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Sweden 'indebted' to the Baltic states: Reinfeldt

AFP/The Local · 16 Aug 2011, 07:39

Published: 16 Aug 2011 07:39 GMT+02:00

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During a ceremony in Stockholm attended by the prime ministers of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, Reinfeldt spoke of "a dark moment" in his country's


"Sweden was among the first countries to recognise the Soviet occupation of

the Baltic countries" in 1944, he said at a celebration marking the 20th anniversary of the three countries' independence.

In 1945, Stockholm extradited to the Soviet Union around 170 soldiers from the Baltic countries who had fled the Red Army and found refuge in Sweden.

"The extradition of the Balts is a dark moment in Swedish foreign policy," Reinfeldt said.

He said that Sweden had long ignored its Baltic neighbours and urged for post-independence relations to continue strengthening.

"For decades, Sweden did not acknowledge Baltic suffering," the conservative prime minister said.

"I hold in my hand a Swedish school book used during the 1980s. It makes no mention at all of the destiny of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania after the Second World War. Not one word," Reinfeldt said.

"In fact, it is hard to find any reference to the fact that there had ever

been any Baltic countries. This was the reality when I went to school," the 46-year-old leader said.

"Sweden has a debt of honour to the people of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. We owe it to ourselves - and we owe it to the Baltic peoples -to remember the past, but also to build a common future," he added.

Latvia's Valdis Dombrovskis, Lithuania's Andrius Kubilius and Estonia's Andrus Ansip thanked Sweden for the assistance it has given their states since independence.

Reinfeldt's speech drew mixed reactions among Balts in the crowd.

"It's easy for him to say that today because his party was not in power at the time," Lehte Slunge, who fled Estonia with her parents in 1944, told AFP.

Jaan Seim, the head of the Estonian school in Stockholm, argued that "realpolitik was what was guiding the Swedish authorities at the time."

"It was a small country that wanted to be neutral and had a huge neighbour to the east that posed a huge threat."

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"I was more disappointed by the fact that, in the 1970s and 1980s, Baltic nations simply no longer existed in the Swedish psyche. For them it was the Soviet Union and nothing more," said Seim, a Swedish-born Estonian.

Monday's ceremony was held at a Stockholm square where dozens of meetings

known as the "Monday meetings" were held in 1990 and 1991 to support the Baltics' efforts to regain independence.

The three states organised a human chain in 1989 in which two million people joined hands, linking the Baltic capitals, against Soviet rule.

The landmark protest started a sequence that eventually led to the three

nations' independence by 1991.

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10:47 August 16, 2011 by Nemesis
A debt of honour is not how I would put it.

Sweden sent Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian and Polish people to the Soviet Union after World War 2 in full knowledge that those who would not be executed, would be put in concentration camps in Siberia to rot.

That was conspiracy to murder and incarcerate without trial.

The fact that the fact of the Baltic countires was left out of history books is particularly disturbing. Sweden used to rule Estonia and Finland as well as large parts of what is now Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belorussia, Poland and Germany when it had its Swedish Empire. That Swedish Empire used to regulary make war on a regular basis and burn entire cities to the ground, all over what is now the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, Ukraine, Belorussia, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. That empire was borken up during the Napoleonic wars.

I would suggest that someone at the local phones up the local Latvian, Estonian or Lithuanian associations regarding the figures for those deported to be killed, instead of getting facts from the perpetrators of crimes, unless the local thinks such crimes are not an issue worth bothering about.

A suggestion to the people at the local. Buy a history book not written by a Swedish historical revisionist and actually read it.
10:56 August 16, 2011 by Kstock
It is easy for us to sit back and say why did the Swedish government at that time act the way they did. But you must remember the climate at that time, the fear of being swallowed by communism was rampant. My Grandmother immigrated to Sweden from Latvia during that time and lived in Sweden for over 8 years in Sweden, but she told me that even though they were in a "safe" country she still felt the fear of the Communists, who would even come knock on her and other Baltic immigrants doors at all times of the day asking for them to come back, or else. It did not help either when the police were notified, nothing was done. This fear and lack of action made her and other immigrate even further to America. The Communists had a very strong hold on the region and I'm sure many back door deals were made. Just saying.
11:04 August 16, 2011 by Liefje
to Nemesis

I am sorry to corect you, Sweden has NEVER ruled any part of Lithuania.

