in central Stockholm may have been more premeditated than was first suspected.

The 30-year-old arrested recently in Scotland and is believed to have assisted suicide bomber Taimour Abdulwahab is said to have ammassed money in four separate banks in preparation for the attack.

The suspect, who is still being held in Scotland, is said to have acted as financier and may have even started planning as early as 2003.

Svenska Dagbladet reports that the man could have started making payments to Abdulwahab starting in June 2009, some 18 months before the attack in the Swedish capital.

The latest revelations prompted terrorist expert Magnus Ranstorp to wonder how come Abdulwahab had not appeared on the radar of the security services earlier, bearing in mind his financial activity.

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"It could prove that he has a broader range of contacts and longstanding communication with various groups," he told SvD.

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20:04 April 9, 2011 by technoviking
So much for the "crazy lone wolf" misinformation about this guy...

How many more are lurking around?

How many more are being indiscriminately granted visas as we speak?
20:36 April 9, 2011 by wxman
Another blonde, blue-eyed terrorist. Round them all up!
21:03 April 9, 2011 by Thompsuleme
very funny wxman.
21:37 April 9, 2011 by eddie123
hmm... the media and their theories.
21:43 April 9, 2011 by Nemesis
Terrorists never work on there own.

They always have leaders, trainers, supporters and financiers. They have a whole supoort network.
22:05 April 9, 2011 by Syftfel
We already know how regular decent Swedes feel about this event, so save your comments. . But it would be interesting to hear from liberals, socialists, and so called "moderate muslims" (whatever that is). How do you liberals, socialists and moderate muslims feel about this? How do we protect Sweden from further killers like this useless stray dog? Whats' the answer?
22:18 April 9, 2011 by DJECKY
send them all back to the middle east.let them kill themselves there please.
22:49 April 9, 2011 by muscle
I have this belief that all the people, who commit any crime in countries that are not their homeland should be punished very strictly. They should respect the countries that gave them shelter.

I agree with it.

Now, please understand this as well, many people who blow themselves up, do not go for it because they love it or have some belief about killing. Many of them are pressurized by influentials who might have made hostage their family members or loved ones. What would you do if someone tells you that blow up or your kid will die?

it looks like a movie story doesn't it? but it happens for real ok.Right now, you may say, that no you should tell the police and stuff.. but when you are faced with such situation, you do get dumb understand.

So, try to get hold of people who are behind it, not these people who commit these suicide bombings! This goes for general cases. Perhaps this guy did it on his will perhaps he was planted, we can not say anything. Try to find the network that supported him!

It's hard, but this is how you need to proceed. Sweds blamming the immigrants or immigrants blamming the sweds or "WEST" is a total useless topic and waste of time!
23:14 April 9, 2011 by irridium
@muscle yes, let's feel terrible for the poor suffering suicide bombers. I think you have 'muscle' in your head rather than brain.
23:37 April 9, 2011 by Boyfriend
I have listened to lecture speaking about the reason why a Group of people become a terrorist. He continued and said for someone to become a terrorists takes very long period of time and what causes them to be come terrorists is clear. Injustices , Invasion, racism, Like the Israelis terrorists who kill every day innocents in Gaza and demolishing their houses.

The Hitler has caused damaged to israelis that is why they became terrorists and now Palestinian are paying what European did to them. And to groups like these alquida- the cause is US invasions and killing of innocents and going everywhere and bombing them for a few litter of oils.

Both actions are against Islam and the suicide bombers and invaders would both burn in the hell fires for ever for killing the innocents Christians or Muslims.
23:56 April 9, 2011 by truthworthy
so called Moderate Muslims are a joke just like extremists.

A true Muslim lives by the standards of Islam and saves life as God made human life sacred. Those who claim to be Muslims but murder people are a joke. Those who claim to be Muslims but do the opposite things such as drinking, etc are a joke.

It is funny how the western media just focuses on these two minority groups and avoids shedding light on the majority of other Muslims who are just regular people following their life according to Islam.
01:41 April 10, 2011 by Essjay
Well another bomb goes off in Omagh killing a Policeman ,AL-Queada not involved ,in fact nothing to do with hardline Muslim extremists !

Must be the fault of those liberal ,wishy washy socialist Governments of the UK allowing peace instead of eradication !