Lithuanians beated the Swedes in North!
12:18 August 16, 2011 by Nemesis
@ Liefje


Vilnius was looted and more or less mostly burned to the ground, during the Great Northern War of 1700 to 1721. Large tracts of Lithuania were held by Swedish forces during that time. During that period, Lithuanians were treated terribly by the Swedish occupying forces.

@ Kstock,

Those knocks on the door continued right up to the fall of the Iron Curtain. Most of the people doing that were ethnic Swedes who travelled regularly to the former East Germany on a regular basis. Most of those people are now members of Vänsterpartiet and Social Democrats.

PS: I forgot to mention.

The Vänsterpartiet of Sweden, supported the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. In that pact Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Finland and Eastern Poland were promised to the Soviet Union, but the Finns fought of the Soviets. The Vänsterpartiet called the Nazi invasion of Norway a "set-back for the British imperialism". The Social Democrats would refuse to allow anyone to even mention the Baltic States in the Rikstag until the fall of the Iron Curtain. That might give an idea of the prevalent type of thinking.
12:37 August 16, 2011 by Joahims
I am afraid, there is a journalist mistake here: ""...Soviet occupation of the Baltic countries" in 1944".

Soviet occupation of the Baltic states did not happen in 1944 (well, it was the repeated occupation or re-occupation if you like).

The actual, initial occupation of the three Baltic states by USSR took place in June 1940!

( You may start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_and_annexation_of_the_Baltic_states_by_the_Soviet_Union_(1940) )

If this was indeed a mistake of the reporter, it would be nice to correct it, as otherwise it is, in fact, a serious disinformation.
12:43 August 16, 2011 by Nemesis
@ Joahims


A lot of Swedes and people from other countries, find it convenient to forget about the initial Soviet invasion of the Baltic States in 1940. The allies actually drew borders along the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact lines, which was a tantamount recognition of an illegal treaty by Hitler. No one comes out of that one smelling of roses.
13:54 August 16, 2011 by RobinHood
It's 1945. A huge and rapacious neighbouring country, led by a psychopath, and with an unstoppable army larger than your entire population, has conquered and horribly repressed your neighbours, killing, raping and deporting hundreds of thousands of their citizens. You have no idea of its intentions and ambitions towards you. They make demands - small demands - return a few refugees, keep quiet about certain annexations; the message is implicit - or else!

Seems a bit of a no-brainer to me. Sometimes, you've got to do what you've got to do. It's easy to be brave and wise after the event, but that's how it looked at the time.

Once things settled down later, the Social Democrats failure to support the Baltic states was disgusting; but par for the course for them.
16:23 August 16, 2011 by gmaddalo
Sweden acted cowardly and sent refugees back bound to die in Siberia, that's a fact. I hope that at least they don't teach anymore in schools that Sweden was neutral, how did the Nazi invade Norway? ;)
16:45 August 16, 2011 by jostein
Its amazing to me how sweden ends up being guilty for all the woes of the world. Without actually attacking anyone or killing anyone or persecuting anyone. Bah, what do i care, sweden is dead to me.
17:28 August 16, 2011 by nickknock
Ohh, Sweden slit their own Baltic Brother's throats when they extradited the to the Soviet Union.. Yikes..
19:28 August 16, 2011 by bells on the knight
how about all jews that sweden saved during ww2? no credit huh?
20:34 August 16, 2011 by balty
Thank you, Statsminister, for these words. For me as a Latvian in Riga, it means a lot. These must be the clearest words of support and recognition in a long time. We must look to the future and strengthen our region.

As for the Social Democrats, they should help build decent social democracy in the Baltics, so that the positive sides of the Nordic model could be tailored for the Baltics and introduced there.

Tackar och vi förenas alltid.
20:35 August 16, 2011 by Uncle
How are the Jews that Sweden saved related to the Soviet occupation of the baltic states? Or do we throw Jews in every topic, just to spice up things?