Damn home grown terrorists !

Get rid of this terrorist organization , the Real IRA ,wipe it out including US funded sympathizer,s

Sorry not possible let the carnage continue !

Must not upset the Americans !
02:48 April 10, 2011 by fishpicks
that's the thing, truthworthy.

if anyone were to TRULY live their lives according to islam then they would be nothing less than the extremists condoning the murders of innocent people. islam is a religion and ideology that is far from peaceful.

i don't believe anyone is born evil. nor is everything black or white even though, as humans, we do love to paint things in those colors.

the "moderate muslim" on the other hand is a person that rejects parts (sometimes a lot, sometimes even denying parts) of the religion, just like many christians do in western countries. these are the common people; the good people, the people that won't blindly follow. these are the ones that have the power to alter their religion into something that, at the moment, it is not.

the big question is: are there enough of them?
09:39 April 10, 2011 by truthworthy
@fishpicks, you define the so called moderate Muslims precisely good but fortunately is not enough and that is good i believe. Because if one rejects parts of the teachings of Islam he/she is not Muslim. What we need to reject is extreme ideologies and barbaric cultures such as honor killing, female genital mutation, that have no place in Islam.

I am sorry to disappoint you but there will never be enough of the people you defined except few who run after western money or fame. But the good news is, you will also not have much of extremists. that is why I am just saying, between these two groups there is a choice, the bigger choice, the rest and the majority of Muslims. that reject terrorism while following teachings of Islam.

If you are hopping more of Ayan Hersi and likes. you are having a wrong image of Muslims. those will never help the west.
10:34 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy
Next headline: "Stockholm suicide bomber was weraing red clothes in contrary to previously assumed blue clothes!!"

So every other month we have something about this incident so that our XYZ-phobic, racist panls who are good at commenting in thelocal.se can spread their hatred!! Well done!!

I personally think these hatemonegers like those commented here should be allowed to express their racism and hatred so that their hatred is releaved so there is less chance that they pick up a gun and kill random foreigner!!
10:39 April 10, 2011 by notpresto
Premature detonation despite years of planning bound to happen with hot swedish women around
10:45 April 10, 2011 by helveeta
It's going to take a successful bomber -- and it WILL happen -- to finally wake up the government and Swedish people. There will be innocent lives lost perhaps even children. I just hope it isn't mine....
11:12 April 10, 2011 by truthworthy
It seems like the racists are praying for another attack to justify their hatred and broaden their political base. Can one rule out if they may plan this themselves?
12:11 April 10, 2011 by wenddiver
Nice to see the ussual characters are up calling Sweden racist, because it doesn't want their ilk blowing up it' citizens. Get'em SAPO and send them back to the Viper's nest they came from. Any one advocating for the terrorists or making excuses for themwhle living in Sweden, richly deserves a traitors reward.

Now is the time for everybody to support their Military and Police as they clean out these Vipers that have been let in to kill.

Sweden and the West will not be submitted by these vermin. Peace and Freedom will win in the end.
13:38 April 10, 2011 by Swedesmith
Why are you guys always picking on those poor, little terrorists. Whine whine. Buncha racists.
14:28 April 10, 2011 by DamnImmigrant
I am just glad that they are finally admitting he did not act alone. That said...

Boyfriend, Iraniboy and truthworthy - There is nothing RACIST in any posted comment here other than your own comments. Commenting about islamic imigrants coming to Sweden and blowing themselves up in the name of their religion is NOT RACIST because islam is NOT a race.

@muscle - "...many people who blow themselves up, do not go for it because they love it or have some belief about killing. Many of them are pressurized by influentials who might have made hostage their family members or loved ones...but it happens for real ok...try to get hold of people who are behind it..."

Yes muscle, it is possible that some of these people are forced to participate but this is the exception and not the rule.

I believe you are wrong about what motives these islamic people because they ARE doing this because they DO IN FACT "have some belief about killing". They are doing it in defense of their religion as taught to them by their "PROFIT muhammad". Your reasoning denies the power of islam in forming peoples extreme behavior. Yes these people are influenced but not by threat, rather they are influenced by ideology. Their religious leaders constantly espouse on how islam must be defended against ANY slight against islam. Then they are promised that they get to bypass a trip to hell and go straight to their martyr's heaven.

You cannot go after "people who commit these suicide bombings" because these people are already dead. You are correct that we should go after the people "behind it", unfortunately, it is the religion itself, and its religious leaders that are "behind it".

Boyfriend talks about how these people are created but he missed the point because he does not talk about how shiites kill sunni because sunnis are APOSTATES of islam, and likewise how sunnis kill shiites because shiites are APOSTATES of islam.

@fishpicks -"...if anyone were to TRULY live their lives according to islam then they would be nothing less than the extremists condoning the murders of innocent people. islam is a religion and ideology that is far from peaceful...i don't believe anyone is born evil...the "moderate muslim" on the other hand is a person that rejects parts...the good people, the people that won't blindly follow..."

Well said, and you are basically correct, but I need to let you know that INDEED there are some people who are BORN EVIL. It is a problem with their wiring. Then there are the people who are PARTIALLY wired wrong and they can be easily turned to the "dark side" and then there are the vast majority who are in fact "good" people. There is a strong Cognitive Dissonance within islam which creates this dichotomy between "moderate islam" and islam itself - I have written about this in other posts so I won't get into it here.

The real problem is that human beings are by their very nature MORAL (good) beings. These "moderates" can be seen as people who grow up in a culture that forces them to believe in islam (or face being branded an APOSTATE) but who in fact cannot believe because their "profit" muhammad was HIMSELF EXTREMELY IMMORAL.

@truthworthy - "so called Moderate Muslims are a joke just like extremists. A true Muslim lives by the standards of Islam...Those who claim to be Muslims...if one rejects parts of the teachings of Islam he/she is not Muslim. What we need to reject is extreme ideologies and barbaric cultures...that reject terrorism while following teachings of Islam..."

A "true" follower of islam is one who not only follows the koran without reason but who also strives to emulate their most revered PROFIT muhammad.

truthworthy, how can you NOT KNOW that your PROFIT was by his own words, a terrorist, and he was proud of it because he was fighting "god's war"? How can you claim that islam respects life when in fact your "PROFIT" muhammad murdered people, raped women, tortured people, robbed and plundered, enslaved people, assassinated people and demonstrated other behaviors that we in the modern Western society would consider extremely deviant? Yet in islam, he is worshiped as the PERFECT EXAMPLE of the PERFECT MAN?

And please do not try the "he did not do those things" routine. I appreciate the fact that you need to believe islam is a good religion but if you emulate your profit - you must logically become a ...
14:54 April 10, 2011 by truthworthy
@DamnImmigrant. Your bigotry deserves no reply.
14:58 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy
Hopefull Säpo can recognise these dangerous UK/US immigrants who come and spread their hatred in thelocal.se forum and expell them back to where they come from. Embrace the Swedish culture of liberalism or leave to the same place that your hatred was accceptable!
17:38 April 10, 2011 by DamnImmigrant
truthworthy, you are not being very truthworthy today. First you abuse the word racist and now you abuse the word bigot.

My profile should introduce you to the fact that I can be neither racist nor bigoted. These web pages lists 24 attributes of a self-Transcendence person:


http://www.maslow.org/sub/TheoryZ.php - (longer version)

So now you can see that as a self-Transcendence person, I am NOT a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, opinion, ideas, religion, politics, or race. In other words, not a bigot.

I am intolerant of human suffering that is caused by creed, belief, opinion, ideas, religion, politics, or race and therefore will continue to speak out against such.

As point #3 in the list points out, I "perceive unitively or sacrally", the unity and sacredness in all things. This unitiveness goes with #7 because indeed I see "Mankind is one and the cosmos is one, and such concepts as the "national interest" or "the religion of my Fathers" or "different grades of people" or of "IQ" either cease to exist or are easily transcended". Culture, competitiveness and superiority are now no longer a concern. But as is pointed out in #12, I am prone to a kind of "cosmic sadness over the stupidity of people, their self-defeat, their blindness, their cruelty to each other, their shortsightedness…" but it is the "price these people have to pay for their direct seeing of the beauty of world, the saintly possibilities in human nature, of the non-necessity of so much of human evil, or the seemingly obvious necessities for a good world".