I heard that them Jews were also accepted by France when they were kicked out of Spain, isn't that something? Let us discuss that!

BTW, didn't Estonians and Latvians gladly join Waffen SS? They definitely own some debt to Germany, them little pretty Baltic people.
20:40 August 16, 2011 by Streja
Swedes and Sweden were very scared of the Soviet Union. They had good reason.

The extradition was shameful.
21:23 August 16, 2011 by balty
Uncle, Germany occupied the Baltic states and they treated the Balts even worse than their Germanic brothers Norwegians (even though the Balts never had anything similar to the Quisling govt, those very two very hostile occupations from both sides). The men were mobilized by force and those who joined had seen their relatives killed and terrorized by the Soviets a year before. You should be very happy not having had the Baltic people's destiny.

And Sweden had a reason to be scared because Stalin had plans to occupy Scandinavia too, as the USSR wanted to expand to the North as well. Some Russian Bolsheviks even call Oslo "Oslovsk".
22:10 August 16, 2011 by Kstock
@ Uncle

"them little pretty Baltic people" Thank you I will take that as a complement!
22:50 August 16, 2011 by jostein
Dead. Murdered.
06:59 August 17, 2011 by Uncle

Read about Waffen SS. It was constructed of eager volunteers. Read about what Waffen SS DID. Forced people usually do not perform in such way...

Besides isn't there Waffen SS parade every year in Estonia and Latvia? The poor forced slaves seem to enjoy displaying their chains in form of medals and pretty uniforms... mmmm.

I am SURE that the nazis forced estonians and latvians to report each and every jew in their area... not that estonians enjoyed it. There were 15 estonian Jews left after the war. FIFTEEN. Out of 4 and a half thousand.


Baltic people ARE good looking.
08:57 August 17, 2011 by Joahims
-> Uncle

You are rather ignorant about the Balts in the Waffen SS. That is, unless we assume that you are intentionally proliferating hate propaganda here.

First of all around 80% were forcefuly conscripted. It was admitted even by the Soviet intelligence at the time.

Some indeed joined willingly. Why? Because in 1940 (and not in 1944 as this article might make you think) USSR invaded and occupied all three Baltic states, killed the best and brightest of their people and carried away in railroad boxcars many thousands of citizens, including women and children to die in Soviet death camps. So men just joined the army to fight the destroyers of their countries and murderers of their families.

Yes, indeed, Latvian Legion (mostly Waffen SS soldiers) was the most decorated after the Germans themselves. Why? Because they fought for their country. So that the murderous Soviet Communist regime does not return.

And yes indeed. There are no "Waffen SS parades every year with medals and pretty uniforms" in Baltics. You are repeating Russian propaganda here. There are commemorations of the dead. In Riga people go from the nearby church and lay flowers at the monument to Freedom for their relatives killed in the war. Russians call this procession "the SS march". And some people, like you, like to re-transmit this propaganda.

You may pretty well be sure that it was Nazis who took care of the genocide of the Jews. Despite the Soviet/Russian propaganda efforts trying to depict Latvians as wiling and enthusiastic murders, so far their efforts manly have produced hot air propaganda lacking of facts. In fact Latvia was one of the few if not the only country which provided refuge to foreign Jews before the war broke out.

So, it is you who has to do some reading on the subject. Unless you are one of those friends of Russia who intentionally spreads their lies for political gain.
12:02 August 17, 2011 by Uncle
No, you are right of course....

SS Panzer groups also were defending their coutry and gestapo members were also patriots. Given the treatement of Germany after the First WW, there is no doubt that each and every Wermacht, Abwer and SS member thought that there is nothing wierd in their fighting for their coutry... It is just their methods that were a bit... mmmm non-conventional, so to say. And THEREFORE There was a Nurnberg process..

As for "forcefully conscripted" - why weren't Dutch so decorated in the nazi army? Why weren't Norwegians? Not Belorussians, not Ukranians? Not even romanians.. The enslaved balts did quite well for being forced...