So trustworthy, what is it I said that is bigoted? How have I spread fear or hatred? I am stating FACTS about the origins of your religion and your "PROFIT" and YOU are perceiving it as being hateful. You state to me that "Your bigotry deserves no reply" or is it that you cannot find a reply? Is this the first time you have heard of the depraved behavior of your "profit"?

I have no problem with people worshiping ANYTHING as long as they do it from their own free will and with full knowledge of why. I do not see this is possible with islam. I simply asked how you can claim islam is a non-violent religion when its founder was so violently depraved?

“The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.” - James A. Garfield
18:13 April 10, 2011 by tomas R

STOP terrorism!!! I am for peaceful WORLD!

Tomas (Lithuania)
18:45 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy

Racism and bigotry stems from the act of grouping. For the racists and bigots, they find one person who belongs to a race or a group and they try to prosecute the entire group based on what they observe from that example. This method is tacky! I wonder what you feel if I conclude that western are rapists simply because some of US soldiers were raping in Iraq or if I saw westerners raper their daughters simply due to some incidents in Austria,... This approach is only act of bigotery, and hatemongering. This is fact! Instead of embracing your hatred, try to control it!
18:59 April 10, 2011 by TheOneWhoTravels
And people wonder why it's WRONG to let any Muslims into Sweden. Open up your eyeballs!
19:25 April 10, 2011 by technoviking
There may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.

Some may choose moderation, but it is an extremist ideology in every sense if followed as demanded by the koran/hadith.

Read for yourself.
19:25 April 10, 2011 by Uncle

"This approach is only act of bigotery, and hatemongering. This is fact! Instead of embracing your hatred, try to control it!"

What do you want people to do? To judge a group by a group behaviour? Look at muslim countries. For real.

There are more signs of the ultimate evil in this religion than in every single suicide bomber. How many times do the people here have to give examples of lynches by a mob, of laws that protect enslaving women and girls, physically eliminate minorities?

How many times does one have to go from a micro (suicide bomber) to a macro (terrorist organisations that TARGET civilians, support of violence everywhere islam sets a foot, dictators that burn with napalm and poison with chemical weapons their own people, expulsion and elimination of other religion members, honor killings, poverty and hatred of the muslims towards each other... etc.)

Do you REALLY think that all of this opposition to the "wonderful" things that muslims bring to Europe, is not based on actions of one person, but the view of the entire muslim world? Just LOOK at this world from a side for a goddamn second. LOOK.
19:57 April 10, 2011 by Nemesis
@ Essjay,

The only country still funding the Real IRA is Sweden. See http://www.irlandinformation.se/

Also it has come out in Northern Ireland that the Real IRA are getting some of there weapons from Bosnian muslims and contacts they have made in Islamic extrmist groups in the Middle East

Money for terrorism from the USA stopped almost dead after 911. I think it kind of woke a few of them up and made them realise what they were funding. It will probably take a similar massacre to stop funding from Sweden.
20:08 April 10, 2011 by mkvgtired

"Hopefull Säpo can recognise these dangerous UK/US immigrants who come and spread their hatred in thelocal.se forum"

Just a guess, but most people would prefer "hatred on forums" to a barrage of ball bearings through their entire family. I guess they can always refer to Islamic forums on the West if they really want to read about peace and cultural understanding.
20:17 April 10, 2011 by wxman
"Embrace the Swedish culture of liberalism or leave to the same place that your hatred was accceptable!"

Damned good advice; I suggest you follow it.
21:18 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy

Well uncle I have seen more cases of rape and deliberate killing of innocent people by western soldiers in Iraq alone than all Islamic terroristm in westenr countries, yet my ethical values don't allow me to say all westerners have perverted ideology of rape and murder. Unless you put yourself in other groups you are attacking, you won't realize how bad this generalisation ad and grouping is.


Thanks! I'd love to! At least we agree on one thing!


Well, me too. That's why I said the other day that it is good that thelocal.se forum is open for racists and bigots to express their hatred rather than taking a gun and killing random foreigners! The problem is we often see a misery when it is for us and we ignroe when it for others!
21:44 April 10, 2011 by helveeta
Trust me Truthworthy, I do NOT want people to die from a bombing!!!! You are disgusting to even hint at this! The reason we are so upset is because it's a fact that Sweden has become more violent since the influx of immigrants. A GODDAMNED ATTEMPTED BOMBING HAS HAPPENED AND GUESS WHAT? AN IMMIGRANT WAS RESPONSIBLE! This would NEVER have happened if this man wasn't allowed to come live here.

I wish I could find you I would turn you in!!
22:55 April 10, 2011 by technoviking
@ iraniboy

There is no proof "mass rapes" going on by soldiers in Iraq. There have been two instances. Mahmudiyah and Abu Ghraib (by a Muslim interpreter).

This is just more Islamist propaganda. And perfect fuel for your ongoing excuse making for terrorists.

You are an Islamist shill.

Any lie you can concoct to hide the truth is fair game to you. Muslims inventing the computer chip, Holocaust denials, droves of Western women converting to Islam, etc...

You are mouthpiece for terrorist propaganda and continue to make our case for measures to be taken to stop the spread of your evil. Thank you.
00:19 April 11, 2011 by Uncle

REALLY? You have seen MORE cases of rape and deliberate killing if civilians? Really, iraniboy? When you say it, do you blush and sweat a bit in your palms, because you should. How many case of DELIBERATE killing of civilians have you seen in Iraq? Mmm? Start counting I am thrilled with anticipation.

How many cases did soldiers deliberately shoot at a school bus, like your Hamas buddies do? How many planes did they take down? How many stabbings of 3 months old babies? Don't get me started even. I do not even want to start a rant about Iran-Iraq war, or Darfur or Chad or Somalia or Kurdistan or Kashmir or beheading of the same race people as the ones muslims are angry on, or hostage taking, or infidel burning, where your peaceful nature "except few bad apples" - is coming out in full force on governmental/society level.

WHICH muslim country contributed something to someone, except the fact of spreading, colonizing, causing poverty, enslaving and forcing into obedience? You are so proud because of your relative advances one thousand years a go. You know why? Because since then, there were no advances, but only regression into the jungle law in your peaceful world of Islam.

You had no Renaissance (because there was nothing to get reborn into).

You had no industrial revolutions. You can get Nobel prizes only if you oppose your own governments.

1,5 billion cannot even invent a car or a freaking electronic chip! Your religion drowns everyone in blood, mud and poverty. Even if Allah sends you oil (which you would have no idea how to use without the west, as you still don't know how to use your sand for silicon), you use it to sponsor death and brainwashing of your own people, as recent events of exploding tired arab world prove. The only 2 things that you can offer as government is islamic dictators or socialist dictators. Great choice.

You have NOTHING.
01:36 April 11, 2011 by ajs42548
@ truthworthy

@DamnImmigrant. Your bigotry deserves no reply....

Why is it that when you have no answer, you call people bigots? What part of DamnImmigant was false? Everything he said was true. Ergo, he can't be a bigot.
01:42 April 11, 2011 by Da Goat
I just loved the logic of Muscles first comment .

it is reasonably hard to get your hands on a suicide bomber as you often don't know who they are and after the flash and boom sound the bits are harder to find, so yes it is better to grab the plotters and support system at least you can get your hands on them!
02:02 April 11, 2011 by DamnImmigrant
RACISM is about RACE! When talking about religion you can use words like bigotry, sectarianism, prejudice, intolerance and even discrimination but not racism.

@Iraniboy - "Racism and bigotry stems from...they find one person...prosecute the entire group based on...I wonder what you feel if I conclude...US soldiers were raping in Iraq or if...act of bigotery, and hatemongering ..."

Iraniboy, I appreciate the fact that English is not your primary language BUT you need to understand that RACISM is about RACE! You cannot use the word to refer to RELIGIOUS prejudice or discrimination! I know people want to MISUSE this word because calling someone a RACIST has a much greater impact than calling someone PREJUDICED.

Iraniboy, if you came to me with your conclusions of US soldiers rape or Austrian incest, I would feel "nothing special." (#3 on the self-Transcendence web sites I mentioned.) I would be concerned how you developed these prejudices and we would have a dialog. Since I know from experience that the US military does NOT allow rape, I would need to know from you why you think it does.

One definition of "prejudice" is opinion or judgment that is FORMED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OR EXAMINATION OF THE FACTS. My opinions of islam were formed after I searched for knowledge and examined the facts. So when it comes to islam, I am not prejudiced and as I pointed out previously, I can not be bigoted. My focus comes from reason and rationality. I believe it is a justified criticism and is not based on an IRRATIONAL dislike of islam.