Why Jewish survival stats in the Baltics was worse that the stats in Germany, Austria, Belgium, France and whatever? Even famous for their pogroms Ukranians did not do such a proper and clean job in presenting Jews in a gift wrapping to the nazis like balts did.

And if you like to remember your dead within the ranks of SS (something that is not done so publicly and loud in Germany itself), why, oh, why, can't your mourning ex-officers find a better outfit than the SS uniforms?

This is shown in every major network of the world and russian propaganda is a bit weak when infuencing the west...
15:29 August 17, 2011 by Joahims
-> Uncle

Baltic soldiers were fighting for their country against the Communist Red Army which HAD OCCUPIED THEIR COUNTRY in 1940 and killed their compatriots and family members. They were fighting AGAINST THE AGGRESSOR. Your comparison of them to the German units is absolutely misplaced and (intentionally) misleading.

Here it is important to know why there was Baltic Waffen SS in the first place. The answer is that Germans wanted to conscript people from the occupied territories, but international law forbids that. So they invented this so called "voluntary" membership in Waffen SS and begun conscripting people, sometimes at gunpoint.

It is so good that you mention Nuremberg process, as the Baltic soldiers were especially mentioned in the exception to the ruling regarding the Waffen SS where they were excluded from the condemnation.

Do you even know, that the former Baltic Waffen SS soldiers were guarding the Nuremberg Palace of Justice itself!? Are you aware of this fact? They also were guarding the prison with the top Nazis in it awaiting trial. Later they went on guarding USA Army headquarters in Germany.

US in 1950 declared "the Baltic Waffen SS Units (Baltic Legions) to be considered as separate and distinct in purpose, ideology, activities, and qualifications for membership from the German SS and not to be the enemies of the Western Allies.

Yes! Most of them were forcefully conscripted. I will repeat it to you - this was noted even by the Soviet intelligence during the war.

As of good fighting - the Balts were fighting the murderers of their families and trying to prevent their return. And the Latvians always had been good soldiers. Better than others. It is something to do with discipline and efficiency. As you may be unaware of the fact, I will tell you of the secret - the Iron Crosses were given for bravery at the battlefield.

As of your mumbling about killing Jews I will again repeat - before coming of Nazis Latvia was the most hospitable country for Jewish refugees. When the Nazis came, they launched killing local Jews as well as those who they brought in from the Western Europe. All your talks about that "gift wrapping" etc. is xenophobic hate speech and nothing else. You do not handle facts, you spit out venomous propaganda against the nations you dislike.

I especially "like" your sick fantasies about so called "ex-officers of SS" marching in the center of the EU country capital in SS uniforms. The "fact" that obviously is known only to you. Please drop us a link here to the "every major network of the world" which you talk about, so that we can go and see it ourselves.

You seem to be very emotionally involved in the subject, but you are either ignorant of the facts or are intentionally spreading anti-Baltic disinformation here in tune with Russian propaganda.
20:40 August 17, 2011 by Northshore
Hey correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Sweden neutral during World War 2?

So whatever they did to stay out of that mess, more power to them for their success in doing so. And whatever ax you want to grind for that donnybrook, lots of Europeans stayed out of it- The Irish, the Spanish, the Swiss- not to mention anywhere without Brits or Jews.. so the "World" aspect of your world war is as faded and dated as all your arguments. Take a nap,Grandpa. zzzzz
21:35 August 17, 2011 by Uncle
Yep, I am somewhat emotional, because them emotions are difficult to hide, when someone does not know how to excuse a nation for cooperating with the nazis and jumps from "we were fighting with an aggressor" to "we were forced to fight an aggressor".

Let's read about the forced poor little slaves...

I am sure that there is something good about serving under the great and wonderful Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler. who gave balts the opportunity to defend themselves from the USSR....

I am sure that Arajs Kommando was just a misunderstanding of naive patriots...

I am positive that Estnische SS-Freiwilligen-Brigade and Litauisches Polizei Regiment 1 were made soldiers by force..

The famous operations of Latvians like Rumbula massacre and Dünamünde Action only ADD to the glory and innocence of Latvian fighters. When Latvians (Selbstschutz) assisted at Liepaja, Ventspils, Daugavpils and Rezekne, they did not know what is going on eh?