Iraniboy, I asked trustworthy, what is it I said that is bigoted? I would like to know how I have spread fear or hatred? It is not in my nature to do so. I am stating FACTS about the origins of your religion and your "PROFIT" and I believe it is actually YOU who is perceiving it as being hateful. It is you who has accused me of such terrible things - why do you think so?

I suspect that the reason trustworthy would not tell me is that what I wrote, is in fact not hate-mongering. I simply discussed what I found about your "profit" muhammad and the origins of the islamic religion. I think though that the real answer is that ANY criticism of islam is seen by its adherents as being bigoted, sectarian, prejudiced, intolerant and even discriminatory.
08:42 April 11, 2011 by wenddiver
@Nemisis- Support for the IRA was concentrated around Bouston and Chicago. Neither City seemed to realize the Marxist connections of the IRA to the Palestinian Terrorists and the Baeder-Meinhoff Gang in Germany or the Red Army Faction in Japan. Several movies like Munich held bring this to light, weakening support and 911 has made Terrorists one of the lowest forms of vermin on the planet. The United States has a huge population from Ireland. The Southern half of the US is predominantly Protestant Scotts-Irish, so you really can't identify the whole country with the IRA.

Terrorists are Terrorists and anyside using them is not mature enough to be a nation. Best to just hunt them down like rats.
14:01 April 11, 2011 by Nemesis
@ wenddiver,

Getting your information from movies made for USA audiences is how to ensure you are misinformed.

The money came from all over the USA from all sorts of groups. The UVF and UDA got most of there funding from the prodestants in the south of the USA. The IRA was mostly funded by catholics from the north of USA.

It is the same thing by both sides. Funding of terrorism by people who get a kick out of pointless bloodshed.
15:05 April 11, 2011 by jbat
Nemesis.. if you want to know.. those the so called terrorist from Afghans, they are originally USA boys... Without USA, those group never exists...

Now USA plan to make Libya rebel group as their new boys (I as a muslim never agree with this..but what can I do to stop this world power and american people from supporting it?)... as long as they will get oil and later they can blame this group or its counterpart group as terrorist (so they get oil.. another war with another group of terrorist, more weapon business, power etc etc etc... everything bad? blame this terrorist group and theirs religion)....

so can you see the real evil godfather from all these chaos all over the world?
15:20 April 11, 2011 by jbat

2. racist - discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion


racism : 2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief


*** check out the word belief!

Anyway.. are you Swedish? if not.. why you cursing yourself by using that damn nick? since you are also immigrant if you are not Swedish.. or you don´t know this fact?
17:20 April 11, 2011 by technoviking
@ jbat

You are yet another terrorist apologist.

Does the US make Muslims behead human rights workers?

Does the US make Muslims try to kill shoppers on Drottniggatan?

Does the US force you to blow up churches in Egypt?

Please enlighten us.
18:14 April 11, 2011 by DamnImmigrant
RACISM is about RACE! When talking about religion you can use words like bigotry, sectarianism, prejudice, intolerance and even discrimination.

@jbat - "...w.thefreedictionary.com/racist...towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief...check out the word belief!...are you Swedish...why you cursing yourself by using that damn nick..."

jbat, be careful were you get your Internet source information from. It is FAR too easy for anyone to print anything on the Internet and be quoted as authentic. I must say that you seem to have found one (and only) reference to religion and racist. Unfortunately it came from the thefreedictionary.com. Although this might be a good starting point for doing an Internet search, (like using wikipedia) I would not use it as a definitive source. Based on the definitions I get from the following 3 authentic sources, I would say that thefreedictionary has got it wrong.

Oxford Dictionaries:

--the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race , especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

--prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:a programme to combat racism

American Heritage Dictionary:

--The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

--Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


--a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

--racial prejudice or discrimination

REGARDING YOUR second link and your interpretation of it ("the word belief"), I am not sure of your English skills nor your personal motivations BUT -- you have incorrectly read the sentence of the definition you were quoting.

First thing to notice is that thefreedictionary does NOT reference the word "religion" in its definition of racism:

1. (Sociology) "THE BELIEF" that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others

2. (Sociology) abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the "BASIS OF SUCH A BELIEF"

jbat, a persons motivation can influence what they see. You have read the second definition as either "basis of belief" or "basis such as belief", both of which would indicate any belief such as religion. Unfortunately this is NOT what it says.

It says "basis of SUCH a belief" referencing "members of another race" and also referencing the first part of the definition #1 "The BELIEF that races".

Like I said, I do not know your motivation -- it could be you want the word racism to include religion OR it could be that you are dyslexic like me and are constantly reading things incorrectly.

As to your second question, if you are trying to understand my motivations, trying to understand what a self-Transcendent person is, should answer most of your questions. That said, I hold 2 passports, neither of which hold any identity for me.

I AM the "djävla invandrare" (too hard to write) also known as "sabla invandrare" (not in common usage) and so I Americanized it to DamnImmigrant.

I know what I am, so words have little affect on me. I must say that "djävla invandrare" is a nice icebreaker. Next time you are introduced to a Swedish person in a social setting, and you are shaking their hand and giving your name, add the phrase "djävla invandrare". They will laugh, and it really helps break through the barrier.
18:19 April 11, 2011 by mkvgtired
Nemesis, as usual, please provide data supporting this. I realize you are still trying to cope with the fact that you "enlightened" Europeans could not kick the "lets pointlessly kill each other" kick, even so recently. Please try to substantiate what you say. I realize there was support from some people in the US, but the largest supporter was Libya and Gadaffi, as well as others in the ME and Europe. But then again why would you blame Gadaffi? Europe has been giving him reach arounds for years so he would keep the oil pipeline flowing.

Jbat, Actually France and the UK made these rebels "their boys" before the US was involved. Also Libya's oil goes to Europe not the US. Please finish the most remedial education and then try researching the subjects you talk about, or at least put on your tin foil hat.
09:35 April 12, 2011 by wenddiver
@Nemis- I don't know of any civilian funding from the US of the UVF or the UDA. Would be interested in any links you can provide on that. That said, the regular Forces of Great Britain have never been refused anything by the US Military to my knowledge and that goes double for the SAS or MI-6. Some civilians may have lent support to the IRA, but as a Government the US support for her Majesty's government has been overwhelming in comparison. It's no accident that the SAS ran around with US made Armalite Assault Rifles for so long. Most of Qadaffi's funding, the IRA, RED Army Faction, PLO, Baeder-Meinhoff Gang and ETNA all came from the former States of the Communist Block and they were fronts for the former Soviet Union. The DDR's STASI seemed to specialise in this terrorist on civilian garbage and that's why the US, Great Britain and the Israeli's went after them with such a vengance. Live by the Sword, die by the Sword was the way Reagan expressed it to Thatcher, I believe and I am sure that the leadership of the STASI wish they had never went there.
13:25 April 12, 2011 by jbat
technoviking.. haha.. its easy to accuse someone else as terrorist or whatsoever.. just like your government!

I can easily answer your question... by this question...

But first... Which country create that evil fake muslim Osama Laden shhitttooo!??

if not USA...

Now your country want and proudly support Libya rebel group?

If Osama that evil laden is a mistake.. why do it again and again? The answer is OIL and US don´t really care what will happen next to this group.. US should not doing that as they should know the danger of giving weapons and military training to uneducated people there...

You talked about this..

Does the US force you to blow up churches in Egypt?

HOHOHOO (like Santa voice :-) )

Don´t you know many muslims being killed by US army in Afghans and Iraq ? How many house have been blown by US army there.. and they do this just to kill/catch few suspected local army that fight US for their own land?...

Does the US make Muslims behead human rights workers?

Do you know how many Muslims agree with what this people who claim to be Muslim do? Do you think I as a Muslim agree with this cruel act? Do you think I as a Muslim will not stop them if I can? Shitttooo man..

Does the US make Muslims try to kill shoppers on Drottniggatan?

Again.. Same answer... Do you know how many Muslims agree with what this people who claim to be Muslim do? Do you think I as a Muslim agree with this cruel act? Do you think I as a Muslim will not stop them if I can? Shitttooo man..