I am totally positive that Eesti Omakaitse were acting against their own will, as were Estnische Sicherungsgruppe, Eesti julgestusgrupp and "Schuma".

I am positive that Ralf Gerrets, Ain-Ervin Mere, Jaan Viik, Juhan Jüriste, Karl Linnas, Aleksander Laak and Ervin Viks were drunk when they did whatever they did. You probably can also tell me that Schutzmannschaft Front Bataillon 36 Arensburg did not actually want to guard concentration camps...

No, no... everybody in the Baltic were as crystal and innocent as babies! Sorry for being so brainwashed by all of this russian propaganda...
22:46 August 17, 2011 by Joahims
-> Uncle

At first I thought that you might be just a Leftist geek unaware of facts, but now I am 100% positive that we are dealing with dedicated political agitator here.

You are playing out all the old good propaganda tricks one by one.

This particular one involves using crimes of Latvian auxiliary unit led by certain Konrāds Kalējs under SD command to smear the name of the Waffen SS Legion as such and all the soldiers who ever served in it.

The funny side of this is that these crimes have nothing to do with the Legion. Not at all WHATSOEVER. They even were committed (1941) several YEARS BEFORE Legion ever came to existence (1943).

You may argue, as you certainly will, that these criminals later were also included in the Legion. But, say, in the Red Army there were serving people conscripted from prisons. Which does not make Red Army as such responsible for any of the crimes committed by those individuals years before they ever became part of the Army. The same here.

As of "serving under Himler" - there were French and other nationals fighting Nazis under Stalin's command. How does that feel being a weapon of the bloodiest tyrant in history? How does that make you responsible for all those thousands of people, women, small children who perished in GULAG camps? .. Well, my point is that what you keep saying here basically is irrelevant hot air BS. One can go on like this for years without actually addressing the facts. It is demagogy. The Dr. Goebbels approach.

As of Russian propaganda - see here. Te history book mentioned in the article contains vacuum in regard of what happened in the Baltic states. And this vacuum was filled all this time by disinformation produced by Left leaning authors who were either politically biased or based their work on information from Soviet sources which practically always manipulated or just plainly invented the "facts". Modern Russia not only hasn't cut back on Soviet propaganda in this respect, it in fact has intensified it.

Still, tough luck for you, Comrade. You can silence the truth for a while by loudly shouting groundless accusations, but sooner or later the facts begin to stick out.

The fact remains - no Baltic Legion soldier has EVER been tried for ANY war crime committed in the Legion context. They were fighting the AGGRESSOR. After the war the were EXCLUDED from the ruling of the Nuremberg trials. They had never been Nazis or adherents of the Nazi ideology.They later even served the Western Allies, who, of course, knew who they are dealing with.

King of Sweden Carl XVI Gustaf received Baltic Legion soldiers in Stockholm in June 1994 and expressed his regret for their extradition to Soviets. Märta Margaretha af Ugglas, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Sweden did the same.

I have all the reasons to believe, that they are better aware of who they are dealing with, than you, Comrade. And they definitely are more sincere and honest.
00:05 August 18, 2011 by Uncle
Well, love. your emotions are definitely showing here... As for the left wing geek, I have a slight doubt that some on the Local may disagree with you. It was the first one... Cool

What is funny, is that I have no idea what Russian propaganda is pushing, but apparently you are a specialist in that. I say that Russians were definitely often worse than the Nazis... But, see, they were not SO efficient.

As for WHICH Latvians and Estonians eagerly assisted the nazis cleanse the country from the evil Jews and Gypsies is also interesting. So you are saying that after 1943 balts were not participating in the Holocaust? That is nice... Maybe because batlic countries were "Judenfrei" due to the good work prior to 1943? I don't know. So it was not Waffen SS, but Polizei who joined Waffen AFTER they were done with the Jews? Wow, that cleans the entire nation of suspicion. Amazing alibi!

That is a good and thorough work done. You definitely should be proud of the nation!

I also read in the (english WIkipedia) that the brave Legion soldiers escaped punishment by joining the foreign legion, eh? That definitely points at their innocence!

As for the work with the west, so was Otto von Bolschwing - little helper of Adolf Eichmann. Also nazi rocket scientist Arthur Rudolph was living happily in the US. In general, read about operation Paperclip, to start understanding that the western acceptance does not mean innocence...

As for the King, isn't his daddy in law was a member of a Nazi party? Wasn't his capital built on the assets of escaping/dead Jews? Mmm... That is one reliable fellow.

You see, just the fact that Waffen SS were denied benefits unlike, say Luftwaffe members, or the Kriegsmarine soldiers, shows that they were still quite worse than the regular Wermacht. And being worse than Wermacht - is not big of an achievement...

But I have a suspicion that convincing you in NOT being proud of your countries role in the WW2 is a bit ambitious.

It also a bit ridiculous for me to try and even give arguments to a person who is claiming that a country that had the best statistics in the world in Jew cleaning, as well as participated in concentration camps guarding and in forest executions, is not guilty of anything. A bit like trying to state the obvious to a stubborn kid.

EVERYONE - from Italians to Romanians and Bulgarians (leave alone the Germans) are historically ashamed and embarrassed. Everyone, but the balts. Just the fact of JOINING Nazis, who managed to set a world record of foreign civilian deaths, should be a reason to be silently ashamed. But not for Joahims...

Well, enjoy your national pride.
08:51 August 18, 2011 by burito
Swedes are chicken,they didnt help no balts,no finns.Even today afraid of everyone,even they own emigrants,po-po-poooo.....
12:06 August 18, 2011 by ollibolli
burito: And that's why they sent weapons, food and troops (certainly they were volunteers but still). And they also saved alot of jews from Hungary and other countries. Heard of Raol Wallenberg?

The finns would most likely had tried to stay neutral as well, hadn't the red army invaded. The finns fought against the russians with the nazis, not because they wanted to but because they had to.

Sweden prepared for war, but did their best to avoid it.
14:28 August 18, 2011 by smalanningen
The only thing that is important is that we have put WW2 and the cold war behind us and that we live in a new Europe. And that the current and the following generations wont do the same mistakes as our forefathers did.

Some of you nationalists up here should be ashamed of yourselves.
16:50 August 18, 2011 by Kstock
One Sunday morning, the Lutheran pastor noticed Sven staring up at a small plaque by the harbor. It was covered with names and two Latvian flag mounted on either side of it. The old Swede had been staring at the plaque for some time, so the pastor walked up, stood beside Sven, and said quietly, 'Good morning Sven.'

'Good morning Pastor,' he replied, still focused on the plaque. 'Pastor, what is this?' The pastor said, 'Well, it's a memorial to all the men and women who died in the service. Soberly, they just stood together, staring at the plaque.

Finally, Sven's voice, barely audible and trembling with fear

asked, 'which service, the 8:30 or the 10:45?
15:54 August 19, 2011 by Ron Pavellas
I was living with my parents in San Francisco at the time the Soviets stole the three Baltic nations. My dad often reminded me of this theft, although we have no ethnic or other family ties to any of them. More than a half century later am living in Stockholm and I have a reason to visit Tallinn, Estonia, mostly for pleasure. I visited the Tallinn Rotary Club and saw the large banner declaring in simple terms the club's history; that is, the dates of its existence. It told a story of freedom lost and freedom restored. I wish my dad could have been with me, but at least he was alive when the three countries declared their independence. Here is the link to an image of the banner I took: http://ronp.smugmug.com/Personal/Tallinn-Rotary-Club/18610248_v4jLxc#1438037324_3v8WrmK
07:51 August 20, 2011 by Joahims
-> Uncle

Relax, the Russian propaganda is pushing the same BS you are pushing here.

Look at yourself. I point out that you are falsifying things here: the Latvian Legion, consisting mainly of conscripts, can't be responsible for the crimes you talk about, as that was not even physically possible. The funniest thing is that you AGREE to me, but that does not make you to reverse your claims. You admit that you are wrong, but you STILL press on with the charges, although the only grounds is your eager will to blame Balts for everything.