If one or few muslims do this stupid things.. why should you blame all muslims? This is not an act from one government that represent the entire nation like USA man! Just few crazy muslims that we ordinary muslim never know or meet them in our life...

P/S : nowadays its very very easy for american to claim someone is terrorist .. if you don´t agree with what US government do and you speak about it.. then you are terrorist huhhh?

DamnImmigrant.. you still don´answer my question.. are Swedes? and if not.. why you hate yourself? are you stupid but try to act like intelligent person.. LOL...

1 word can have many meaning.. and its up to you to pick which one you like...

PLUS...this is what happen... if you hate one religion.. then you automatically hate specific race that belief on that religion (arab muslim, arab sunni, syiah, chinese muslim, japanese muslims.. all these race attached to the religion you hate).. so don´t talk like shitttooo.. swing here .. swing there... to make your words look like true... most people agree with this.. yes the direct meaning or racist mean toward race.. but racist also can be toward people base on their religious belief....

P/S2 : DamnImmigrant.. again.. you don´t even know the meaning of simple word immigrant.. then you want to talk about more complicated word like racist and racism??? LOL.....
13:44 April 12, 2011 by jbat
mkvgtired.. France and UK dont support Libya rebel directly...

But US do or will do (and I hope not)...

Check out this news : http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/...msg_share_topic

maybe a stupid question..maybe not... : Why don´t US and others just try to attack and kill that Gaddafi secretly directly... no need to support that rebel group or attack that country etc etc that will result destroying the country and will create more and more terrorists...

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday. Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to four U.S. government sources familiar with the matter. Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment. News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces."
21:02 April 12, 2011 by DamnImmigrant
@jbat - "...If one or few muslims do this stupid things.. why should you blame all muslims..."

jbat, I do in fact judge the actions of all of islam based on the actions of just ONE person. Your "PROFIT" muhammad who is worshiped by its followers as the PERFECT EXAMPLE of the PERFECT MAN. This PERFECT man (god's messenger?) murdered people, raped women, tortured people, cut off his enemies heads, robbed and plundered, enslaved people, assassinated people and demonstrated other behaviors that we in the modern Western society would consider extremely deviant. These are facts. So when his followers behave in these manners, yes, it is the religion.

@jbat - "DamnImmigrant.. you still don´answer my question...why you hate yourself? are you stupid...1 word can have many meaning...and its up to you to pick which one you like..."

jbat, I have answered your question but your hatred and fear do not allow you to see it (hint: neither of which hold any identity for me). I can in fact see your hatred and fear and you probably feel stupid too because you are projecting your feelings at me ("you hate yourself","are you stupid"). I have given a lot of information about myself in the many posts over the years. Just click on my name and choose "View Member Profile", still not enough info then click "Find Members Posts". I doubt you will be able to understand much about me but it is there just the same.

Now this is important so pay close attention. YES, one word can have many meanings BUT the dictionary will list ALL of those meanings. You do not just make up a meaning and claim it is one of the true meanings of the word. If its usage is NOT in the dictionary then you are using the word incorrectly. There are probably English classes near you that will help you better understand the dictionary and word usage.

If a word has more than one meaning and you do not know which is being used, you need to ask the other person HOW they are using that word.

@jbat - "...if you hate one religion.. then you automatically hate specific race that belief on that religion...to make your words look like true...most people agree with this... yes the direct meaning or racist mean toward race.. but racist also can be toward people base on their religious belief...

jbat, I now see where you are coming from and I have to say that I am saddened by this tiny little hateful world you seem to be living in. Sorry to say but you are WRONG when you say "most people agree with this" because in fact, I have never heard of this before. If you truly believe this automatic race hate, then this shows me that this is in fact how YOU YOURSELF think and see the world. Do you really hate everything that is not islamic?

I do not need to make my words look true, for the most part they are true. If I am wrong I would like to know about it because that is how I learn.
01:53 April 13, 2011 by wenddiver
@Damned-Immigrant- Better check on JBAT he hasn't responded for awhile, he may have been hit by a missile from a Predator Drone or be traveling to Gitmo inside of a box marked Do not Open-Dangerous Animals or Diaper Experiment in a Swedish Freighter as part of our Extreme Rendition Program.
22:33 April 14, 2011 by technoviking
Jbat's handlers advised him to abandon this thread...
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