Care to remember that the nations you hate so much were ruined in June 1940 as the Soviet tanks and NKVD killing squads crossed the borders into the Baltic states. A year later, Nazis came and leveled everything once again. The nations were torn apart and people scattered, the statehood ceased to exist, social structures were ruined. So when you speak of a guilt of the nation who do you EXACTLY are speaking about? Do you speak about those having Latvian for mother's tongue? That is some interesting criterion. If we accept it, then would you care, for example, to talk about "responsibility" of Jews for crimes of Communism and their role in mass murders by Soviet secret police? No? You would call it an Antisemitism. And you would be right. Just why you are cultivating an analog of Antisemitism in respect to the Balts here? You are promoting racist hatred here, do you realize that?

The Wikipedia fact of somebody joining the French Foreign Legion indeed proves that the Balts are nations of murderous bastards. :)

Indeed, the West acceptance does not mean innocence. Innocence is proven by being let go by the court. Exactly what happened at Nuremberg to the Baltic soldiers.

As if it would not be enough with the bloodsucking Nazi Latvians and Estonians, even the King of Sweden turns out to be damn blood drinking Nazi! :)

Then you again try to mix Baltic Waffen SS with the German units. But this is misleading, as they in fact were of very different origin and nature, as officially recognized by Allies.

You can't talk about role of my country in WW2 as my country ceased to exist in 1940 after the Soviet invasion and was restored only in 1991.

I of course know perfectly well, that there were criminal individuals, taking part in Nazi extermination activities. Only the big picture is not what you would like to portray it smearing the whole nation and people in no way related to them by the appalling things the few bastards did.

I would advise you to pay more attention to the facts and less to your delusions. The mongering of hatred, as you are doing here, may well pay off if you make it a business. But it sometimes becomes just a little bit too annoying, as it does not contain much of the common sense.


As of the "world record", the key word here is "foreign". The side setting the world record for deaths of own citizens of course smells better. :)
21:11 August 20, 2011 by Kstock

Very well said. I lived in Latvia for over 15 years as a "foreigner" and can say it is a piece loving, singing nation of beer drinker..and thinkers. Many there would like to forget the past and move on to a brighter future and are not focusing on what the "media" would like us to focus on. The hard knocks the Baltic people have had over the centuries have only made them stronger. Men like me who sit at our computer re-fighting battles will only build hatred.
09:11 August 23, 2011 by Joahims
-> Kstock

Thank you very much! I appreciate that! :)

The information war we are experiencing here in the Baltic states during the last 20 years is something many people in the West even do not have the slightest clue about. They think that the Cold War is "over". It is not over. Not at all. Especially since Putin came to run Russia. It only has become different.

There is an excellent book on the subject written by Finnish author Jukka Rislakki,

"The case for Latvia: disinformation campaigns against a small nation : fourteen hard questions and straight answers about a Baltic country". You can see parts of it on Google Books. One can hardly imagine what a massive disinformation campaign is being run by Russia full steam ahead for years. And all that leaks into the Western mass media and unsuspecting minds of the masses.

I also suggest reading "With the Baltic flag. Through Three Occupations" by Valentins Silamikelis for an insider's view of the extradition affair. He was amongst those Baltic soldiers handed over to the Soviets after the war.
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Pope to nail reconciliation agenda to Lutherans' door in southern Sweden.

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How to make no-knead sourdough bread like a Swede
No-knead sourdough bread. Photo: John Duxbury/Swedish Food

Swedes love their sourdough bread. Food writer John Duxbury shares his favourite Swedish recipe for a no-knead loaf.

Meet Sweden's lonely Donald Trump voter
A Donald Trump campaign button. Photo: Rogelio V Solis/AP

The Local talks to an American Donald Trump supporter on what it is like living in progressive stronghold Sweden.

Forgotten Ingmar Bergman script to be made into a film
It's thought the script was part of an ill-fated collaboration between Bergman (left) and Federico Fellini (right). Photo: AP

Written in 1969, the script is 'up to the standard of his best', according to the Ingmar Bergman Foundation.

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